and i always tell people, but being a lawyer is like being a voyeu rmp in other peoples' lives. you participate more, but you get to, in every case, you get to learn about how people or an industry or a government entity interacts in the world, what they do and what's important to them and to be able to enjoy that, you have to have curiosity. listening to others and their conversation was a way teaching myself things that i would not have otherwise learned. charlie: justice ginsburg, when did you fall in love with the law? >> people ask me, did you always or a supreme udge court justice? [laughter] >> when i think what life is 1940's,this city in the be a is apiring to judge, because there weren't any. and franklin roosevelt appointed e first woman to the first federal appellate court in 1936. he stepped down the year i graduated from law school and then there were none. etlerohnson appointed hufst and became the first secretary of education and then there were none again. so i didn't think about being a clinton becameil president. and looked around at the federal bench and said