and at that time, at the age of 55, he made his debut together, uh, with the voznesensky yevtushenka o the comparison is later than them. mm. even later than them, of course, in the late fifties. voznesensky began to publish and vtushenko read a successful article. article. she became an event to me and they talked, m-m corresponded, so they listened about it. well, in general, it is, yes it is. yes . indeed, it was so much more appreciated. actually, three things. uh, first of all, the so-called courage. that is to say, that the other still, for censorship editorial and other reasons, did not dare to say , for example, for the first time i quoted gumilyov, whom i then loved very much without naming him. she said that as one old poet said and then it was so fashionable. i remember the collection of the institute of slavic studies of protein studies, where in the note there are two wonderful co-speakers vyacheslavvich ivanov vladimir nikolaevich toporov, both deceased now, uh, gave a footnote, and there was another footnote to the footnote and there uh was as you say, and as it was sai