in terms of the fixed income side, vrc yields slide after a signal of a pause in hikes in june.for coming to the studio. a lot more talk about rate hikes. a pause now so they can assess the data, but that does not necessarily -- we heard from blackrock that he expects two more hikes this year. >> thank you for having me on. i can call the general consensus , that we have not seen the end of this yet. if you think about what we know about the fed, the area where chairman powell has been the most competent is seeing that he has a 2% target. in light of today's report, it is hard to imagine how we get there without something changing. maybe that comes out in the data. but given what we know, i'm not expecting an all clear whistle yet. we think this could end up being -- even if we have rates that are higher, with the market does not want to see is the fed doing something prematurely. jon: the logic was that it would hurt growth, but we were talking about the fact that growth has had a big run this year. question are saying -- matt: how are you thinking about growth right now with r