. >> hard to imagine you legends all crammed into a vw van.d for you when you guys met berry gordy. >> i remember the first time we saw the mansion, we were all in awe because we had never seen something so extrav gnlt. he had this golf course in his yard. he bet all of us he would give us $100 if we could do a hole in one. we didn't know how hard it was, but we toured the whole yard trying to put the golf ball in the hole. >> and you never could have imagined you would be leading your lives as berry gordy led his life as life went on for you? >> no, but being under the arms of motown, we knew we would be okay. >> johnny gill, it's great to have you here as well. u, of course, were in the massively successful group, new addition, which was a boy band in thp 1980s. the jackson 5 was probably the first ever african-american boy band. how did they specifically pave the way for your success? >> oh, my god. without the jacksons, there would definitely not be a new addition, the list goes on to boys 2 men, a lot of the groups you see today, the jack