and folks said the man now is w.e.b. dubois. but he went and tried -- met with dubois, and was turned off by dubois. if you know much about dubois, you can understand how a person could be turned off dubois. he was a brilliant man but not all that great socially. you know. pretty uppity fellow. marcus garvey said, now this guy can't be a race leader because he don't look right. he's too light skinned got hazel eyes, so-called good hair and all that. in jamaica, those people were problems. so garvey started the universal negro improvement association unia. and claimed direct lineage to booker t. washington and later on the nation of islam. in fact that's inherent of the garvey movement. saw themselves, of course, as well having a relationship with booker t. washington. you know, in terms of social you know and intellectual tradition. and elijah mohammed who was the founder of the nation of islam often would quote booker t. washington. you have this strain of thought in the african-americane @ community that comes straight out of b

took a train to galveston, took a ship back to new york and carried all the material to give to w.e.b. dubois face-to-face, who was the towering african-american intellect of that period and also the editor of the naacp magazine. what he did was published the first ever special supplement to the monthly crisis magazine, all about this lynching. he used the pictures. they didn't just send it to members of the naacp. they sent it to every member of woodrow wilson's cabinet, to newspaper editors all over the country, and elizabeth herself went on a speaking tour to black churches around the country. i don't think she ever came back to texas. interestingly, the whole story of the jesse washington lynching blew up and was featured in the newspaper and on tv in waco twice while i was doing my research. i have to give waco credit for this. unlike many other communities that have never confronted or dealt with their horrible racial past, the waco city council and county commissioners did issue some sort of resolution of regret, if not a polity -- apology. a group of citizens came and stood on the ste

and folks said the man now is w.e.b. dubois. but he went and tried -- met with dubois, and was turned off by dubois. if you know much about dubois, you can understand how a person could be turned off dubois. he was a brilliant man but not all that great socially. you know. pretty uppity fellow. marcus garvey said, now this guy can't be a race leader because he don't look right. he's too light skinned got hazel eyes, so-called good hair and all that. in jamaica, those people were problems. so garvey started the universal negro improvement association unia. and claimed direct lineage to booker t. washington and later on the nation of islam. in fact that's inherent of the garvey movement. saw themselves, of course, as well having a relationship with booker t. washington. you know, in terms of social you know and intellectual tradition. and elijah mohammed who was the founder of the nation of islam often would quote booker t. washington. you have this strain of thought in the african-americane @ community that comes straight out of b

and the second one was after washington died, w.e.b. dubois e a wrote a eulogy for booker t. washington and published it in publ major newspaper. those are the only two public hat dubo statements that dubois ever made about booker t. washington. and washington only mentioned du dubois a couple of times. once in "up from slavery" where he is in boston and he says there's a young man with an interesting analysis and paper that he read. named dr. w.e. dubois. and he goes on. he didn't say anything about it. you know, they were two different generations, you know,cetera et cetera. but dubois is criticizing washington, but washington is attempting to build institutions. this is really washington's legacy.this this is what distinguishes him s what from any other black leader, including martin luther king. martin luther king jr. dr. king, was a tremendous nk leader, no question about it. sa you know, we don't think of the to world the same way prior to martin luther king that we thinkas of the world now.the his dr. king was the first person ld ever in the history of the worlde. to sa

actually close to a lot of black activists and individuals out there who really loved her like w.e.b. dubois and her birth control clinics in the south were staffed by black people, and were not at all coercive. people wanted to control their fertility. and the fact loretto ross who has written brilliantly about race and reproduction is one of the people who has put together the framework of reproductive justice, you know, a way that people are starting to think more about reproductive issues. she said black women have always seize the opportunity to control their fertility, even more assertively than white women sometimes. i think when people throw around racism, they are reaching. >> guest: i would agree. it's an easy way to attack sanger, applied modern standard of language we throw around casually now. if you look at the details of her life it's far more complicated. she's almost always on the side of helping women of all colors. >> host: she was very progressive and other political areas and she started out as a socialist. she always voted for norman thomas. that was her little cash if

i don't think that w.e.b. dubois, who was an eminent --olar a graduate of harvard an eminent scholar, a graduate harvard with a doctoral degree, i don't see that dr. dubois, in his wildest imagination, could believe that this one sentence, written in a sentence still be to would define a nation many of its citizens. the problem of the 20th century is also the problem of the 21st century. the color line. the problem of race. .he problem of discrimination racial inequities. these are current problems. even in today's america. this very same day, december 4, way back in the , in the , 45 years ago 4:00 rs of the morning, a two bedroom apartment , the chicagomonroe police department, in co-lution with the -- in collusion with , led a raid on an apartment which resulted in the deaths of two young african-american men, fred hampton and mark clark. and the wounding of seven thers. they came in the middle of the dark hours of the morning. n a van. illinois van. some went to the rear of the wentment at 2377, and some o the fr

to galveston, took a ship back to new york and carried all the material personally to give to w.e.b. duboisg african-american intellect of that period and also the editor of the naacp magazine, "the crisis." and what he did was publish the first-ever special supplement to the magazine all about this lynching, and he used the pictures. they didn't just send it to members of the naacp, they sent it to every member of woodrow wilson's cabinet, to newspaper editors all over the country, and then elizabeth herself went on a speaking tour -- mostly to black churches around the country. i don't think she ever came back to texas. probably would have been unwise. interestingly enough, the whole story of the jesse washington lynching blew up and was featured in the newspaper and on tv in waco twice while i was doing my research before my book ever came out. and i have to give waco credit for this. unlike many, many other communities that have never confronted or dealt with or acknowledged their horrible racial past, the waco city council and the county commissioners did issue some sort of resolution