that was when she was alive. we could have done something then, but we didn't know. >> at his trial, hasler again changed his story. he said he was so drunk he might have put michelle inside his truck. he also explained why he cut her hair. >> mr. hasler said at his trial the reason he cut off michelle's hair was because he vomited in it and he didn't want his dna to be detected on her body. >> but the jury didn't believe michelle's death was an accident. and luke hasler was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. his version of what happened almost seemed plausible until the evidence showed it was all a lie. >> a lot of people are killed or seriously injured in car accidents. there's a lot of data about what type of injuries those cause. those were nowhere like michelle's injuries. so the medical examiner's report was critical to say this was not a car accident. >> we knew they had him, but without evidence they couldn't have put him away. they couldn't have foun

what there was is there was a statement that was released. the book has been out for about four months and i believe it was an early out over. the book had just been out for him after a few days and there was a statement released by the matthew shepard foundation saying, and i'm really paraphrasing here, it was a short statement, one paragraph long. it just said we are not going to respond to innuendos or rumors or conspiracy theories and said that they would continue, they would continue with the work they had set out to do in matthew's memory but there was not a single, there was not a single reference to anything in the book, any specifics so do no saying this is not true for this reason and that has been the case over the last four months. in the book i have along quote from jason marsden who is currently the executive director of the matthew shepard foundation. along quote, they're there are actually a couple of quotes that come from the interview a videotaped interview i did with jason marsden in 2004 in which jason acknowledges very cl

he was the real deal. >>> she was young. she was beautiful. and she was in big trouble. >> the 20-year-old from seattle sits in this italian jail, a prime suspect in the mysterious death of her roommate. this was the ugly american on steroids. >> is amanda knox a whore or a saint? >> i was sexually active. i was not sexually beaten. >> was she guilty in fact or just in the press? >> the newspapers had this fabulous story if this story was true. >> they had a fabulous story depending on if what the prosecution said was true. >> it was a media spectacle that consumed the united states, italy and england, igniting controversy that still rages. >> there's something about the way her eyes moved that leaves us wondering. >> i wished so much that i had stood up to them. >> the prosecution of amanda knox, next. >>> perugia, italy is a storybook city, famous throughout the world for its chocolates. and equally famous to students as a party town, where getting high and hooking up is a prerequisite. for the college experience. >> to the average american

and i was worried i was -- i was running out of options to get this figured out.o a lot of dead ends. >> since the original autopsy ruled deborah's death as accidental, snyder asked dr. janice amatuzio for a second opinion. >> as i looked of those photographs of the vehicle, which i had not seen before that, and i looked at the injuries and i said there's something we don't know here. i think this case deserves more investigation. there's way too much blood inside the vehicle. >> dr. amatuzio wanted to examine the hollerman's jeep herself. >> because, let's face it, steve hollerman's future was at stake here and the truth about deborah hollerman's death was at stake. the most important thing for everybody to remember is that what we were trying to get at was the truth. >> dr. amatuzio was approximately the same size and weight as deborah, so she did something extraordinary. she donned protective clothing and climbed into the blood-stained car. >> it was a little creepy. it was sobering. i realized i was sitting on the last spot that deborah hollerman had been sitt

who was it? >> you know, where do we go from here? and the obvious answer is, let's dig back into the case and let's see who else was a suspect in those days. who else can we get a dna standard from? let's just keep going until we run out of suspects. >> the first person on their list was daniel woloson. he was originally a suspect. he was working a quarter mile away on the day of the murder. then he ran off when police tried to question him. police found him in michigan where he worked at an auto salvage yard. by this time, he was divorced with one child and did not want to talk with police. >> woloson told them that he had provided hair samples and fingerprints back in 1981. he was not interested in cooperating with their investigation. >> investigators wanted a dna sample. woloson refused to provide one, and the courts refused to order one, citing the lack of probable cause. woloson's hair was on file from the original investigation, but the samples didn't contain root material, so they couldn

having an affair with his wife, kristi, and was afraid she was going to leave him. >> i think he wasgry that kristi and bryan betrayed him that he was going to make him pay. >> the forensic evidence suggests dale's plan was to eliminate the person he perceived to be his competition. since he knew bryan's hours and when there would be the least amount of traffic, he knew exactly when to strike. dale probably forced bryan into the trunk at gunpoint. bryan tried to kick his way out of the trunk during the 30-minute drive when a piece of the paint became embedded in his boot. when dale got to the burial spot, prosecutors think he ordered bryan to remove his boots so he couldn't run away. he then forced him over to a shallow grave, which prosecutors think he dug earlier that day. then shot him with a .22-caliber pistol. the murder weapon was never recovered. >> it was so typical of dale's personality to be a coward enough to shoot somebody in the back and not face him when he was going to take his life. >> the paint and circumstantial evidence were difficult for dale bradley to refute. he

sorensen was angry. he wouldould see me -- say, there was no cover-up. of course there was.hey were hiding from the public the extent of kennedy's medical history and the difficulties. if people knew how many medical health problems kennedy had, i don't think he would have been elected in 1960. however unfair that may be. i said his medical records down alongside the cuban medical price -- cuban missile crisis. there were no concessions to his medical difficulties during that crisis. there were medications that i think how can get through it without stumbles. to get back to your point about was a somewhat prickly character. very defensive about kennedy as if he were the keeper of the flame. i don't know why jacqueline kennedy was so critical of him. i think she was overly critical in the sense that sorensen was a total loyalist and he served kennedy's needs and desires and degree and itnth wasn't as if he stole funding from kennedy. having't make claims to published profiles of courage. >> did he or did he not write profiles of courage? >> that is a complicated story. he did

and, which hap was not as a young boy. nor was he when he was at west point. he aggravated assaulted in 1907 but when he got the aviation bug , he fell hard. and he fell rather early in the whole, in the whole history of aviation. some of you may have heard of his flight instructors. a couple of boys from bicycle mechanics from dayton, ohio, name of wilbur and orville wright. [laughter] yes, hap learned to fly from the wright brothers and began a career which took him to be, as the subl on the book says, the man who invented the united states air force. his entire career became part of that, of that effort to build army aviation into an independent air force. but before i start talking about his career, willie mentioned that there were some family interviews in the book, and i depended very heavily on those and, in fact, stole a lot of great stories from hap's grandson, robert arnold, and we're very privileged to have with us today robert arnold, and i'd like to invite robert up to tell a few stories about hap's early life and career. robert? [applause] >> tha

he was the real deal. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> she was young. she was beautiful. and she was in big trouble. >> the 20-year-old from seattle sits in italian jail, a prime suspect in the mysterious death of her roommate. >> is amanda knox a whore or a saint in. >> i was sexually active, i was not sexual deviant. >> it's salacious. it's fascinating. >> it was a media spectacle. >> it ignited controversy that still rages. >> there's something about the way that her eyes move that leaves us wondering. >> i wished so much that i had stood up to them. >> the prosecution of amanda knox, next. >>> perugia, italy is a storybook city, famous throughout the world for its chocolates. and equally famous to students as a party town, where getting high and hooking up is a prerequisite for the college experience. >> to the average american tourist, this town looks like an idyllic italian mountain town filled with beautiful art and churches. if you spent a little time there and you read italian, you start to realize every single headline is about drugs, it's about gang violence. >

c-span: that was early. >> guest: and that was early; that was 1959. c-span: and what was it? >> guest: that has never gone out of print, and that was called darwin and the darwinian revolution, and it was an intellectual biography of darwin and also of the movement of darwinism that resulted from his great discovery of the theory of evolution and of natural selection. c-span: is it getting easier or harder to write an intellectual book in this society and get it sold and get people to pay attention to it? >> guest: i think it's perhaps harder to do without your medium. i think your medium has almost transformed the audience for a general book of this sort. it's made it very important for a writer to also be visible publicly, and i think that's an important difference that one isn't thinking about enough these days, that enough thought hasn't been given to. c-span: when do you know that you've had a success? you just had a book in 1994 called on looking into the abyss. what was that about? >> guest: that was a book that was not an historical book. that was different from most

he was just special. >> john lennon was my favorite beatle. >> the other was a lonely kid from georgiar talents and no real direction in life. >> everyone said he was a nice person. >> he wanted to bring attention to himself. >> they were as different as night and day. two men on intense personal journeys that converged in a single shocking act. >> i took five steps and fired. [ gunshots ] five shots sxwlp. >> i literally held john lennon's heart in my hand. >> it was an unthinkable crime that left millions in mourning. the murder of john lennon. next. ♪ >>> it's a chilly night at around 10:45 p.m. police respond to a report of a shooting at the dakota, an exclusive apartment building on manhattan's upper west side. >> when we drove up to the dakota, there was a man standing in the middle of the street pointing into the archway, saying that's the man doing the shooting. we get out of the car. we approached the archway. on each side of it. looked in. and saw a man with his hands up. >> five shots that have been fired. all but one found their target. >> so i grabbed the guy around the ne

and she was constantly trying to be better. when i found out it was dawn, i was shocked.saved her? you know, all these things go through your mind. >> john sillick was the guy who in 1987 was crushed between two whales at seaworld of san diego. now even though i had been working at seaworld for six months, i had no idea that had even happened. i never heard the story. and the seaworld party line would say it was a trainer error. >> it was john's fault. john's fault. he was supposed to get off that whale. and for years i believed that. i told people that. i actually started seaworld like five days after that event occurred, and we weren't told much about it, other than it was trainer error, and, you know, especially when you're new into the program, you don't really question a whole lot. well, you know, years later when you actually look at the footage, you go, you know what, he didn't do anything wrong. that whale went to the wrong spot. it could have been aggression. who knows. but it was not the trainer's fault at all watching that video. >> when i saw the video of the

this is what he was doing when the war was winding down. he was not looking back. he was looking ahead. he had this idea to create a research and development entity outside of the military, outside the government so he went to an old friends known since, well, gee, since they met during the first world war, guy named don douglas who, coi understand -- coindently, is robert's other grandfather, and don douglas -- well, it's a similar story. he started out as a graftsman very early in the history 6 aviation, and in world war ii, and built arguably the largest plane maker in the america, and another antedote, the two 6 them were quail hunting the day they found out about peril harbor, but that's another story of the many that we have in this great book. all seriousness aside. so hap get in touch with don douglas, and the two of them cooked up the idea for a research and development entity. what do we call it? well, call it rad, research and development, and that was the rand organization. it was initially housed at douglas in santa monica, and eventually became the in

she was stunned. she was in shock. was all the things that you would expect her to be. >> and, remember, i showed you the pictures of leslie and madeline and they looked real happy. does that look like a picture of somebody knocking each other out? i mean, that's what i saw. >> on the night of the murder, as a matter of routine, police swabbed brian vaughn's hands for gunpowder residue, since he was in the house when the crime occurred. >> these are the small micro scopic particles that are left behind when a gun is fired. within a 24-hour period, it is very likely that i will be able to find gunshot residue. >> but under the scanning electron microscope magnified up to 10,000 times, the tests on brian's hands were negative. >> investigators suspected the killer somehow climbed up to a second-floor balcony, broke through the french doors and then shot vaughn in the head with a 9 millimeter gun. the balcony was about 15 feet from the ground. >> this is a balcony without access to the ground level. there's no stairway an

she hated having to go because partly it was unpleasant, it was cold, there was not food, it was difficult. also the roads were very treacherous, and she had to go over them, and the british took people like martha washington who was the wife of the chief patriot, george washington, they took women like her hostage and put hem in prison. and -- them in prison. and some of them were killed. so it was scary for her to go. but she went every winter of the war because george washington wanted her to. was she did cheer up the troops -- because she did cheer up the troops so much that she really helped keep them in camp and keep them from deserting the army at times when they had no food and no shelter and no pay. and here she is at valley forge with the soldiers. but she would come, the soldiers loved her. she would come from mount vernon where over the summer the enslaved people there had made preserves and made, and cured meets and woven cloth, and so she would arrive with a carriage full of stuff. and they would finish the soldiers would cheer, lady washington is here! and that was just one

to believe maybe this was someone who was angry with someone in the family, that there was something more to this. >> peter and joan porco had two children. 23-year-old jonathan was a lieutenant in the u.s. navy serving on a nuclear submarine hundreds of miles away. 21-year-old christopher attended the university of rochester, a three-hour drive away. both had alibis for the night of the attack. but why did joan porco tell police her son christopher was responsible? >> your mother is communicating. >> she's saying you were there in the house. >> i don't know why she would say that. >> she knows what happened. >> i hope she does. i was not there. >> he was cooperating. he let them take a dna sample. he let them look at his body to make sure there weren't marks or signs of a struggle, like bruises. >> three weeks after the attack, joan porco regained consciousness. >> everybody was very surprised. it was a miracle. she obviously had a strong will to live, and the doctors just did an amazing job. >> and joan now told police that christopher had nothing to do with the attack. >> she said

not understand that that was mike that was there.ecause i prayed over and over for him to be ok and he was not, i thought, nobody listened. god was not listening. my prayer was not answered. i went through a very long time of not believing and not believing that prayers could be answered. and it took me a long time and a lot of growing up to come back to faith. >> have you recovered your faith? >> i have recovered my faith. my faith is very helpful to me in those years. to george and me when we lived in the white house. i cannot imagine living there without a strong faith. faith in the goodness of the lord and life. that was the quote that i used in the christmas card that first year. it was in the lectionary the weekend that we went. everyone came. the cabinet was there with us as well. and condi, they were all there that weekend. and our camp david chaplin, who happened to be a methodist minister, had chosen "i shall see the goodness of the lord in the land of the living." that was the little program for camp david that weekend. so

it was something that was just a thing that was going to happen. >> if education was to be the way out would show them the way up. parochial school for the elementary grades offered both. >> we were told, don't get mad, pray. the catholic school, don't get mad, pray. so we'd say we have to pray for so-and-so, we start praying. >> later, at the public high school, where girls often aspired to be baton twirlers with the marching band, irene and josie were reluctant. it was the 1940s. was it unusual for mexican-american teenagers to do twirling? >> it was. my mom says, you go ahead and try out. they have a new music director, and we'll see if he'll get you in. and he was impressed with the two of us, and he let us in. >> irene went on to become mcallen high's first mexican-american drum majorette, an inspiration to her younger cousins. >> in essence, it really did not matter what race she was. she was just irene. >> irene also made an impression in the local beauty pageants, eventually being crowned miss south texas in 1958. >> she was everything i think that all little girls, especially

was it an accident or was it arson? it took the physics of a burning cigarette, the chemical composition of a flame, and a computer-simulated fire to determine how the fire started and who was responsible. for 25 years ed and rosalie camiolo lived in an affluent suburb outside of philadelphia. ed was a retired government worker and rosalie worked in the computer industry. their only child, paul, a 31-year-old computer programmer, lived upstairs. he took care of his parents since they had difficulty getting around. >> it's not that they were bedridden or complete invalids, but they certainly weren't athletic and able to respond, in my opinion, to an emergency situation. >> just before dawn in september of 1996, paul made an emergency call to the fire department. >> 911, what is your emergency? >> we have a fire in our living room. it's getting really bad. >> get out of the house. we have the fire department coming out. >> when police arrived, they found paul on the front lawn getting dressed. paul said his mother and fat

. >> photogrammetry was the key element and it was used to solve the case. without photogrammetry this case would have gone unsolved. >>> a car runs off the highway into a river. yet the driver is nowhere to be found. for answers, investigators recreated the crash and the evidence revealed a plan almost 20 years in the making. the result of a deadly obsession that ended in tragedy. >>> nick howard was just 18 years old, fresh out of high school and working in his father's car repair business. he was trying to decide what to do with his life. >> we had a deal with nick that he was welcome to stay at home, but he had to work or go to school. he had to be doing something with his life. he was starting to get a little bit lackadaisical about that. >> nick was a night person and often stayed out late with friends. on a february night in 1997, nick stopped by a local restaurant to pick up his driver's license he had left there earlier. but the restaurant was closed so he left a note for the owner. >> it was in his handwriting. we knew that he had gone down there.

one was a baseball bat that looked clean, but it was tested with phenolphthalein and was positive forsence of blood. however, it was impossible to determine whether it was human or animal blood. and they found jonathan's clothes soaking in the washing machine. the water appeared to be pink. >> unfortunately, we couldn't do a test of blood for it. was it blood that caused that pinkish tint? maybe. >> but perhaps the most surprising discovery in the nyces' home was a pair of men's loafers and on the bottom was a mysterious substance that couldn't be identified. scientist tested the substance with infrared analysis. that test revealed there were four different kinds of glue on the bottom of the loafers. but why would there be glue on the bottom of his shoes? investigators found the answer when they discovered pieces of plastic hidden throughout the nyces' home. >> pieces were hidden in children's toy boxes. there was a christmas tree box that had a couple pieces in it. >> the pieces looked like the bottoms of a pair of boots. >> you're wondering did they get all of the parts? if i did ge

he was arrested for that and was given seven years. >> he was sentenced to parchman penitentiary, thest present at that time probably in the country. they let him out a couple of months before he died of cancer, but only because he was terminal. >> that sovereignty commission did all they could to hold back progress in our state. basically, discouraged any kind bringorts to black-and-white people together. >> that last voice, congress member bennie thompson. this is a clip from, "spies of mississippi." dawn porter is the director. talk more about the sovereignty commission. establishedssion is in response to brown versus board of education, the famous supreme court case that allows integration of schools. that case was seen by mississippi as almost a declaration of war. it was viewed as an attack on mississippi sovereignty and set into motion a vast response from the state. one thing they did was establish the spy agency. what is so remarkable about this is it was the spy agency hidden in plain sight. there was an allocation of taxpayer dollars, $250,000 -- in 1950 was serious money -

i was in boston and i said i would like to do the nixon marriage and i was told that was the last thing i should do. but i didn't give up. i found an agent who said it is great idea. we celebrate extroverts and foster public displays of affection and we encourage the idea if is going through difficult times you can give up on it. so the american public has a hard time accepting the private relationship they have. they went through dark times and drove each other crazy. they had tough times like when they lost the election and 1962 when pat didn't want dick nixon to run for the governor and the last period in watergate. there was resent but that is par for the course. she wrote a friend saying i love your letters, and light up, sit back and devour them. and like many women who would share with friends, she would c complain about nixon about how he didn't like the mow the one. she said he said he is going to do it next week, i will telegraph you when it happens. and another letter, i got him to mow the lawn and he has been complaining of sore hands. and she said if a nail has to be driven

a lot of physical activity in the show that was but it was the way it was handled and then they turned around and called me a liar and jack a liar and it's like listen. i know i'm full of. but i don't make up why would i remain unknown with. zero or was that one all we get there was three burying green splats called to lay glee and meredith there. and they just handled it badly they know they did and then the worst thing was denying that it ever happened now you know why would i make set up such a story we've got e-mails we've got contracts and i just thought at the end of the day i don't want to work with these people why should i tell me about ozzy so i did you had to break up really bad to get was i love that ring as he gave it a ring as he gave me a drawing it's. a little knot and it's like a forget me not so if you don't forget so i don't forget him hello you apart three months three months all the i found out that ozzy was drinking in using again and it was a very difficult time because ozzy was recording his album and he was doing it in england so he was flying there for maybe a

inside, and the tv was on. through a crack in the blinds, jason could actually see what later turned out to be michelle's foot. >> when police arrived, they found michelle's body in her bedroom, face down. it was clear she'd been dead for some time. >> she was in a somewhat awkward position with her left arm folded up underneath her body. >> at first glance, there was no trauma to the body, no bruises, no wounds, no blood. >> we had no indication of what would have caused her death. >> the medical examiner thought the position of michelle's body face down was unusual. >> if somebody is sick and in the process of dying, most folks tend to end up either on their side or on their back. >> there were no foreign fingerprints in the apartment, no signs of forced entry, and no valuables were missing. >> her vcr, her television set, her radio, jewelry, it was all intact. >> and there was no indication this was a suicide. >> if it's going to be a suicide, there's going to be pill bottles laying around and frequently a n

it was something i was really excited to play. hadn't played that before. >> she had mostly played wholesome and naive. before sidney, she lit up the screen as the princess in "enchanted." where does your love of musical theater come from? >> i just loved it. it was always something that spoke to my spirit, you know? >> adams was raised in a mormon church until the age of 11 when her parents divorced. you had seven brothers and sisters and you were -- >> smack in the middle. >> and you're the only performer out of everyone? >> i'm the only one that chose it as a career. >> you grew up in colorado, and after high school, did you make a decision that this is it, i'm going to be an actress or a singer? >> i was going to be a dancer. i always wanted to pursue theater, but i always thought it would be through dance. i always wanted to act, but i was too -- just too afraid to say it, because it took a lot for me to say. you know, i just want to try. >> adams did try, after a short stint as a waitress at hooter's. famously, you had the j

i was shot through the liver. my diaphragm was torn. my stomach had a -- was torn.e my spleen. >> at first he turned to painkillers. >> i was on anti-depressants. i was on tranquilizers. i was on sedatives. >> then worst. >> and i started drinking and i started using elicit drugs, as well. >> he had gone back to work in a san francisco law office. >> when i look back on it now i don't even see how i walked around much less worked a full-time job. it was so painful for me to be conscious i just really -- i drank myself to unconsciousness every day. >> in 1982, gosney moved to the island of maui in hawaii with another commune that collapsed. when he lost one job, he applied for another with the maui police department. >> i didn't tell them that i was a chronic alcoholic. i didn't tell them that i was a jonestown survivor. i didn't tell them that i was hiv positive. i didn't tell them that i had a drug history. >> after a couple of years as a cop, he hit rock bottom. finally, he stopped drinking, stopped using drugs and kept his job. >> i've been clean and sober for 19

what i was interested in was public policy. i was interested in how government worked, being the person who worked in government. so i worked here on capitol hill for something called the environmental study conference. i am sure some of your listeners would remember that name. back in the day, very moderate republican from new york, but very active in the environmental movement in the 1970's. i worked with that group then it was more of a think tank. they did a lot of research for members. back then, there were not as many staff people so you had these study groups that would provide the expertise to members who joined the group. i worked for the environmental study conference and thought, ok, the federal government, i saw how it worked. this is pretty exciting. i went back to college and was encouraged to do an internship. i became a legislative intern in 1977. i saw for the first time that state politics actually provided a real avenue for discussion, a real avenue to get things done. and that it was important. i had a very

but alvin's wife was. >> she proceeded to tell us where he was, that he was with his brothers, claude bellamy and larry bellamy. so that is the first time we come up with three names. >> around 1:00 a.m., a car approached the bellamy home, but it wasn't alvin. it was alvin's brother, larry, who was a lieutenant with the myrtle beach police department. >> they gave me the name of lieutenant larry bellamy, and my initial reaction was, they've made a bad mistake. there's no possible way that they've got the right person or that they should even be looking at this particular person. >> larry vehemently denied any involvement in the robberies. alvin came home a short time later in the truck identified as the lookout vehicle. the fbi found $116 in brand-new bills in alvin's wallet. >> fresh, crisp 5s and 1s. i started writing down the serial numbers to the $1 and $5 bills. >> there was basically one of those ploys that you use. >> i told him that i was going to take it back to the bank and compare it with the stolen money from the bank. he got very agitated, got very upset. demanded he'd ne

i wasn't -- i was making a good living but i wasn't -- i was getting to that age, i was 33, i was getting to that spot where you go it's going to have to happen pretty soon because i've been 12 years kicking around and not really catching. this is like the seventh banana on a bunch of shows. >> rose: you think this is a story shared by many people that there but for some act of it happening, some fortuitous circumstance, it's not luck because you had to be good. >> oh, i think it's luck. if it was just about how brilliant you are there are an awful lot better, more talented. so the truth of the matter was it requires an immense amount of luck. i also played on that show, i had the romantic lead. tony edwards was the lead on the show but i had the romantic lead. and the romantic lead on the show is always -- garners a lot of attention and it was juliana and i had who had -- i was really in a spot where it felt like this was going to -- who knew we were going to average 40 million people a week? who knew it was going to be the thing that it became. but we knew we had a job for seven years.

and their first reaction was that it was a gas explosion. >> 46-year-old brian plawer was killed instantly. he left behind a wife and three children. >> very charismatic, gregarious. brian never met anybody he didn't like. >> bill adams's daughter walked out just moments before the explosion. >> it is by pure chance that it could have been my daughter, you know? i have often thought that brian took what could have happened to my daughter. >> agents from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives were called in to investigate. >> we found metal fragmentation. we found pieces of pipe nickel. we picked up any pieces of wire we found, batteries. we did find some 9-volt batteries. we picked up everything. >> this clearly eliminated a gas line explosion. these were the ingredients of a pipe bomb, a homemade device in which gun powder is packed into a steel pipe closed with metal end caps. in this case, fragments of red painted end caps were found in the rubble along with 30-gauge blue, insulated, silver-coated copper wire. >> this was not a very common wire. it could be a particular

something was wrong that i was jumping up like that to the podium. it was fun. that is when i called myself a desperate housewife. roastody knows that is a at that is what everybody at the white house correspondents dinners are like. make it for the president. the people from overseas were shocked. would we would travel overseas, some world leader would say, are you a desperate housewife? >> i am married to the president of the united states adheres our typical evening. [laughter] 9:00, mr. excitement is sound asleep. [laughter] it i am watching "desperate housewives." [laughter] [applause] with lynn cheney. [laughter] gentlemen, i am a desperate housewife. [laughter] on thatf those women show think they are desperate, they ought to be with george. [laughter] >> you compare your mother in law to -- [laughter] >> exactly. you have to ask her. [laughter] >> you talked about the first lady being seen glamorous and etc., are we too obsessed with your hair and makeup and clothing? >> yes. for sure. i do not think to get around it. maybe what we've have a first gentle

he was 300 miles away in miami when karen was killed. and police discovered that karen was dating a number of men at the time of her death. >> karen was seeing a british airline pilot. we learned of this pilot through some text messaging on karen's phone. >> hi, sex bomb, having a good day? miss you. just got back from rio. do i get to see you next week? >> the pilot had an alibi for the time of the murder. he was out of the country and was not considered a suspect. but someone else karen was dating had a violent past, news karen learned just days before her murder. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? no, just had to stop by the house to grab a few things. you stopped by the house? uh-huh. yea. alright, whenever you get your stuff, run upstairs, get cleaned up for dinner. you leave the house in good shape? yea. yea, of course. ♪ [ sportscaster talking on tv ] last-second field go-- yea, sure ya did. [ male announcer ] introducing at&t digital life. personalized home security and automation. get professionally monitored

even though it was slightly fragmented, it was not the entire palm, it was only a small section of a palmprint. >> when investigators compared the bloody palmprint to charles's prints, they got an unpleasant surprise. >> the palmprint was compared to charles holden's known prints, and it was not a match. >> investigators now had to face the possibility that charles' story might actually be true. >>> investigators still believed charles holden had something to do with his mother's murder, and may have hired someone to kill her. >> even though there was the forensic evidence that didn't match charles holden, there could have been some connection between charles holden and the person who committed the murder. >> investigators suspected that the hired killer might have been the man with charles at the fast food restaurant. >> detectives went back and they were able to locate some of the people who were in the parking lot that night, and they were able to find that there was, in fact, a black male walking through the parking lot looking for a ride and actually did see this person get in t

my dad, he was my backbone. >> keene was as popular as he was athletic.egend. >> yeah, i mean, there's no doubt. they had posters of me all over town. i mean, everybody knew who i was with my sports ability. so, yeah, i was the most popular guy around. there's no question. i was voted most popular guy in school. >> jimmy seemed to have everything. except enough money to keep up with the rich kids at school and he only saw one way to get it. he started selling drugs and quickly learned he was good at it. >> you're making decent money, you don't think is this a wrong thing that you're doing? so i kept growing into it and growing into it and by the time i was 20 years old, i mean, i was sitting on top of an empire. >> by keene's own account, he was pulling in around $1 million a year. he was addicted. not to the drugs, but the money. >> it's hard to walk away from that kind of money, especially a 20-year-old. >> so he didn't. and that single decision would change the rest of jimmy keene's life and bring him face to face with an alleged serial killer. [ femal

when her grandfather was away. it was a place of who she was.nd gave her a sense of strength about the land and the prairie and doing for yourself. i remember going there the first time, people talking about crying. she says she will for western pennsylvania having been educated. her husband so we are going to move out there and make our fortune in oil. she said, what is it like? there is a town and called no trees. bush says she remembers, from the supermarket with tumbleweeds. she had no idea how to get to her house. it is very harsh and for bidding and in that way. you have to have a special appreciation. that made her tough. a loveer book, it is letter to midland, texas. so much a part of her. she talks about the sky. and she usedther to look up at the sky for hours on end how important that it is for that part of the country. what did george w. bush mentioned what time is that allows you to see people for who they are. there are no trees and sky is the limit. >> midland and the 1950's was supportive but also could be insulating for some in

i was like, you're lying to me. and i was hitting the wall and freaking out. and he had to take me outside. i was being way too loud. >> sky was able to provide the assailant's license plate number. 2uca167. the car was registered to barbara genzler. she told police that her son, david, was using the car but she didn't know where he was. 25-year-old david genzler was a finance student at san diego state university. he matched the general description sky had given to police, about six-feet tall, thin with glasses. three days later, genzler turned himself in. >> obviously he knew he stabbed someone. but didn't know the extent of that wound. when he had learned that this person had died, that is when he contacted an attorney. >> genzler refused to tell >> genzler refused to tell police where the car was and he refused to give hem the clothes he wore that night and the knife. >> what his story is, i don't know. he has never given us a statement. >> genzler looked very studios. he had the little glasses, tall, lanky guy. he did not look like someone you would expec

it was -- it was hard to deal with and to -- it was just such an unfair act. and i couldn't -- couldn't understand it for a long time. >> the coroner identified the cause of death as strangulation. there were other injuries, as well. >> in addition to the ligature strangulation marks, she also had evidence of blunt force injury to the head. she had received a blow to the head in the left forehead area and the left temple. >> there were no defensive wounds and no signs of sexual assault. >> the scalp here is brown, about 14 inches in length. >> the soles of the feet were clean in this case and that indicates to me that she certainly was not standing up at the scene where she was found. she certainly did not walk there. >> no injuries. >> the only other findings were some unusual marks on genna's thigh, indentations that were made after death. >> on a living person, these fade very quickly. in this case, these are postmortem pressure marks. they don't tend to fade because the -- the color comes as the blood leaks out of the vessels by gravity after death and it

i know it was from doug. >> how do you know it was from doug, michelle?ut him in jail. >> okay. >> george testified. >> michelle thought the bomb had to have come from the two men her stepson put in jail, doug gustafson and r.d. cheely. >> the bomb was not meant to frighten someone, to intimidate someone. this was meant to kill. and it succeeded, killing the wrong person. >> but could the forensic evidence prove it? at david kerr's autopsy, investigators found a tiny metal post in his chest, the kind used in a switch. >> ultimately, our crime lab was able to determine the type of switch that that post would be a part of, a manufacturer, and to whom did the manufacturer provide the circuit or the switch? radioshack. well, there are lots of radioshacks, but at least we knew there were radioshacks in anchorage. >> but both cheely and gustafson were incarcerated at the time. >> how could they have done it from jail? how could they do this? how could they do that? which was all of our questions. you know, how could somebody do that from jail. >> since prisons

that name was finally released. i think it was last september it was released. here is to it was.hich is why we need another church committee. thank you very much. [applause] >> i'd be happy to take questions. at think john has -- >> good. who do we have? this fine. >> i think the audience. that think they learned much from the narrative recounting the national security ministration. one of the things, created by a top-secret memorandum by harry truman in 1962. no congressional or public debate. just sort of embarrassed. i am sure that harry truman thought he would be embarrassed by this session. >> it is the only agency in the u.s. government that was not created by a law in congress, hearings, by a bill through congress. it was created by a top-secret memorandum signed by harry truman in 1962 that was -- even the congress was not allowed to know about it. it is the only agency in your government that was born secret. >> which is the opposite. the government must be transparent in order to have government by the consent of the governed. it seemed apparent inconspicuous that other

there was no furniture. there was nothing. it was an empty apartment, just a corridor that we walked down until we reached a room with only one chair in the middle, and there my source was seated. and we began to talk. >> narrator: the source was paolo gabriele, the pope's butler. he was offering thousands of secret documents from the pope's private office. he said he wanted to protect the pope from the sleaze and corruption that surrounded him. he went on, "i'm afraid the pope doesn't have the strength to expel the money changers from the temple." (applause) (speaking italian) >> narrator: nuzzi broke the story on his program, but he was careful to protect the identity of his source. and over the months that followed, he released more and more secret documents. >> (translated): i published documents and stories dealing with corruption, scandals, frauds, nepotism, pedophilia, sexual abuses, self-advancement, all issues that for many years, too many years, no one wanted to talk about in the vatican. >> narrator: vatileaks soon

it was buried. all copies of the printed version were destroyed on orders at the request of mussolini but the regional hand written pages were not destroyed. only after his death the 23rd release part of the text and we have the full text now and live like it to bring of the real break with fascism. it is the speech mussolini did not want to hear it warns the bishops there are fascists spies everywhere and complaints about racial ideology. it is very happy it was not as dramatic as he feared. >> what question generates the most curiosity right now? what would you like to explore or having answered? >> a good question. we have learned a lot. i feel we have a good understanding what was going on. but there are aspects that are still obscure but to understand his view of the jews is not entirely clear. how could he agree to that deal in august 1938 to go along with the racial laws? there is some conflict there we don't understand we know every time he tried to turn against it will fully understand that

was bad behavior i never saw drinking and he was messin with drugs and it was just it all came to a head but he'd been using for a year and a half and i never knew mal how is it it's fantastic because i do read together i. the left came and said i can't go through this again i just can't and he promised that he would work his program because it it's like anything if you don't work your programme you're going to slip and he wasn't going to meetings he wasn't working his steps and he slipped but he slipped for a year and a half but the frightening thing to me was that i didn't see it so where was i for a year and a half i was just self obsessed with my work i didn't see him so it kind of kicked me in the bomb it kicked him in the bomb of the fear of what he would lose his family respect and his next month it's a year or so. and he works his program what's he like to be when he is and when he's ok with i love ours what's he like when he's ok fun fun very very easy grandfather he's a very good father he's very very he's a pushover he's soft you know his bloodshot of a recording. they've

and it was -- it was as if it was cut perfectly. >> for more than three day, sheriff's deputies searched property where the belongings were discovered. >> his body is found here. >> volunteers, including wright family pastor ray lewis say they asked several times to search a barn on the adjacent property but were told no by the owner. >> i was very polite. and he says to me, the last time he says you all cannot search that barn. i'm not going to let you search that barn. my nephew lives in the top of the barn. >> the the family's lawyer, ryan mcleod says sheriff's deputies told him specially trained dogs brought to the ranch lost alfred's scent near a creek. >> if alfred's body was there, it is incredible -- it's actually unimaginable to me that dogs would not have found his body. >> tom maddox is sheriff in sabine county, and he was on scene during the search. >> he showed me the circumference of the area. he showed me that this whole circular piece here had been searched. and he also told me that numerous times that if he was in the area, that they would find him. >> not only did the s

was. but the person of their that has a deck of cards and a hand of cards in front of them was an old-time press club member and he would hang out here during the 1950s and he became a very fascinating card shark who wrote a book called education of a poker player. and that is still part of the original building where he was playing cards here. but before he became a card shark coming he had another job and that was i was being the founding father of the national security agency. and the nsa actually got its start in a little apartment building their. in july of 1920. and herbert irbe was the chief of the black chamber and he lived on the top floor with his family and the firstborn was a phony company that made commercial code, but it was just a front. in the code breaking was done on the two middle floors. so as you can imagine the nsa has grown a fair amount since those days. and what some of those have been saying right now i'm actually happened after 1929. and that was the secretary of

but it was something that it was like -- it was electric. immediately. knew. >> since scritchfield was in the prison's highest security wing, he was not allowed outside his cell to make phone calls. instead, he would be given a phone to make occasional collect calls from inside his cell. the calls are routinely monitored by prison staff, and that's how their relationship was discovered. >> hi, baby. >> hi. >> i should have left when i started having feelings for him. i should not have put myself or him or any of them in that position because it was wrong. you know, i would have given up the job. i just couldn't give him up. >> after our "extended stay" shoot at the penitentiary of new mexico, scritchfield was transferred to another prison where the couple was allowed to marry. that resulted in the lifting of their visitation ban. >> it actually seemed like an authentic deal to me. they truly seemed to love each other, and according to what i heard from paula, everything is going really well and she's just waiting for him to be released. >> a copy of the

here was at risk snowdon. the was a contractor. he was in his 20's. and yet he was able to spend almost a year, it seems like, exfiltrating all of those -- well, over one-half million secret documents. and without even knowing about it until the inception on gone. so do you want to trust his agency with all of your data? i don't particularly want to do that. you can see what happens with target. there are people out there that really one data that will pay a lot of money for it. and as somebody at the nsa said to him, the honorable thing, being a whistle-blower, wanted to be a criminal, they have all that data. the lessee keep in the hands of the government, the better it is pretty darn of the key issues which is an issue will talk about, which is somewhat of a complex issue but it is a key issue in the entire meditated discussion. it is the issue that judge pauley sort of hung his hat on on his decision. and it all centers on this house in human and this person appeared. i will guarantee you i am the only person in this room that has actually been to

it was swing city, it was everybody's favorite place. it's about purpose to display the arts and cultures of the nation and the western states. its real purpose was to make a splash and show san francisco was a city that knew how. that gave birth to this once in a lifetime spectacle. you need to know something about the bay area of the 1930s. the early 1930s were very hard years in the united states. a great depression had cast a chilling shadow across the land. a stock market crash, series of violent stocks and generally stalled economy had thrown millions of americans out of work. the unemployed were hopeless, those were jobs were afraid. a kind of outrage swept herbert hoover out of office. it would take more than -- optimism. but the wap did putmen back to work. men who had work started feeling better about themselves. then word spread that things were looking up. even as massive boom doggers for loafers. no one said that about the mightiest project of all. one that the citizens of the bay area were paying for with their own money. t

pay was better -- and the pay was better. one of two people in my left-leaning king's college led the unfashionable religious studies, i was often asked by anyies -- at parties by british students, why i would choose such a subject. become a nun? being a priest was not an option, though it was about to become one. a few years later at a christmas party, only weeks after i begin this new trial beat of religious reporter, i was asked by a drunk colleague, why are you interested in religion? is it because you are religious yourself? i would get that many times over the years. incidentally, a political corresponded to not get asked have a vote to and it is not deemed to affect the reporting. the reporter never insert him or , mussf into a new story under extorting circumstances. i mentioned these encounters because it gives you a flavor of the beer will prevent an suspicion in a secular 1990's britain as to why anyone would be interested in religion, if it was not for vocational reasons, if they did not have an agenda. i would em