to pakistan, got trained by al-qaeda, were going to come back and blow up the new york city sub wachlthsz, an e-mail was intercepted. the f.b.i. interviewed one of the subjects. okay? this guy named nasha bulizazi, brought him to the fbi headquarters. what did they do? sat down and talked with him. they talked with him. what did he do three days later? he admitted everything. he admitted everything. this was the ticking time bomb scenario. you didn't need to get it from waterboarding, through slapping. you needed to get it through putting people on a liquid diet or in a box. they simply i had to them. this individual admitted to, to what happened. conspirtors. >> is that your recommendation for all terrorist suspects, that we should sit down with them and have a nice chat? >> i don't know. i talk to a lot of people. i sit down and have a chat and they tell me things they are not supposed to. >> sebastian, i am sure it goes against the grain of most american sensibilities when they see what happened at abu ghraib and hear these detailed reports but at the same time, we have to recognize th