i went to work with wachovia, and then, they merged with wells fargo. and wells fargo asked me to go to california again, and i worked again with natalie gub. and working with natalie gub was kind of like playing with larry byrd. here's somebody who is a big part of the industry, started the industry, was a big player in my mind, and here i was, working with her, so it was very exciting for me. i felt like i kind of matriculated to the brass ring to work with natalie gub to have her be a partner of mine, a mentor of mine. it was tli it was thrilling to come to california to work with her, and i think it's fitting that this is named natalie gub commons. thank you very much. >> i don't know if any of you are trying to figure out which celtic tim is. knicks or warriors. people move around. what once would have been a career at the celtics, now, she would have had a lot of opportunities. thanks, tim, there are other people that aren't here, and i do want to thank the state department of housing and community development. some of you are wondering with what