it was a total disaster. >> the siege at waco, next. >>> waco, texas, is a quiet, modest city surrounded by sprawling cattle ranches. located halfway between dallas and austin, it's an unlikely place for a modern day armageddon. >> this is command post. we have a fire at the compound at mt. carmel. the entire compound is going up right now. >> it was an epic debacle in united states law enforcement history. a deadly shootout followed by a 51-day siege that ended with more than 70 people dead in a raging inferno. all caught on live television with the whole world watching. two questions rise from the ashes of this american tragedy. who shot first and who started the fires? it began innocently enough. in 1935, a small religious group moved to waco. an offshoot of the seven-day adventist church, they eventually called themselves the branch davidians. >> had pretty stable leadership for a lot of years, and they were known in town as a somewhat bizarre but benign religious group that pretty much kept to themselves. >> the davidians bought property about ten miles east of town, built a compoun

if you look at how they look at waco and ruby ridge, where the government set the fire at waco, and where government opened fire on a woman holding a baby at ruby ridge. you know, they -- that type of kind of irresponsible action by the government has helped drive these guys. they look at those. they talk about these things. they want to try to be memori memorialized in a similar way. they don't want to be the ones who are going to look like the bad guys in this. >> that's exactly where i want to go next, and spencer sunshine i'll talk to you directly after the break. let's say you are a manager at the bureau of land management, or the president of the united states, after years of arguments over the extent of federal control of western land, armed men up the anti. can you allow an armed group of volunteers to flout federal authority if there seems to be little risk in doing so? can you hope they will get bored and no home, rather than risk the loss of life. armed politics. say with us, it's inside story. ♪ ♪ >>> welcome back to "inside story." i'm ray suarez. we're looking at armed polit

on that day, waco occurs in 1993.en two years later, mcveigh blows up his truck bomb in front of the murrah building. >> at some point, fortier decides to not take part in the bombing. in fact, in a later plea bargain, he will agree to testify against his co-conspirators. in march 1995, mcveigh creates a fake driver's license with the name robert d. kling and a birth date of april 19th, 1972. on april 14th, mcveigh buys the yellow 1977 mercury marquis from a used car dealer in junction city, kansas. the next day, mcveigh reserves the ryder truck from elliotts body shop using the robert d. kling alias. on april 16th, mcveigh and nichols drive the mercury to oklahoma city. mcveigh parks it several blocks away from the murrah building. he removes the license plates from the car and leaves a note. not abandoned. please do not tow. will move by april 23rd. needs battery and cable. two days later, mcveigh and nichols rendezvous at geary lake state park near junction city where they assemble the bomb in the truck. >> the amm

>> i notice a couple of them are talking about the shootout in waco.f curiosity, have you both been in places where things like that have happened, like fire fights or melees or anything like that? >> no. >> no comment? just wondering. i mean, can you -- what do you do in those situations? do you just -- no comment? okay. still, no luck. >> what's up? you're supposed to be a professional. >> but the next day i catch up with dead man and one of his brothers, soldier, who are more willing to open up. soldier, you're the one that introduced dead man to the club. >> yes, i did. i always said i wasn't going to bring nobody in the club but me and him got history together. >> but you always said you weren't going to bring anyone in? >> yeah. >> why is that? >> it's a big responsibility. you got to vouch for somebody that may not make a lifetime commitment. i take this as a lifetime, it's either death of prison. i'm not going nowhere. >> that's serious, death or prison. >> that's how i live my life for this club. if i could die for my brother to live or go to

waco you had the execution of a search warrant and an arrest warrant.e indianapolis baptist temple, seizure of property. in the brown case in new hampshire, you had not only a fugitive warrant but seizure of property. you don't have that instance here. what we learned is if you just back off, let them sit there in self-imposed exile, and once the press goes away, they are going to get bored, tired and cold. they are going to eventually go home. that is exactly what's happened in these other cases. >> real quick, other than waiting them out, what are the nonlethal ways to force them out? do they cut the power to the building where they are holed up? >> that is one plan. do surveillance. they can do drone surveillance to identify all the individuals that are there. they can get with the u.s. attorney's office to figure out what charges can be brought. right now, i only seems like possibly destruction of government property or federal trespassing would be the main thing to come to mind right now. there are things that can make them uncomfortable. really, o

in waco, that lasted 52 days.as chris mentioned the decision to end that came because children were being abused inside, young girls were being offered to david koresh and they were hearing that on microphones and after a while the attorney general said that's enougheer going to end this thing and hopefully peacefully. koresh shot the children in the head and set the fire. koresh is responsible for the disaster that ensued at that location. it's a much different situation. >> these guys have broke the law. i mean, what they're doing is illegal. that is not their property. they moved in and have taken it over. should they face charges for that or does that make bundy a sympathetic figure? >> they are obviously trying to make him a sympathetic figure. they were emboldened in 2013 when the bureau of land management walked away. they were in a bad tactical situation. there were snipers on hill tops. they were in a tough spot. this is a series of low-level provocations that has culminated in the takeover of these build

the word waco comes up quite often when they start hearing words like takeover. are you worried this is going to end that way? >> no. nope. america isn't going to tolerate another waco. >> but you're the only ones here. america is at home. >> yeah, well, there's a neat quote from world war ii that said we can't do that because there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass. >> the armed group said the federal government is illegally grabbing land and they want to give it back to local ranchers and farmers. >> i think it's time for people to be talking about these issues. i think that they can do it in a nonviolent way, that could be worthwhile. >> the group's leader comes from a long line of mormons, but in a statement, the mormon church said they are deeply troubled by the reports that those who seize the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. this occupation can no way be justified on a scrip churl basis. >> and there is an interesting footnote to this story, the leader of the group who has a reputation for battling the gover

nope american isn't going to tolerate another waco." (sara sidner/princeton, oregon) "but you're the only ones here america is at home." ( jason patrick/protester) "yeah well there is a neat quote from world war two that said we can't do that because there is a rifle behind every blade of grass." the armed group says the federal government is illegally grabbing land and they want to give it back to local ranchers and farmers. burns resident) "i think its time for them to talk about these issues. if they can do it in a non- violent way it will be worthwhile." the group's leader, ammon bundy is a nevada rancher who comes from a long line of mormons. but in a statement the mormon church says they are: "...deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. this armed occupation can in no way be justified on a scriptural basis." the group is made up of men and women mostly from nevada and arizona. and while they do not call themselves anti-government. they are

. >> waco. >> and waco, of course. the bottom line is you don't know. when people are carrying guns and talking about hunkering down and they will take action, then you have to believe them. >> okay. earlier i spoke with our justice correspondent even perez, and this is what he said about some of the law enforcement reaction -- >> the fbi, which has jurisdiction, because this is a federal building that has been taken over by an armed group, they're taking -- keeping a very low profile on this. it's a very unusual situation obviously. they seem to be wanting to lower the temperature. they don't want to make a confrontation, which is what this group appears to want. they seem to want some kind of confrontation that perhaps will draw even more support from the wider militia movement. it's important to note that even members of the militia groups around the country, a lot of them seem to be distancing themselves, they're not quite sure that this is right way to go. >> matthew fogg back with us, you see the caution, in direct contact with ruby ridge, waco, f

in 1992, in waco -- sorry, 1993 in waco, federal agents tried to serve a ar warrant to the people whoas and shots rang out and 82 people i think was the total, more than 80 people ended up dead. a year before that in ruby ridge, idaho, not far from here, there was another bloody altercation, there seems to be a propensity for a violent end where there are mostly white contingents holding properties. because of that history, law enforcement plays it very safe. and that's why there's some freedom of movement. they don't want to escalate the situation by putting pressure on it themselves. >> but tony, in none of those cases did the people involved in the siege just decide, well, we're going to go into town in waco and we're going to go to the big restaurant in town and we don't care how many federal agents are out there trying to get us. we're going to do that. so obviously this situation is completely different from those. and there's plenty of reason to now get the feeling that these people, you know, do not have anything behind their threats. and what would prevent authorities from go

up to waco. and there is going to be a front boundary approaching the state. we may squeeze out a dry day tomorrow. late in the day shooting across the golf and moving into the bay area by this time. we'll track it for sure. this is an interesting map. >> and you have the imagery can you see they are in white. and the west. and can you see how this is from the atlantic across florida and across the gulf then all the way into the pacific. nino. the problem is that some days are fine but sooner or later there will be something rolling along the jet that will bring severe weather. it will track. it would be a storm passing that may produce a squall line and we'll watch for that. not bad. you have 60s and 70s. dew points back into the mid-60s. we'll see areas of fog developing add low clouds. we cloud up with rain late in the day and in the 70s. the rain ends sunday should be okay. and colder weather arrives next the dew point is 65. a west northwest wind at 3 will expand and moving away from our state. there is the frontal boundary producing rain in chicago and s

america isn't going to tolerate another waco. >> but you're the only ones here. america is at home. >> there's a neat quote from world war ii that said we can't do that because there will be a rifle behind every blade of group. >> reporter: they say the federal government is illegally grabbing land, and they want to give it back to local rarjers and farmers. >> i think it's time for people to be talking about these issues. i think if they can do it in a nonviolent way, it's worthwhile. >> reporter: the group's leader is a rancher. in a statement the mormon church says they are deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. this armed occupation can in no way be justified in a scriptural basis. the group is made up of men aim women. they are opposed to the bureau of land management, a federal agency. >> stay with us for more "cnn newsroom" after this short break. i know i'm getting the best price on this? we'll match any competitors price. what about this? price match guarantee.

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the indictment also accused the gang leaders of raising dues days after the waco shooting to pay the legal expenses of its members. police say a man shot and killed a two year old before turning the gun on himself. 20-hour standoff with police in georgia. officers say the man got into a fight with his girlfirend. swat team members entered the house but not the bedroom where the woman and the 2-year-old were in with the man. then they heard the gunshots. "i don't know what lead to the shooting or what prompted the suspect to begin firing. that's something we're going to be investigating." another son, a teenager, got out of the house safely. a trench collapses, killing a contractor. police say the trench collapsed on the man as he and others were laying utility lines wednesday morning in altoona. the des moines fire department was called to help what was first a rescue effort that later turned into a recovery operation. no other workers were hurt. a semi driver survives after his truck goes over a bridge and into the water. the virginia beach marine patrol pulled the driver out of the

not wanting a prolonged armed standoff - or tragedies like waco and ruby ridge. but not everyone in the town of 7000 supports the militia's tactics. jordan says: "it's sort of frightening when there are people making threats and people toting guns." calzadilla says: "what they are doing is actually hurting their cause. i am sympathetic but the way they're going about this is disastrous." (springer on cam tag) the local sheriff says this is not a legitimate protest... but, rather, an attempt by this group to overthrow the local and federal government... the f-b-i is the lead law enforcement presence out here... but, over the weekend, it did issue a statement saying it's monitoring the situation... hoping to end it peacefully. at the malheur national refuge, i'm dan springer, fox news. senator harry reid is also weighing in on the standoff in oregon. "these people say we want to return to people. the people have it right now. all of you here. have this, its part of wonderful nation facilities around america." "but their day will come they cannot continue breaking t

remember last may in waco, texas, two gangs in a shootout that left nine people dead. >> but i guess with a crowd, it may take a while to come up with any arrests, huh? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. nobody in custody right now. police trying to talk to as many people as they can on the scene, but obviously, you had a lot of people scattering there. so it could take quite some time to figure out exactly what happened. >> will carr from the west coast newsroom, thank you. >>> on the west coast now, an intense manhunt for escaped inmate is now over in california. arresting the two remaining f g fugitives after the third escapee turned himself in. they were in a parked stolen van. the three men broke out of the maximum security jail in southern california a little more than a week ago. >>> well, there is certainly a lot of talk about the battle between donald trump and ted cruz ahead of the caucuses. but analysts are also keeping a close eye on marco rubio. could guy on the left of your screen, the florida senator, pull off an iowa surprise? >> good question. and as we close in on 2016,

they need a waco to get them to act.hey're not going to act unless they see the government step over that line. and what's worrying is, when you have these groups, and this groups a splinter off of the main patriot group trying to create new waco situation with the hopes that it will spark further violence. >> interesting. that's their intention, to spark a confrontation. appreciate you helping us walk through this. >>> coming up ahead -- >> this isn't very reassuring. >> people on board a jetblue flight spot a drone flying nearby. what happened? we'll have details after this. child: ♪ i want to eat, eat, eat apples and bananas ♪ ♪ i need to eat, eat, eat apples and bananas ♪ ♪ why can't i eat, eat, eat... ♪ scarlett johansson: one in 5 children struggles with hunger in america. support the feeding america nationwide network of food banks to help provide meals to those in need. join us at feedingamerica.org. >>> the faa is now investigating a pair of drone sightings over boston's logan airport. the second incident happen

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they don't want a prolong standoff but they are hoping to avoid what happened in waco and ruby ridge. >>> utah you woman accused of faking disappearance of her own daughters is talking about why she planned this all. >> so she says that she fake their disappearance so they wouldn't go live in kansas with their dad won custody of the children. authorities found them safe inside their doubt are's home more than a year after they reported her missing. authority have been searching for them the whole time. for a year. in 2014, their mom said, that she had dropped off the girls at the mall and they weren't there when she went back to get them. it turns out it was all a ploy. >> i feel like this amount of time is the only thing that would save them because they need it, to have some peace. >> so police say while they understand the the the mother's desire to protect their daughters a judge ruled that their father does have custody. >>> reassuring for parents who use fertility treatment to conceive, some good news, it is coming up. >>> but first, here's a look at your winning lottery numbers

. >>> you may remember back in may, rival bike gangs opened fire on each other in a restaurant in waco, texas, nine people were killed rths another 18 were injured. >>> of course, you can find the

. >> whenever i see gun-free zone, i see a flag for the wacos to come in and shoot people. >> reporter: trump betting tone and $2 million a week in advertising could push him to a victory as his closest competitor takes a different tact. >> if every one of you gets nine other people to show up at caucus, you have voted ten times. that's how we win iowa. that's how we win the primary. >> reporter: ted cruz kicking off a six-day 36-county tour of iowa. still playing nice with trump as his super pac takes shots at marco rubio. >> i know i have a debate, but i got to get this fantasy football thing right. >> reporter: rubio's team defending their light hearted video and firing back at cruz over his pop culture proclivities. >> do not say that name. i can't hear you. >> reporter: rubio's senior adviser tweeting fantasy football unpresidential, but quoting entire scenes from princess bride is, what, reagan-esque? the target on cruz's back growing as iowa nears. 2012 iowa caucus winner, rick santorum, mocking filibustering in a new tv ad. >> i do not like green eggs and ham, i do not like the

the cyclones will go to waco february 16th where they'll try to avoid back to back season sweeps by the baylor bears. the iowa state women also at home hosting kansas.. cyclones trailing for most of the first quarter.. but look at the acrobatic-scoop layup from jadda buckley.. the mason city- native finished with 12 clones up three after one.. second quarter bridgett carlton adding to the lead with a 3 iowa state up 8. still in the second lead now only 3 kidd blaskowsky with a triple from the corner finds the bottom of the bucket pushing isu back up 6. third quarter bri fernstrom posting up and finishing with the lefty lay in. she had 12 this afternoon. now deja vu fernstrom inside puts it up gets the friendly hilton roll and one she'd make it play. then in the fourth-- seanna johnson the offensive board after the miss by buckley-- she puts it back up and in... iowa state comes out with a win 65 to 49. jon: this season the des moines bucaneers have been good enough to sit right around 500. they're 14-14 and 2 coming into their showdown with sioux falls. the stampede sit in 2nd place in

the cyclones will go to waco february 16th where they'll try to avoid back to back season sweeps by the baylor bears. we go out to jordan furbee who was at the game today for more. "up 11 midway thru the 2nd half, you can't help but feel iowa state let one slip away. baylor shot 61% in the 2nd half and made key free throws down the stretch to stun the cyclones here at hilton. "we sort of got punched in the mouth and we need to do a better at responding. but coach has been preaching to us, building on our foundation. and this is a learning experience, as much as it is a learn and come together and get stops and rebounds and punch them back, so i think this is a learning experience, we can learn from this and we can really move forward." "i mean you can go through a million scenarios, the kansas city chiefs were 1-5 and they haven't lost in 10 weeks. so you don't panic, you stay the course. been in a lot worse situations than this before and came out great and we'll figure it out." next up for isu, two straight road games starting tuesday at texas. from hilton coliseum, i'm jf, local 5 sp

and the the communities on edge, and it is bringing to the mind other actions like ruby ridge and wacoand those turned out terribly and so what is in store for those in oregon? that is next. boy: once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. one day, it started to rain and rain. water got inside and ruined everybody's everythings. the house thought she let the family down. but the family just didn't think a flood could ever happen. the reality is, floods do happen. protect what matters. get flood insurance. call the number on your screen to learn more. >>> schools are shutdown. neighbors on edge. this is in oregon where a group of anti-government protesters are on hand to protest the sentence of two ranchers accused of arson, but their claim of government land grabs is going back many years, and what they are hoping to gain is not really clear yet. sarah s sara sidner is there, and you have had a chance to speak to the leader of the protest about what he and the others are doing. did they clarify anything to you? >> yes. actually, ed bundy is here in charge of the

a gup fight broke out in waco texas, nine people died in that firefight and referred to police. >>> the chipotle restaurant chain, being has been indicted. federal investigators are investigating the outbreak, in simi valley, california. hundreds got sick after eating at chipotle restaurants an the country. >>> ken griffey and mike piazza were elected to the national baseball hall of fame. it was griffey's first time on the ballot. piazza was elected after his fourth time on the ballot. would like to know what those who didn't vote for gratifiy were thinking. next is "inside story." house, the president brought it up. gun rights advocates, keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. and what is less clear is how you do that, in a way that comports with privacy laws, and the second amendment. is all of the talk about mental illness and deadly firepower attractive because it tries to supply easy answers to really difficult questions?

phillip, you say this has all the makings of another waco. this is dangerous.o if they're armed, they're ignorant of the law, they're willing to lay down their lives to something they believe in which is wrong, b this could escalate. how should the federal government respond? >> i think it's important that the federal government does what they're doing now which is taking an arm' length approach. they're not engaging them directly. we don't see a large police presence there right now. we're told it's moefk mostly media and the public isn't directly threatened. right now, i think they're going to be content to wait this thing out. they do not want another waco. that's the last thing the federal government needs. i think if they wait them out, the odds are that a lot of these people will lose interest and go home. i don't know if that's going to happen. the possibility exists that this could, in fact, escalate and we can see people like minded flock to the area and potentially, don, make things worse. they're welcoming people into the compound as we speak. we hea

there were was a shootout in waco texas between rival motorcycle gangs.ine people killed and 18 injured. another tragedy in a movie theater in lafayette, louisiana, where a man killed two people and injured nine others. in october, a gunman killed eight students in oregon. later that day, a visibly frustrated obama spoke to the nation. >> somehow this has become routine. he reporting is routine. my response here at this podium ends up being routine. >> but the year was not over yet, and it would finish with a new threat. the mass shooting in intern, california, was the deadliest in the u.s. since 2012. authorities say the husband and wife shooters who were killed at the scene were radicalized over several years. in total, 21 people were injured and 14 were killed. >> back here in france, a week of commemorations have now got under way for the victims of the so-called charlie hebdo attacks in paris last january. 17 people were killed at various sites around the capital in three days of violence. here is our report. reporter: a quiet ceremony outside the fo

the federal government doesn't want to engage with people and have a bloody massacre as they did in waco or ruby ridge. i'm starting to hear from other experts this is starting to look more like a rope-a-dope strategy, they were allowing bundy, the bundys and the relationship to believe they could do anything, believe they could go anywhere. and in this particular case, they became so confident in their ability that no one was going to stop them that they decided to get into this convoy and go on a very desolate, isolated road which, you know, if any of us put some thought into it, we would have seen this coming. i don't think any of us expected this, myself included. i was not anticipating this happening, in fact, i only got a call from a source maybe about 15 minutes before it was announced that this was going on, so, you know, there's been a lot of criticism toward law enforcement for the strategy. we're going to have to wait and see and see, perhaps, that perhaps they took a very active strategy and that it worked. we don't know that, but that's something that we're going to have to

joined now by jim cavanaugh, former hostage negotiator who worked on the stand-off in waco, texas, andresident of the southern poverty law center. richard, give me the basics of what you know about these various activists out west, very much anti-government activists of sorts. what's their background and how long whether it's the bundy family or others, how active are they? >> this has been going on for years, chuck. there's been a lot of tensions between the federal government and other ranchers out west over land-use issues. the bundy incident was the most incendiary, the stand-off that you referred to. and there have been no prosecutions since that time. there were people, armed men, pointing guns at federal agents and no prosecutions resulted. when the federal government backed down, they saw it as a tremendous victory. and since that time we've seen a real increase in the number of armed militias out there, from about 200, to about 275. so what's happening now in oregon, i think, is a really predictable result of what happened on the bundy ranch in april of 2014. >> jim, let me ge

and obviously there's ruby ridge and there's waco. there's actual precedent here. but also, that's -- that is the argument that a lot of people marshal for the second amendment, that basically that's why we should be able to have guns, so we could do something like this and scare off the federal government. >> i think it's more that we should -- we should be able to have guns to protect ourselves when somebody gets all up in our grill. it's not necessarily so we can trespass armed and take over a shack in eastern oregon -- >> but no, i think that is. look, when you trace the roots of arguments about the second amendment to the sort of -- their base, which is about the idea that like the government should be scared of the people rather than the people scared of the government, it comes down to the fact that this is a way of essentially break the state's monopoly on violence so we have a possibility of insurrection in this bird sanctuary. >> i mean, taking ben's comment, which is a very interesting moment in our history, when ronald reagan and the nra were in favor o

carson spoke to reporters before holding a reception in waco, texas today. he said america is losing economic mobility under the obama presidency, sigh, but that the president just won't address that. >> but also i'm very concerned about the fact that, you know, the current generation is the first generation in america expected not to do better than their parents economically, and that is a trend that is future, unless we do something about it, and we can't stick our heads in the sand and just say everything is rosy when it is not. >> the state of the union address begins tonight at 6:00. you can watch it here on news 4. >>> let's switch gears and get a look at what is happening with our weather as we take a peek outside tonight. madison corney joins us with our first look at the forecast, and it will be a changing forecast here pretty soon, madison. >> that's right. we're already starting to see the clouds increasing and we're going to continue to see that until the storm hits early tomorrow morning. here is a look at current conditions in reno with mostly

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. >>> you may remember back in may, rival bike gangs opened fire on each other in a restaurant in waco, texas, nine people were killed rths another 18 were injured. the bikers were attending a meeting in the area. >>> of course, you can find the very latest information on the shooting at the motorcycle xpo, when you visit thedenverchannel.com. or when you download the denver7 app. >>> taking a live look outside, right now, at our cdot camera at u.s. 6th and sheridan in denver, roads are wet, you can see the snowflakes out there. tonight and how much snow is falling? >>reporter: well, a lot of snow is falling in a short amount of time. this has been an inch. if you look over here, i went snow shopping, and look what i found in my cart, about this much snow that's fallen, not sure how much that is, inch and a half? if you look over there, look at the car, you can see the cumulation, it lnt been snowing that long here -- it hadn't been snowing that long here. and the flakes are huge now. they think this snow is good for making snow balls, let's test that out quickly. yeah, that's pretty g

they are very concerned about their lives in waco, we now know that the fbi is now in the charge, thebi is the wrong agency, a because they skipped over the sheriff, the local politician, the state police, the state representatives, the congressman, the senator here in this local state. they have gone to the fbi, well, we know what the fbi does, when you have men, women, and children, in a situation like this, they will kill these people. so for defensive reasons even if they are armed, i would say it is appropriate to defend themselves. from what the fbi ultimately intends to do. >> so we do know that the citizens for constitutional rights are armed, we don't know how many there are, we think about two dozen, but we have seen many trucks going in and out on this frontage road. you can see going into the compound, they may be bringing food. they are taking a wait and see attitude at this point, but last night, the citizens did call out for snacks. back to you. >> if you would back up for a moment and tell us why these protestors are there in the place. >> sure. as you can see, behind

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law enforcement's less aggressive approach reflects lessons learned from deadly showdowns at waco and ruby ridge in the early 90's. the occupiers' leaders are the sons of cliven bundy who was involved in a 2014 nevada standoff with the government over grazing rights. a u-s servicemember has been killed in action in afghanistan. the unnamed soldier and two others were in a med-evac helicopter that was damaged during a mission. the three soldiers came under fire before a rescue helicopter could retrieve them. none of the solders' names have been released. the flood waters are receding in giant mess left behind. paul schankman has that story from eureka, missouri. its the yellow sign you never want to see on someplace you love. :57 just got here today its blood sweat and tears... all gone... everything my family has worked so hard for... her family is the odell family of odells irish pub ... out of business for now from the flood they tried to beat... that instead beat them. 12 25 i think it is going to be heavy on a lot of people. i know it is going to be heavy on us. its a 3-4000 dolla

right to rise usa randy: that is some waco: the chasm. the pep rally was to celebrate the end of a school food drive. >> show was what you were up to at school on the front page of -- wcvb. cindy: talk about wild temperatures. yesterday felt so nice, up to 45. the average high is 36, so we were above average yesterday and will be again today, and still above on friday, but the temperatures will be cooler. lots of sunshine, but the clouds will be coming in on friday, and eventually that may lead to some drizzle and early saturday may be cold enough north and west of i-95 that it will be freezing on contact. on sunday, we warm way up with a soaking rain, temperatures in the 50' s. the record in boston is 56, 53 in worcester. we will be close to that with starting out with lots of 20' s, stir to boston. -- worcester to boston. notice on the cape, it is in the 20' s. i think you will be above freezing by 8:00 or 9:00, and in the 40' s this afternoon. we go from bright sunshine to mark cloud cover in the afternoon and it still will be mostly s

. >> the feds were reluctant to end with use of force given what happened in waco, texas. are you surprised it ended this way with a gun battle and death? >> i am surprised and it is unfortunate. despite what you think of the underlying issues addressed here, you don't want want to see a fatality. and from the law enforcement prospective you can't just day because. you have to show a lethal threat against them that caused deadly force. otherwise they have a problem on their hands. >> i think that the arrested protestors will likely be be in jail and not likely to get bail? >> not likely. when you look at the factors of them being a flight risk and they showed defiance when authorities told them to leave the refuge and they refused to leave. and in fact, they were going to committee to rekraut others to join the movement. and they were armed. they are a clear flight risk and danger to themselves and others and i don't see that the judge will release them. >> another point to piggyback. the defense lawyer would say, let them deputy and light of the tragedy that happen to the

. >> yes, one of the lessons they learned after waco and ruby ridge is one to use local authorities whenever possible which is why the local sheriffs are taking the lead in meeting with the activists. and second, if you don't have to escalate the standoff, don't escalate it, right? which is what makes the governor's comments concerning. charles: they're concerning too, i guess on the other side of this jillian, people are saying the longer you let this linger, the more you are inviting this to happen over and over again. cliven bundy didn't pay a penalty for running from the government. it's a double-edged sword to a degree. >> on the one hand you have the incentive of more protests, on the other hand, when the government makes people feel backed into a corner like this, that is something we need to address, too. if people feel the government is abusing its power, and they have no other recourse, that's going to lead to the situation more so than an extended standoff. charles: you're right. steve, if you beneath the surface what i see is you've got a government first of all, people would be

it shouldn't happen in waco or oregon.ave been for the militarizing all of the different branches in government. there was a democrat that was run off the road, flown to the ground, boots on his back, and was hauled away to jail in alaska because he mailed a package that was supposed to go ground only. he didn't know there was a regulation that said you have to put a sticker with an airplane with a line through it. because he didim not put a sticker on. those are the kind of thing we need to stop. host: i don't know if trinidad, texas, is in your district. guest: it is south. host: talking about john joe gray. oregon standoff just started. he was a carpenter and militia who was charged in 2000 and released in 2000 and has been living at his home since then. are you familiar? guest: i hadn't seen "the times" this morning. that is incredibly abusive. was readingweldon on the floor about the fbi having information before 9/11 and was calling the fbi out. right before his election they front public invasion serving a warrant o

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he said his troubles began 22 years ago when he complained about the fbi at the waco siege and he claims he was followed and harassed by the fbi and he felt strongly against abortion and that all lead to the attack. in court he claimed that the court records have been sealed, so after admitting he was the gunmen, he called us from jail. he said the armed assault is not calculated for that day. >> they wanted to come for me and start a war. >> he claims fbi agents were following him that morning. >> i was going to pick where i wanted to make my last stand. and that was it. he claimed the fbi to start - - tipped off the clinic that he was coming. they knew everything about me. do dirty work. >> reporter: he has been ordered into a competency hearing he will not cooperate. he said that he expected to die that day but he chose to give up. said he claims the fbi was harassing him by cutting holes in his clothes and he claimed more on his ability to stand trial. >>> new deed of - - details of a teenager planning an attack on highlands ranch. the records remain sealed until the end of march whi

i don't see another waco, because i think ultimately people realize that there are other ways to work out their grievances attorney cause long term standoffs which don't accomplish anything except getting people arrested and putting a lot of people in danger. >> retired f.b.i. agent jeff lanza joining us, thank you for being with us. >>> this week president obama announced his effort to reform america prisons, taking efforts to ban solitary confinement for some juveniles in federal jails. the change will only affect a handful of teenage inmates. >> president barack obama has made criminal justice reform a top priority for his final months in office. he is the only president to visit a federal jail and he is making changes for solitary confinement for juvenile offenders. writing an editorial, he said research suggests that solitary confinement has the potential to lead to devastating lasting psychological consequences, linked to withdrawal, an inability to interact with others and potential for violent behavior. he highlighted it in a speech last year. >> do we think it makes sense to