the wadda commission wants to ban him for life, because they indicate that the corruption went to the highest levels of the sport. and the world track and field governing body suspended russia indefinitely, possibly through the upcoming summer games. >> it was more extensive than we thought. we had radio and audio records from people in the system. >> they need a complete cleanup. and in terms of 2016, i hope that we'll be standing in a 100% clean women's 800-meter final. >> technically, wada's vote is not final, but it's one more hurdle that russia has to overcome if it wants to compete in 2016. >> joining me now, richard pound, the president of the world anti-doping commission, and president of the international olympic committee. what was the smoke that first encouraged people to look for fire if how were suspicions raised that something was wrong in the russian international program? >> some of these things, everybody knew was going on, and we could never get actual hard evidence on. it was a he said, she said information, and then we got information from whistle blowers, that hav