wade. the alabama bill bans nearly all abortions making it a felony punishable by up to 99 years or life in prison for those providing the abortion >> when people's rights are under attack, what do we do? >> stand up, fight back. >> reporter: democrats argue against the legislation's constitutionality on the senate floor. >> republicans, you guys used to say we want the government out of our life. we want them out of our business. we want them out of our bedroom. now you're in my womb. i want you out. you don't control this. you don't own this. >> reporter: the law allows few exceptions. to avoid a serious health risk to the mother, ectopic pregnancy or if the child has a lethal anomaly democrats tried to add an amendment to allow abortions in cases of rape and incest, but it failed. >> a life is a life. even if its origins are in difficult situations, that life is still precious. life is a gift of our creator. we must do everything that we can to protect life. >> reporter: republican lawma

that's significant what it could mean for roe vs wade. terry collins makes no bones about it, called it a direct attack onhe 1973 u.s. supreme court ruling. she says it is about challenging the decision, protecting lives of the unborn. a message shared by other republicans in the state senate. >> a life is a life and even if it is in very difficult situations, that life is still precious. life is a gift of our creator, and we must do everything that we can to protect life. >> you might imagine, he is one of the people that voted for the bill, one of the men that voted for the bill. only men voted to support the bill, it is not sitting well with democrats in the alabama state senate taking issue with the 25 men in all. here is one of the opponents of the bill. >> republicans, y'all, you guys used to say we want the government out of our life. we want them out of our business. we want them out of our bedroom. now you in my womb. i want you out. you don't control this. you don't own this. >> does seem to be heading toward a showdown in the s

and roe vs wade would be one of the litmus tests? >> i do.ll changed all the rules when it comes to appointing justices. when mitch mcconnell decided president obama was not entitled to his supreme court justice, where merrick garland was denied a hearing and a vote, they changed the rules. president trump made clear he's had a litmus test. frankly, i believe in precedent, settled law. this is not just some regulatory issue. this is a basic fundamental human right of every female in this country. and you are telling them that men in legislatures across america should get to decide when they have children, how many they have, and what types of health care they may have access to. we are rolling back the clock decades. if they were doing this on any other issue, you would see a ground swell of outrage. i'm telling you, women have been marching against this president since he was inaugurated. global women's marches. for years now. you saw women turn up to the polls in 2018, flipping the house of representatives because bold women ran across this

, 5796, wade, a clear majority of americans, 57%, think that roe vs wade should stand.kes the idea of pleasing his conservative base, particularly christian conservative base, who wa nts to ba n christian conservative base, who wants to ban abortion, upsetting 57% of the population could have political risks for him to. that is one that will run and run. here is another one. brexit. theresa may's government has set a date for another brexit vote in parliament — week commencing thejune 3rd — which should be quite busy. that's the week we have donald trump in town — it is also the week of the keenly fought peterborough by—election. katty kay will also be here — probably more focused on trump than peterborough. just a little. it is not quite the same as a fourth vote on theresa may's deal. instead, this will be a vote on the brexit withdrawal bill, the legislation that would give effect to that international treaty in uk law. for instance, it would give ministers the power to make divorce payments to the eu; as part of the financial settlement. there might be reference to

wade. u.s. embassy staff moved out of iraq as the white housent ues to claim a heightened threat from iran. and mapping the wood wide web. scientists are digging deep tocl help combat imate change. jane: welcome to our viewers on public television in america and around the globe. the state of alabama is gaining global attention tonight after senators there passed the most restrictive abortion law in the country. iy outlaws nearly all abortions even in cases of rape and incest. the only exemption, when a woman's health is seriously at risk. itwa nows the governor's signature, and supporters have made it clear they want this case to go all the way to the supreme court as a challenge to roe v. wade. the bbc's aleem maqbool is in alabama and he starts our coverage. >> my bo!! >> my choi >> my body! >> my choice! aleem: all eyes were on alabama fogn of where america is heading as its senators did this. >> house bill 314 passes aleem: that bill all but outlaws abortion in the state at any stage o

wade. the measure passed last night in a republican-controlled senate in alabama effectively bans abortion in every stage of pregnancy. it makes it a felony punishable by up to 99 years in prison for a doctor to perform an abortion. the only exception on the law in any stage of the pregnancy is for a case where the mother's health is in serious risk and includes no exceptions in case of rain or incest. after hours of impassioned debate, the bill passed 25-6 in the senate down there. the bill's sponsor in the house was clear about the ultimate goal with the measure. what they are up to with this bill. >> my goal is to have roe vs. wade de -- turned over and that decisionability to be able to sent back to the states. >> upon signing the bill, kay ivy ran this bill closely resembles an abortion ban that has been part of alabama law for over 100 years. as for the bill itself, it recognizes the long standing abortion law is rendered unenforceable by the court decision in roe v. wade. no matter w

wade. what about amy comey barrett. she said that wade had been ee ee -- erroneously decided. a lot of these judges are not just against abortion. they are against contraception. she is on the bench for life. amy comey barrett who said that is on the bench for life and on president trump's short list for the supreme court. and let's not forget justice kavanaugh who refused to affirm that roe was settled law and now sits on the one body with the power to overturn it. just last week, republicans confirmed wendy vitter who said planned parenthood kills 150,000 a year and wants to push the idea that contraceptives cause cancer. and we have more coming down the pipeline. soon the senate may consider the nomination of stephen clark who belonged to an organization called lawyers for life, and he once compared roe v. wade to the dred scott case. so republicans are playing a cynical long game here. they refused to comment on the antiabortion bills but are content to install antichoice judges across

wade. and so we believe in alabama that baby in the womb is a person. that's a part of our life. >> reporter: unlike those cases that you mentioned that are being challenged as early as today by lawsuits filed by the likes of the aclu, here in alabama, they defined the moment that an abortion would be illegal when a woman learns that she is pregnant. so that could be weeks into a pregnancy, months into a pregnancy. by not having that fetal heartbeat, they believe that it will actually allow the supreme court to recognize life exists rather than trying to put a specific timetable on the moment that life begins. does it begin at conception, another moment in a pregnancy? so the folks who put together the bill here say this was all designed to go to the supreme court, one they anticipate the governor here will sign and in the coming days. >> what is her view? is it going to inform others? there's nothing to suggest she's against this bill. is it all about whether it would hold up to court chal

wade being overturned? >> well with the turnover in the supreme court we should be concerned about that. i think there was a deliberate effort to put the court more on the conservative side, arguably a lot more on the conservative side so i'm worried about that. >> to your big news today, congresswoman, as an air force veteran and we are grateful that you are launching the service women and veterans congressional caucus. the first caucus that addresses the issues facing our women warriors. tell me why this is so important and how you're going to help these women. >> thank you. and it is a caucus first of its kind and 54 and started by four of us who served in the military in one form or another with the realization this is the first time that we've doubled the number of women of service in congress which now is four. so with that revelation, we decided that we need the -- need to think about the arc of a woman's career from recruitment to active-duty service to reserve duty potentially on to being a veteran

wade?nd. 21% said, overturn it. >> and wolf, only a third of republicans say, overturn roe v. wade. so this isn't a popular idea within the republican party. and i think, you know, the question is, of course, it's going to be a part of presidential politics. but i think that if republicans in the state of alabama believe that this is going to be helpful to donald trump in the long term, i don't -- i don't see it going there. i mean, you have an american public that says, let it stand. you have a republican party that says, overwhelming majority. i don't want to get -- we don't want to get involved in this. so where does this, where does this end up? and it gives the democrats an issue. i mean, the supreme court is always an issue. now it becomes more of an issue. >> bianna, where do you see this heading? >> it says something that when even pat robertson says the alabama bill and republicans went too far this time with this bill. look, from everything we know about chief justice roberts, he'

wade is done. this case designed to work its way uo the court and get some kind of a ruling. >> he called it a rush job. there's little question that there is a race in some of these very conservative states to be the first to poke at the supreme court to try to get this to the supreme court. whether or not this is going to be the one, of course, there was a law that was just passed and signed into law in georgia, less restrictive than alabama, but still pretty restrictive. we'll see. as i was listening to him and as i'm hearing you i'm actually thinking about, you know, not that long ago, several months ago, talking to senator susan collins, republican, of maine, who voted for brett kavanaugh, who is for abortion rights and said publicly she said that she heard this from him privately, she said to me in an interview i am convinced that he is going to stand by precedent. as you said, that was something that people were hearing about -- thinking about a legal -- an abstract legal discussion. well, i

it's the most restricted since roe versus wade was passed.t would criminalize doctors for up to 99 years in jail. no exception for race or incest and put the doctor that's performing abortion care, which is health care in for jail longer than the rapist. make no mistake that this is part of a koords nate coordinato have one objective which is to ban all safe, legal abortion and the consequence is women's health. alabama, missouri, georgia have some of the worth health out comes for women already in the country. alabama, highest rate of cervical cancer. missouri, a thousands percent increase in syphilis. these politicians should not be calling themselves pro-life when they are doing everything they can to take away access to health care for women and families in their own states. we'll get into whether or not that is intention to get to the supreme court to undermine that. we're talking about really stopping legal abortions and forcing women to go as they had to go when i was a kid to illegal means which is a threat to their health and leads t

tonight we'll look at what this means for the women of alabama, the future of roe v wade, the effect this may have on 2020. we begin in washington because there is news tonight on the continued white house efforts to push back to defy democrats in congress just today came a 12-page letter from white house counsel pat to house judiciary committee chaiman jerry nadler. congress is not a law enforcement entity and has no standing to investigate the president. the white house counsel rejected requests for the records and testimony from current and former trump officials that house dems need to see and go through to investigate obstruction. goes on to write quote congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid and evaluate potential legislation, not to harass political opponents or pursue an unauthorized do over of exhaustive law enforcement investigations conducted by the department of justice. that do over reference there is a drive by reference to the mueller investigation. well, tonight that house judiciary chairman, the democrat from new york jerry nadler insis

wade. too many flaws in it. maybe it's the best thing it goes up there. >> reporter: the issue is sure to permiate the 2020 election cycle. kamala hair vice calling out republicans for inconsistency when it comes to women's health. >> the same kind of people who stand in the way of what women need to have access to issues like prenatal care. >> for more on this issue we're joined now by a professor of law at santa clara university. we appreciate you coming on to day. alabama is the latest to put forward the legislation, directly challenging roe v. wade. so i guess the question is what do you think the chances are this issue will be taken up by the supreme court? >> we, i think it's certainly going to be changed and brought before a lower federal court. i suspect if it's faithful to press dent underneath roe they'll be obligated to strike down the alabama law. the purpose of this law is really to set up confrontation at the supreme court with the hope that is the supreme court, i think, woul

supreme court decides that roe v wade needs to be overturned you know obviously if the u.s. supreme court decides that women in this country no longer have the right to make reproductive health decisions it's a major change for the worse for women in the united states we are going to fight to ensure that that does not happen we've had 50 years of a recognized right in this country for women to make those decisions for themselves with their doctors and with their family and this supreme court even with this change composition we think we'll recognize that this you know this development is not something that was predicted when donald trump won the presidency it's really it's been almost a sleeper event that has now erupted but he has been spending the past 2 years packing the court with conservative judges as well as 2 supreme court judges i mean that's where the power is at the end of the day you really do you don't have anything to contest that if you did you see this coming. i think those of us who care deeply about women's rights and reproductive choice have been worried a

wade. >>> the state department ordering nonemergency personnel out of iraq. the latest trouble as the u.s. deals with threats from iran. >>> the president says we are winning the trade war. is there a strategy to help american farmers who are growing desperate? >> i deserve to know what is on the airplane. >> i don't disagree. >> pilots have concerns for a boeing executive after the first crash of the 737 max. why weren't changes made sooner? hear the newly uncovered audio. good morning and welcome to "early start." i'm boris sanchez. >> i'm christine romans. it is wednesday, may 15th. it is 5:00 a.m. a near, total ban of abortion on the verge of becoming law in alabama. setting up what may be the supreme court battle that tests roe versus wade. this bill would punish doctors who perform abortion with life in prison. there are exceptions for serious health risks for the mother. no exceptions for rape. no exceptions for incest. lawmakers and supporters of the bill make no secret of their larger goal. >> is this goal designed, in any way, to go to the supreme c

wade. democratic state senator vivian by charis, one of four women serving in the chamber, introduced an amendment that would criminalize the vasectomies arguing there are no laws regulating men's bodies. it was defeated. more on the ongoing attack on reproductive rights around the country, later in the broadcast. amy: the state department has ordered all non-emergency personnel to evacuate the u.s. embassy and consulate in iraq. the order is in response to what the white house says is a threat linked to iran though no further details were given. iraqi officials expressed skepticism about and reported threats as did a senior british official who is the deputy commander of the american-led coalition fighting the islamic state. tensions between the u.s. and iran have continued to mount over recent days, despite both parties saying they are not seeking war. e u.s. recently deployoyed a carrieiestrike groupup and a bomberer task force e to the ren claimiming a credible e threatyy iranian n regi

it is a bill that tests roe versus wade.t would punish doctors that perform abortion with life in prison. there's exceptions with health risk to the mother. not in cases of rape or incest. lawmakers made no secrete of the larger goal. >> is this bill designed, in any way to go to the supreme court? >> it's designed in every way to do just that. >> this is the first time that the make up on the supreme court changed where there's possibly enough conservatives who believe roe v. wade is incorrectly decided. >> she has six days to sign the measure. she's not taken a side on it. the vote, condemned by alabama democrats. >> republicans, y'all used to say, we want the government out of our life. we want them out of our business. we want them out of our bedroom. y'all, you want them out of your bedroom, now you in my womb. i want you out. >> i apologize to the women of alabama for this archaic law we passed. a state that allows them to be raped and they have to carry that child. >> they will challenge the measure in court if it bec

wade. the measure now returns to missouri's house of representatives for another vote on the senate's changes. if approved in the house, it will then go to the governor. the news comes just hours after alabama governor kay ivy signed into law a near-total ban on abortion in her state. alabama's bill outlaws abortion at all stages of pregnancy, with no exceptions for rape or incest. the only exception in alabama is if the mother's health is in serious danger. now, the recent surge of anti-abortion legislation marks a direct challenge to the supreme court's 1973 landmark verdict roe v. wade. but despite state legislatures feeling emboldened, given the new conservative -- the supreme court's new conservative majority, these bills have a long legal road ahead of them in the lower courts. joining me now, katherine glenn foster is the president and ceo of americans united for life. katherine, good to have you here. thank you for being with us. >> pleasure to be here. >> i want to start with comme

wade. it makes abortion a felony. any doctor who performs it could face up to 99 years in prison. there are exceptions to avoid a serious health risk to the mother, for an ectopic pregnancy, when the egg attaches outside the uterus and if the unborn has some lethal anomaly. there are no exceptions for rape or increst. democratic amendment to add those exceptions failed. let me read this to you from the head of the alabama pro-life coalition who actually drafted the initial bill. he said while sympathetic and deals with, quote, very difficult issues, he says that it would jeopardize the legal standing on the bill. again, that failed. republican state senator who ushered this through said if a young, pregnant victim of increst or rape finds she's going to have a baby, she should talk to her parents and try to get justice. listen to a democratic alabama state senator this morning on new day. >> eye think it's a horrible bill still. i think we raped women last night, we made women of alabama th

wade. do you see it as a real possibility that the u.s. supreme court soon potentially could overturn roe v. wade? >> i think that it was a horrendous law that was passed in alabama. it was 25 guys who ended up voting in support of this law, and i think it's unconstitutional, and if the supreme court, to answer your question, if the supreme court upholds precedent as they should, then they'll strike it down. >> here's what she tweeted, cay ivy, just moments ago, today i signed into law the alabama human life protection act to the bill's many supporters this legislation stands as a powerful testament to alabamans' deeply held belief that every life is precious and every life is a sacred gift from god. do you want to respond to the governor? >> well, you know, i just -- i don't understand, wolf, how somebody makes that statement, that every life is precious, when these are the same people that are okay putting young kids in cages and separating babies from their mothers. how is it that you be

wade.id there convinced me that was not the intent. >> so you're mentioning receipts. let's play them to your point. this is central to the fight. is this the goal or not? let's look as you say at what donald trump promised? >> if we put another two or three justices on, that will happen. that will happen automatically in my opinion. i am putting pro-life justices on the court. >> the states are now seeing this as an opportunity to move these to the courts. but we are not helpless in this fight in the face of extreme injustice. we must organize and we must do the things that new york did. enshrining roe v. wade. and we go do that in congress bypassing a bill that protects women's reproductive rights and make that the federal law of the land. >> you are running for president and there's politics here. the supreme court did use this to overturn roe before the presidential campaign, do you think that would help the democratic nominee, whoever it would be? >> there are issues that i will not lo

wade. and also, we've seen the devastating effects of money and politics because the supreme court said that money is speech and corporations are people. being a president who would do all i could to get rid of the dirty money and the dirty maps that pollute our government, that is a priority for so many people, structurally, it's poisoning our democracy. >> eric swal well, really appreciate your time, thank you. >> thank you. >> my pleasure, ana. >>> let's go live to washington n now. alice, with a republican lawmaker now calling for trump's impeachment. is there any worry this could start to snowball within the party? >> no. and president trump was harsh in referring to amash as a loser. as swalwell just said, this is the road to impeachment. the mueller report showed no collusion, no conspiracy, and he wasn't able to come to a determination on obstruction of justice. without that, it's hard to move further on impeechlment when you don't have the underlying crime. this is one republican w

is roe versus wade in danger in your view. >> yes, roe versus wade is in danger.reme court a couple of days ago by 5-4 vote. maid clear by stare zies he is that you don't overrule prior decisions without good cause because they are no longer workable, things have changed is out the window. and i certainly think anybody in the senate who says she is pro choice and voted for brett kavanaugh will be shown up as either very short sighted or hypocritical. >> chairman nadler, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> and next trump's presidency reportedly taking a toll why it's no longer the thriving tower he loves to tout. >> trump tower is the most successful building in new york. >> plus trump's trade war killing a family's livelihood and costing him their votes in the heartland. (door bell rings) it's open! hey. this is amazing. with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay? even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. so i talked to my doctor about humira. i learned humira can help get, and keep uc under control when other medications

wade. >>> another plane goes down in alaska killing one person. it's the third in one week. >>> and aikakess floodwaters the d. >>> good morning from the studio 57 newsroom at cbs news headquarters here no new york. good to be with you. forward legislation to restrict abortion rights, a new cbs poll finds a majority of americans do not want roe versus wade overturned. 67% say the supreme court should keep it as it is. 28% say the court should overturn it. thousands hit the streets yesterday nationwide to support abort rights. laura podesta is here with how presidential candidates are now weighing in on this issue. lau laura, good morning. >> good morning, anne-marie. democratic front-runner joe biden says if it becomes necessary, he wants the abortion rights to be enshrined into federal law. that echos the words of other presidential candidates like kirsten gillibrand, cory booker, and elizabeth warren. president trump has only laid out his personal views on the involved or when a pregnant

wade.this bill designed in any way to go to the supreme court or how is it designed -- >> it's designed in every way to do just that. >> this is the first time in 46 years that the makeup on the supreme court has changed where there's possibly enough conservatives on there who would believe roe v. wade was incorrectly decided. >> exactly what would this alabama bill do? well, it bans abortion at every stage of pregnancy. a woman who seeks an abortion anyway would not be held criminally responsible for doing so. but her daughter or health care provider could face up to 99 years in prison for performing an abortion. and up to ten years for attempting one. the law only allows exceptions for serious health risks to the mother, for ectopic pregnancy, for example, and if the unborn child has a lethal anomaly. there is no exception for victims of rape or incest. alabama's republican governor says she needs to read and review the legislation before designing whether she will sign it. several other

. >> the issue of roe versus wade that was decided on which is the baby in the womb is a person. >> reporter: alabama's bill is stricter thansix other states that recently passed abortion bans. >> you aborted the state of alabama. you just raped alabama with this bill. >> reporter: senate minority leader bobby singleton says doctors who perform abortions could serve more time in prison than a woman's rapist. >> if doctors start walking out of the state and we start getting bad medical care and healthcare, we can't recruit anyone in the industry because you don't have great healthcare and doctors to come, don't blame nobody but yourselves. >> reporter: supporters believe exceptions would weaken a supreme court challenge but they could be added if roe v. wade is overturned. marc liverman, cbs news. >> none of the abortion bans passed are in effect yet. they are all facing extensive court challenges. and the aclu immediately announced it would sue to stop this one as well. if the governor, however, signs

wade. so let's put that to the side., the roe case in 1973 was actually the result of a test of a law that is very much like this law from texas. the court found 7-2 that constitutional rights to privacy and liberty allowed a woman to terminate her pregnancy if she so chose. the court architected a three-tier standard during a pregnancy, setting 24 weeks at the point at which a fetus becomes a viable person under the law with rights, allowing the state to incur, to change the laws of when you can get an abortion. the new alabama law actually harkens back to the old days pre-roe and even someone like pat robertson says this law is too much. >> i think alabama has gone too far. they've passed a law that would give a 99-year prison sentence to people who commit abortion. there is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> now, it's important to remembe

wade. brown v. board and roe v.ous cases that involve the constitution living up to its promise of equality to all people and they involve an actist lawyer model in the middle of the last century that the conservative legal movement has spent its entire tenure trying to undo. both are in the cross hairs. >> it's very interesting that, you know, senator richard blumenthal, michael, is saying that he believes that these nominees are being instructed by the trump administration to avoid that question. but, you know, is it an open question right now as to whether trump judicial nominees feel bound by precedent even in very well established cases like brown v. board and roe v. wade? >> well, i think they're suggesting that they're not. they should be. we have a principle called starry decisis. most justices, including chief justice john roberts, seem to appreciate that principle, they've talked about being an institutionalist and respecting the court, respecting the precedent. but it seems like some of these nominees wan

: but national polls show 70% of americans don't want roe versus wade overturned. one in four american women have had an abortion before the age of 45. in recent days, some hollywood actresses started sharing stories of their abortions, using #you know me. >> it's horrifying that we're in a place in our country today that i could be even talking about this. >> reporter: milla, famous for movies like "resident evil", and "the fifth element", posted her story on instagram yesterday, describing how she had an emergency abortion two years ago. >> abortion is a horrible experience. and if we can ease that experience for women in this nation, in any way, to ease the trauma, we need to be able to do that. we need to have them be in safe circumstances, where they feel that they're getting the best help possible. >> reporter: statistics show that the vast majority of women getting abortions are already mothers. nearly half live under the poverty line. >> i truly believe that is her constitutional right. and we can't move backwards, and we can't allow men to tell us what to

wade became the law of the land.k about the bust of the women, the police moving in in chicago on this abortion service. again, abortions performed by women, not doctors, who were fearful that if women did not have something like this when abortion was illegal, that they could die from back alley aborortions. laura? specificallyo talk about the bust. the bust happened on a very lovely may day. and what we found out was that a sister-in-law of a woman scheduled had come -- we encouraged people to come with someone to the counseling counselor's home. this woman had brought her sister-in-law, who did not like what she heard so she went to her precinct. so the police followed the driver, as alice described, we have people gathered at a place called the front, which was a front. then in small groups, they were driven to another apartment or called the place, did thewhere we abortions. the police followed the driver a couple of times and then they barged in while we were working. they wanted to know where the man was, wher

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the idea is to overturn roe versus wade. the person who was named jane roe when she wanted to speak out about it but i would say that this is a very dangerous time for women and girls in the united states because this law that has been passed in alabama would provide that it is a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion, the doctor could face up to 99 years in prison if convinced it of that crime. the net effect of that for women and girls is that girls, women who want an abortion in alabama will probably have to have back alley abortions by unlicensed individuals who just abortions by unlicensed individuals whojust simply abortions by unlicensed individuals who just simply want to provide an abortion to make a profit and often will not care what happens to that girl orwoman in whom will not care what happens to that girl or woman in whom they perform the abortion. and they may lead to haemorrhaging and potentially dying from an illegal abortion. legal ones are safe illegal ones are very dangerous. this is a catastrophic m

wade. that goal, one big step closer tonight after alabama governor kay ivy signed the most restrictive abortion bill in the country. this is why conservatives wanted control of the court, why they voted for donald trump to get it. and it's a giant wakeup call for democrats who thought republicans wouldn't go so far as to roll back a right that so many women view as fundamental and have for decades. let's remember what candidate trump said, this was back in 2016, about punishing women who have abortions. >> do you believe in -- >> no, but -- >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> ten years, what? >> that, i don't know. >> why not? >> that as this president has us on the brink of two wars, his trade war with china, that's inflicting financial pain on more and more americans, and his threatened war with iran. the president threatening to sen

roe versus wade is settled law. and i have a friend here who said to me that his daughter is having to fight for rights that his wife never had to fight for because her grandmother had won those rights. now we find ourselves on the front lines of this war once again. and it just seems to me that we would be a lot better off to what roe versus wade tells us, and leaving this decision in the hands of women and their families. alabama is doing something here that just shouldn't be part of america in the 21st century. >> i did hear kirsten gillibrand said if she was president, she would have a litmus test for supreme court justices and that they would uphold roe v. wade. would you do that as well, senator? >> any democrat would make sure that the justices we nominate would uphold precedent by the supreme court, including roe versus wade. >> for a generation, the political energy surrounding abortion and reproductive rights has been on the right as they fight against it. do you want this to become a centerpiece of the de

wade will strike it down.will get to an appellate court, and i don't think it will be reversed there. the supreme court will, in my judgment, decline to hear it, and that will be that. i think missouri might be onto something. they might -- they have some fallback positions that may hold. i don't think these all-out challenges, head-on challenges to roe vs. wade will work right now. >> tucker: huh. do you think as a political matter, having the conversation, describing what it is that we are debating -- abortion -- not choice, not reproductive rights -- but abortion is that an effective strategy for people -- >> i think increasingly it is, because science is telling us more and more all the time about just how much of a person these fetuses are. we now know earlier than we thought, we detect a heartbeat. there is no -- there are studies that indicate, as the legislator was telling you, the sensation of pain. if it becomes universally accepted that abortion is painful to the fetus, i think it changes the questi

wade overturned. that is one in five americans. which, again, not making everything about politics, but this is the car that donald trump does not want to catch up with politically. this would be a nightmare scenario for republicans going into 2020, if roe v. wade were overturned. i mean, four out of five americans, obviously, would be against that move. it would energize democrats in the way that very few things have in a very long time. >> yeah. you've got those competing impasses, right? the politics of this, when it comes to overturning roe v. wade, has not shifted much in america, though younger democrats do seem to be moving toward some of the more pro life positions. yet, you've got these conservative lawmakers in places like georgia and now in alabama who are clearly supreme court shopping and want this case. they've even said it explicitly. they want this case to go the whole way to the sprupreme cour. they've drafted the bill in a way they think it has the best possible way of getting to the