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wade rathke, former founder of acorn.t all ties to the tides center, but who is really at the top of all of this? who is the one that is trying to stay away from all of it and say i have nothing to do with it? obama. but if you look at what apollo -- see if this sounds familiar, like, maybe, i don't know, maybe the way we're going to transform america. social justice. the green movement, and labor unions. maybe it's just me, phil. can you talk me out of the crazy tree here and saying this is exactly what barack obama stands for, and these are his forces? >> there are a lot of connections and it looks like that certainly is the case. of course, we've got john holdren, the science czar, also tied up with a lot of these folks. we have jason grummette, the chief advisor for energy on the obama campaign, on the board of john holdren's group, the national energy commission, which is also tied in with these folks. if you look at obama's past, he was an organizer for acorn, their chief national trainer. you look at all the organi

my first guest tonight got a chance to sit down with the one and only wade rathke. founder the acorn organizer. olson is the editor of acorn crack down. you sat down with wade who is not really a fan of thisth program, i hear. >> that is what i hear. >> glenn: you sat down with him. >> i did.im. >> glenn: and what did you guys talk about.? y >> well, i started out asking about his book. any i figured there is no sense in asking any hardball questions, and then we worked into sei healthcare.strumen >> glenn: sciu is instrumental. >>n designing it, he's got a part of this. par >> right.is. >> >> glenn: tell me about the healthcare thing. >> i asked for his assessment of what the president and the t congress of doing and what more could they do to get this get passed? passe and he said the pd,resident net to stand up taller and he needs to get this done but then heut talked about sciu so that was e natural segment into what is wa sciu doing and he talked about? how they are working in 15 states, they have 14 people alone in louisiana, and because he talked about their s