and while we wait for inspiration to strike, i have questions for wael. now, you were arrested by the secret police? >> during the revolution i was arrested. >> you are arrested by thugs, okay. that's the technical term. >> yeah, they are people are loyal and people who believe what they told indie media about the square is full of spies, people from iran and the states in israel and kind heart and so all these people are working together to tumble the bark. if you can imagine the israelis and americans working together. some people voted and they were looking for foreigners all over the streets in cairo. i was with a group of friends, for others, two girls and two guys, and the girls were like wearing trendy clothes. there was a guy with us who had earlier. we looked a bit different. we looked a bit we. they thought we were foreigners so they stopped us and they searched us and they arrested us. >> did they present any identification? >> no, they don't. you cannot argue with them. you cannot reason with them at all. they gave us to the army and were able

throughout christianity was worried about fraudulent use of relics and commerce of relics, and of s waels, so there was rims you a lot of struggle sometimes to get important relics to your church, and sometimes they were even stolen, of course. throughout christianity already from the fourth century onwards we have a lively debate within the church on the orthodoxy of relics veneration. so you have periodically this outcry against the abuses and the point of it all. after all, christian religion is o ip spiritual, not praying to something material. i love the arm of st. luke. the gesture of the hands really reflect the personality of the apostles in question, st. luke being the writer of the gospel. the hand is shown holding a pen, and also, of course, you have to remember that st. luke was also an artist. baudime is one of my all time favorite. i think that the way that the saint gazes at you is uncanny and quite unsettling. in the 12th century onwards you see bust and heads that are shaped and made with gleaming material, gold or gilded copper, and decorated with precious stones to port

wael, you were imprisoned for 12 days. trying to inspire the people there in egypt.hange for your country? >> it was -- i'm so proud of my generation and the people who went to the streets on the 25th. we were all seeking nothing but freedom and dignity. for the past 30 years, which is my age. we have never experienced progress in our country. and we're just hungry for freedom and dignity. i was just as caroline mentioned, i was one of so many egy egyptians took to the streets. they spent nights trying to bring democracy back to the country. >> i have to say, caroline, your father's book is timely and timeless. and many in your family, everybody has been of service. we're thinking of your cousin, maria, and let her know, it's a difficult time that she's going through. let you know that we are thinking of her and the kids. >> thank you. >> have a wonderful time tonight and congratulations to both of you. i know it's going to be a navigating today's real estate market is complicated. you've seen the signs. that's why having the right real estate agent is more important