commissioner wald? >> may i move we approve this resolution approving funding for the funding recommendations for the 0 waste grant awars, to the groups in this room and the couple that are not? >> is there -- >> can i ask a couple of questions, before. just really quick for the funding, is that two year funding or what they receive each year? >> some of these are one year grants and some are two year grants. so i can -- if you don't have the information i'm happy to, let's see -- they're that with you. building resources, is two year grant, chinese newcomerses, two yars, glad stone is one year, goodwill is two years, northridge is two year, i think they asked for an 18 month grant, they can spend it within a year or 18 months, if they want to, they could do that. recycle for change is one year, scraps two years conservation core is two year, booed bank is one year, and sf state is one year. >> for those grant, are they allowed to renew at the end of the first year? >> no that is it >> how many of these

commissioner wald. here commissioner wan here. >> we had a couple of meetingses, where we had vacancies, we still have a couple vacancies, we have one less vacancy. what i think we have done over the past year, when we have new members join is we do a nice little welcome, say hello, and have our colleagues have a chance to get to know them and a little bit about them. about and this is one of those times, i'm booeming because i'm exseethed about our newest commissioner, we will learn about here in a moment. everybody in the meeting, please the newest member of the commission on environment elmy bermejo. [applause]. >> first of all, i'm sorry, i have laryngitis, i'm starting to get my voice back but i want b to say, i'm very proud to be a member of this commission. [laughter] sorry, i will push this closer how is that? i said i'm very proud to be a member of this commission and i thank mar ra lee, for appointing me, for anyone that is probably not known in our community, but making sure we are making a b

commissioner wald? >> can i just ask i'm not sure this is an appropriate time maybe it is that is, we give some thought to the succession. and sharing the responsibility it's a huge responsibility, to be the chairman of this commission and that's on one hand, on the other hand it takes a long time to figure out how to be a chairman of this commission, and how to understand all of the different things the department does and all the interactions it has with members of the city government and all of our constituents we don't really have term limits i'm not prepared to advocate for them, because i have no idea what a good term would be but i think we should think and maybe you and sarah should think about what is a good term what is a good change over it wouldn't necessarily mean you couldn't come back, it would just be -- i think it would benefit the commission overtime if more people are in leadership roles, i have no problem with the fearless leader we have. so sarah would you be willing to consider bei

so pat wald appointed a special master in a foi case who had been in the intelligence area.nd he was able to whittle the government's objections from 80 down to three or something. so that i was talking about, just the expertise, not the kind of arguments that an adversary would make. >> well, maybe that'll work. maybe it would work. i mean, i don't know if it's -- if it has been or is being tried tried. it would be -- it would be sort of if you can use this word, it would be sort of a creative thing for a judge to do, to reach out to get a special master to talk about the details of i.t. but i don't reject it. i just -- i just rather would have the adversary hire the expert and have the expert teach you. >> as i mentioned earlier judge wald and i made the recommendation drawing on her foia experience with the special master, the review of minization of the government. and the government would look to see if they were properly redacted or they were destroyed. but that would be an appropriate thing for a master to look at the random sample and then report to the judge and the

wald. comments? mr. pilpal. >> sorry, it's kind of a boring item, it's my kind of things, both on this item and the next, i want to say, these solid waste issues are complicated, you are hearing grant implications we are hearing grant um, pound and we will talk about next -- where there is a rate process, that rate process is necessarily adversary y' all, and detailed complicated exhibits lawyers, all kinds of things i want to once again encourage the commission and department to have periodic interested persons, meetings so people like myself nanci, have an opportunity to talk to staff about what is happening, what is recology, what are others doing so we either agree on a path forward, or understand where different people are coming from before it gets to the adversary y' all rate process. unfortunate unfortunately, this policy committee, does not lend itself to that dialogue i'm not suggesting we do this every day or week, but once or twice a year, there is new thinking with various players, and an op

there we go. >> thank you >> any other comments chair wald? >> no. thank you >> questions, colleagues, discussion, any public comment on this item. mr. pilpal >> david pilpal again, they have not met recently because of a lack of members, it's not that there are not policy things to talk about, so i will look forward to the policy meeting it's going to be great. >> thank you. other members of the public >> are you going to come david? >> i will try. >> seeing no other speakers public comments close the. can we hear 15 monica? >> announcements, information and discussion >> any announcements? >> i have one, actually >> commissioner stephenson >> wi heard news there say pop up coffee stand around the city in june, so be on the look out, and visit the website to figure out where it's going to be if you bring your own cup will you get free coffee if you don't, you are out of luck check it out. >> that is a good one. any other announcements? all right. public comment on announcements? seeing none public comment is closed, can we hear 16? >> president's an

commissioner wald? >> i have no questions, although i would invite our prosective it's five minutes before you make us we make you real grantees, in your programs i personally want to thank you for coming here tonight, it means a lot to me to see you and to have you see us going forward, we are partners you are representing us when we talk about about the work of the department, we are representing you. and it's really good to be able to put a face to the name i assume on both sides of this equationless it's also a wonderful opportunity to thank you all for the very important work you are doing in your communities in your homes in your laboratories and for spreading the message along with us thank for coming and thank you for your work. does anybody want to come up? you don't have to. oh good. >> all right. welcome. >> hello, commissioners, i'm olive, the executive director for scrap. tonight, i wasn't sure what the format would be i thought this was a more public comment portion, excuse what i'm about

wald's question regarding what are we talking about here today? i want to make it clear, while the context of my work is focused on trying to get to 0 when it comes to carbon pollution, greenhouse gasses fortunately, the same vision we need to do to get to 0 when it comes to transportation for carbon pollution, are the same thing when you get to 0, when it comes to air pollutants nitric oxides, and carbons, the goal of this state, and should be the goal of this country should be to move to 0 carbon, electricity, and power our fleet, as much as possible on that type of fuel we cannot meet our carbon goals, without hov moving in that direction. >> it wasn't coming up, i'm sorry. >> some of you have it in front of you. in regards to the big, big, picture, the global/state view, when it comes to carbon, it's all aligned. study of study, we have now a studies of studies will show the same thing, that is in your packet, i pulled out a quote a recent study of u.s. davis my almamoder, greenhouse gasses, reduction -- great thanks -- what you have are coat

commissioner wald? >> so this is clearly a daunting challenge it's very gratifying to see what seems to me huge sumses of money at both the state and regional level to invest. it's also gratifying to see that organizations, groups that didn't always work so collaboratively together even on this particular issue are working hand in glove and making huge advances it's gratifying to see there are lots of programs out there, it's still clearly a really huge challenge. so i wonder if each of you wouldn't mind -- we're only san francisco, i shouldn't say "only" because we're san francisco. but i wonder if each of you wouldn't mind hopefully, now, telling us the one thing from your particular point of view and perspective, that san francisco should do that would help us get to where we need to be when we need to be there. and maybe we could all take that and figure out how to make all three, or maybe two or maybe only one of those things happen. roland you want to start? i know we have to put a price on carbon

alex seitz-wald has more on the white house response. the president has been talking about the idea of cyber attacks with the chinese for years now. what is the administration's line this afternoon? >> reporter: not a whole lot of new information in the briefing just moments ago although he did refuse to point fingers at china and called on congress to pass more stringent cyber security regulations and tout d with the administration has done on its own. here's what he said. >> back in april, the president using his executive authority signed an executive order giving the treasury department additional authority to use economic sanctions to punish or hold accountable those who are either responsible for a cyber intrusion or are benefitting from one. this is an example of the president using his executive authority in a way that reflects a demonstrates his comprehension of how significant the cyber risk is right now. >> reporter: krystal, we did learn more about the time line of this attack. josh earnest saying it began in september and th

in washington, joel wald man, fox news. >>> a controversy plan to prevent deadly wildfires in the oakes hills is moving forward -- oakland hills is moving forward. >>> sunshine breaking through today. but mark tamayo is tracking some more clouds and will be here to tell you about the possibility of some drizzle back in the forecast. >>> another twist in the fifa soccer scandal days before the women's world cup. i'm live in london. that's my story -- coming up. >>> the corruption scandal surrounding fifa is growing. a police organization is issuing and i an lay -- an alert. zblifernts interpom issuing red notices for six men with ties to fifa. now on most-wanted lists. this is the day of a sepp blatter announced his resignation after winning a fifth term last friday. >> translator: i decided to stand again to be elected because i was convinced it was the best option. the elections are over. but the challenges that fifa is facing have not come to an end. fifa needs a profound restructuring. >> reporter: fifa will hold a conference to choose his successor. >> translator: it was a decision

in washington joel wald man fox news. >>> ebay is banning the sale of confederate flags. the san jose company says the fla flag has become a symbol of div divisiveness and -- divisiveness and racism. last week's shooting at the south carolina church reignited the debate on what the flag symbolizes. >>> let us in! >> access was restricted and the balcony was closed sav meetings recently that forced a council to adjourn early. overflow rooms were set up last night but people who signed up to speak during the public comment period said they had a hard time knowing when to take their turn at the microphone. >> all of these people are on deck to speak. the only monitor they have is the small tv. we can't hear what's going on inside the chambers. >> despite the chaos, the council did approve a motion by brooks to create a new department on race and equity. part of the push to make oakland safer which includes libby schaaf's budget proposal to add more police officers. >>> disciplinary hearings for eight san francisco police officers linked to racist and text messages are now on

let's me bring in alex seitz-wald who's live at the white house. tom goldstein and former health insurance industry executive wendell potter senior analyst at the center for public integrity. thank you for joining me. let me start out with you, tom, picking up on what i asked ari, if we have the book of obamacare here, i'm looking at reaction from a number of republicans who say that obamacare is fundamentally broken increasing health care costs to millions of americans, kind of the same rhetoric, no one is presenting an alternative to obamacare or any language at this point that makes me believe we would be leading up to another legal battle. what do you see here as the book of obamacare, as i keep calling it? >> i do think this entire set of challenges is over. the administration has to be incredibly relieved that two major blows directed at it and survived under the pen of chief justice john roberts who's a well-known conservative. i don't think those who are opposed to obamacare have really any options left now either than getting it repealed b

and, employees of the famous wald or historia in new york city are cashing in on the sale of the hotels. new owners want to convert part of the hotel into luxury condos, an union contract, though standing in the way. so an agreement has been reached, almost $149 million in severance packages, for those union employees. the average pay-out is $142,000. one long time worker is walking away with over $650,000. pretty good. ukee nicole. >> very good. >> i would say so. thanks jill. we'll get back to you. >> all right well the supreme court wraps up it session today with rulings on three more cases. now, the justices could also decided to if they'll hear cases on abortion and affirmative action in the fall. today's decisions aren't nearly as historic as last week's case that is upheld part of the affordable care act, legalize same sex marriage across the country. >> now the scores' friday ruling on same sex marriage celebrate from the case to coast over the week end. >> cbs correspondent wendy gillette more on how many previously scheduled pride festivals took very special meaning this year.

i want to go to alex seitz-wald.blicans? >> reporter: i think that's absolutely right. obviously a big win for obama and for anybody who's a fan of the affordable care act. that definitely includes hillary clinton. but i think for a lot of republicans here it lets them off the hook. they were the dog chasing the truck and now they don't have to deal with the consequences of having caught the truck. a lot of the 2016ers who have put out statements say it needs to be replace. but they can talk about it in the abstract. they can rage against the law without actually having to put forward specific replacement, specific alternatives which never really existed in congress in the first place. this kind of lets them off the hook and take a rhetorical stand without getting in the weeds. >> and they can be discussing an issue at the same time that there's no real impact on human beings. had this gone the other way, millions of people would have been affected one way or another and it would have been a situation which would hav

joining me is alex seitz-wald.know was taken in this hack. >> reporter: we know it was information on more than 4.1 million current and former federal employees and josh earnest did not reveal more. he refused to point fingers at china even some federal officials have gone there and refused to speculate on who or what entity might be behind the attack or what the motive would be. we did learn more about the time line. he said the breach started in december and was detected in april and only confirmed in may. we're just finding out about it right now. >> alex seitz-wald at the white house, thanks so much. our bing pulse question you'll see right now, it is live and we're asking you to weigh in. what do you fear more terrorism or cyber attacks? joining the conversation christopher bud, a former tech security analyst for microsoft. christopher, we heard this and hear about the hack. put it in context for us. how big a relation is this to the normal online threats faced by government computers? >> thanks for having me

there live for us is alex seitz-wald from msnbc and was watching the entire speech.part of this as she is continuing to greet those who are here to support her, alex, if you looked at where she was standing on the podium as she was expressing that she was pushing out a message that would address all of america especially those who are blue-collar workers, middle-class, that was a theme throughout her speech. if you looked in the background you didn't necessarily see that diversity -- i don't know if we can show that picture, of her standing on the podium and those who were behind her. what was the crowd makeup like that you saw? >> it was a really young crowd. a lot of young people turned out today, a diverse crowd, but the age is interesting, and, of course millennials are a key voting democrat graphic she'll need to win part of the obama coalition that turned out for her. it was an enthusiastic crowd, there was aver overflow area behind the stage that didn't get filled. campaign officials saying that was a precautionary measure in case they needed more room but the

joining me now is msnbc's alex seitz-wald who covers hillary clinton for us.aign with bill clinton making headlines instead of her? >> well they definitely are aware that bill clinton, the former president of the united states, the most popular politician in the country, has the potential to overshadow her. it's why we haven't seen bill clinton on the campaign trail with hillary clinton yet. he's mostly stayed behind the scenes in an advisory role. but the campaign was prepared for this from day one, from the clintons being attacked by republicans is another day that ends in why. so they built a large infrastructure to respond to these attacks from day one. no swiftboating when john kerry was slow to attacks in 2001. they're responding aggressively from day one. >> and they also as you can imagine, prepare for the fact that these headlines are now going to stop. >> right. absolutely. it's a distraction. it's something that they don't want to be talking about when they want to be talking about hillary clinton's agenda for the country and they hope that this ral

i like getting it thinned but don't caught cut me wald.kes it sort of rough getting haircuts around here. >> the lack of a good haircut is not his only complaint about wabash. >> this is one of the best meals we got out of the whole menu. and we still ain't figured out what the meat is. it is alpacas or guineas or a combination of both. an alpaq-guinea. mainly what you get down here seven days a week you can count on it like clock work that is rice and dehydrated potato flakes. as i was saying, rice that means tonight we'll have potatoes on here. dehydrated potatoes. >> they add water to them and it's like sea monkies. they add water, poof, you know. stone says he had a better diet at indiana state prison because the inmates were allowed to tend gardens and grew their own food. >> this place has so much area that is not being used. they could do the same thing down here. if they allowed gardening, this place could self feed itself even. this place has got so much potential. but yet they don't use it. they don't have no cat programs down he

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>> guest: well, i'm supportive of chairman upton and chairman wald remember's efforts. i would be a little bit more aggressive than they're being, but i certainly support what they're doing. and as i said, i think that bill passes the house, probably passes the senate, you know? the question is does the president veto it? and at least so far i think the indications are that the president would. although, you know, both chairman upton and chairman wald remember are working with mr. pallone and ms. eshoo to try to find some common ground so that we get the democrats to support the bill. does -- the bill. >> does it seem like a good chance for democrat buy-in? >> guest: i think there's a reasonable chance. i'm not going to try to predict the political calculations within the democratic caucus. i think common sense would tell you, though, that what fred and greg are trying to do does mange common sense -- make common sense, and so at some point in time we would expect system of the democrats to support it. >> host: congressman barton, i want to ask you about the privacy cau

alex seitz-wald on the ground in iowa. thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. appreciate that. now going to bring in today's panel. for that joined by april ryan white house correspondent, washington bureau chief for american urban radio networks, phillip stuts, former campaign director for bobby jindal now the ceo of go big media and former democratic communications staffer for hillary clinton, blake seth now the editor-in-chief for the soon-to-launch cafe.com. they join us now. blake, a former life you worked for a former clinton campaign eight years ago much watching this roll out yesterday, this launch, this statement from her, when you look at the hillary of 2008 and you look at the hillary who is going to present herself in 2016 are you seeing big differences? >> i have seen tactical ditches, right? i think people who are supporters of the clintons people detractors of the clintons, i think everyone would agree that hillary clinton is a smart person. so i think a big lesson from 2008, there was an opening in the primary for her to be defeated as we obviou

joining me now, alex seitz-wald and . thank you for being with me.policy as his strength was this a stumble or something he wanted to put out there? >> i think he very inarticulately was trying to make a point about foreign policy. problem is, doesn't look good for marco rubio, when this is one of the strengths he's touting as a u.s. senator in a very crowded field and he's also made previous stumbles in talking about iraq specifically. i get the point he was trying to say it's very nuanced, there's a difference between going in and starting to build a whole new nation versus assisting an existing nation in building their democracy. but it does not come across well and i don't think the average viewer understands the difference. >> yeah certainly could be a lot of confusion, but there is a very clear cut difference between going in wiping out the system that's there and creating a new one, or assisting a country and a government that already exists in perfecting their system. >> right. in fact didn't we already do that, nation building in iraq isn't

msnbc's alex seitz-wald spoke the newest democratic candidate.d morning. >> reporter: good morning, jose. lincoln chafee went after clinton hard on her ethics, calling her opportunistic, saying donations to the clinton foundation colored her judgment as secretary of state and he -- when i asked him if he would vote for hillary clinton in the general election if she's the democratic nominee he wouldn't say. take a look. >> i'll cross that bridge if we get to it. i'm just not convinced she's going to be the democratic nominee. i think that the democrats have to use this republican war against the republicans in 2016. it's their war. they started it. so. >> so he knows his quickest path to relevancy is going after hillary clinton in the way other candidates aren't willing to do but there's a danger for him here. this is a guy who became a democrat only two years ago running for the democratic nomination, going after one of the most popular democrats in the country. that might turn people off. >> alex, what does the clinton campaign say about this dn

david has graciously agreed to step in for judge wald who is unable to join us because of a family emergency. so with that, i'm going to start and i'm going to start with you, judge robertson. and i'm going to start with a very general question which is can you tell us, from our perspective perspective, what are the trends and weaknesses of the national oversight security cases and especially those involving intelligent operations? >> the first thing i have to do is to quarrel with the word oversight or to talk about oversight versus judicial decision making. judges are not used to being overseers. and the oversight idea is a little strange. and the whole fisa court concept concept, at first wasn't oversight of anything. it was issuing warrants. judges can issue warrants. they know how to do that. and the search warrant process has consumed the first 15 or 20 years of the fisa activities was the bread and butter of what fisa was doing. it's only in later years -- we'll get to that point. but if and to the extent we're talking about injury additional oversight, i have to say -- and i hope thi

. >> nbc's frank thorpe is live on capitol hill and msnbc's alex seitz-wald is rife at white house.nk, let me start with the comments from senator mcconnell saying that this bill is quote, a resounding victory for those who are currently plotting against homeland. this is a bill that passed with a lot of gop support, frank. >> it is, and -- but, you know senate majority leader mitch mcconnell genuinely feels changing this law and changing the provisions of the usa freedom act will negatively affect national security but, unfortunately, for him her majorly miscalculated the sentiments within the senate and thought that they would actually want to extend these provisions in some way and also -- he also had a number of amendments that he wanted to act to the usa freedom act that they were unable to pass because they didn't have the votes to pass. you know this is a defeat for mitch mcconnell. he -- he really wanted to extend this -- these provisions for five years. he had introduced a bill that would extend the patriot act for five years without any changes whatsoever, and he miscalcul

ari wald head of technical analysis at oppenheimer checking out the charts at the smartboard. is that a good sign that they managed to reverse? >> for a trading basis, yes. i want to update some thoughts we have on the group. we were on cnbc's "trading nation" last week saying to stay away from these stocks, there was 10% down side in the xal. now we're seeing what the result is. and indeed, xal has broken down following this big top, failure to get above the neckline, and now we're at support. we're at support. it's the prior highs from last year. we're oversold. and you hit it on the head, melissa. this is a reversal day where we're seeing some exhaustion of sellers. however, it needs more time. and we think the high conviction trade actually is to sell any sort of bounce attempts in airlines. turning to delta, the biggest weight in xal, probably the one with one of the bigger tops and breakdowns, staying away from a broken trend. $43. that's your neckline. that's where you want to sell delta. the leader in the space. jetblue. while the other airlines are topping, i think je

ari wald is oppenheimer's technical analyst. what do you see? >> that's right. market's down today. a lot of that blame is getting put on greece. we have a chart here that would show that these greece worries are not a problem for u.s. investors. here it is. it's the s&p 500. that's the orange line. and it's plotted with the number of times that the word greece is found in headline news stories. think of this as a sentiment indicator. the higher the reading the more times greece is in the news it's in focus the bigger of a concern it is. and a couple points to make of this chart. one you go back to early 2010 some of the highest readings of this indicator. also late 2011 into 2012. that's when greece was most in focus. if we looked at how the s&p 500 performed, there was indeed some volatility but i'm very encouraged by the fact the s&p 500 was able to rally through those concerns in each of those instances of course, that long-term uptrend continued. now, point two, if you look at the more recent data we can see much lower levels. greece is less in focus. it's less of a factor. we

that's where we find msnbc reporter alex psychs-wald. what do you got? >> hillary clinton just finished the first press conference of the presidential campaign. she's done occasional availabilities talking to members of the press for a couple of minutes and this is the first time with a podium, spoke for 18 minutes with reporters taking about 8 or 9 questions and including one from me. i asked her if he thought president obama did enough to address economic equality. here's what she said. >> the president has done an extraordinary job in dealing with a terrible set of issues that he inherited. he also has given the american people for the first time through the affordable care act the promise of health insurance. now, are there things that need to be fixed? yes. i'll be talking more about that. are there now opportunities for us to do more about income inequality and try to do both you know growth and fairness simultaneously? absolutely. let's not forget where we started from. >> so that was clearly not a yes in the of question of whether obama did enoug

>>james: we have a jail inmates working at a local camp for kids and is partly due out rage and wald was sides can in the south bank of the revelation follows the arrest of the camp counselor his charge was seven felonies on the hill to those charges with alarm barelegged in mid for the property. >>charles clifford: they ended a 25 you agree with the santa clara county sheriff's office low risk offenders will allow to work at the west side center in saratoga and off for summer camps education program for kate to a student and a low risk offenders were allowed to before the editorial side duties and and the supervision their separate his kids to the wall the cab and saratoga he did not know about the work program said a lot of their supplies is not an issue for him i didnt have a problem but as the suspect the school and the program as a reaction to the arrest of that year on may 7th he had worked at awad said and is now accused of making and possessing child for more free the office of education said on web site. >>james: it expired on sunday the legislation will face out over six mo

>> wald who produced the study here for us he found the periods when they were lagging, the s&p had twicentage gained on a 13 and a 52-week forward basis. there is definitely something to the theory and a lot of theory out there right now. to confirm that they come down with the january low at this point. they have to come down a long way. the theory is good on a quarter to nearly basis and big moves, but in short-term it takes a lot to get that confirmation. >> in the short-term we hope it leads because all of the airline stocks are up about 6% and 7%. jim and andrew thank you very much. let's go to market flash. >> what's happening right now. shares of juneau therapeutics are up sharply and given back a lot of gains. you can see on the charts they were helped earlier by a bloomberg story that quoted the ceo saying he might consider buying juneau. the story was later corrected to remove the specific reference to juneau itself. they would consider partnering with or acquiring technologies that enhance their pipeline and it was not referring to juneau specifically. astra zen eakzeneca and

david seberg and ari wald.tive about netflix, the plashth simply proves them wrong. . forward pe on netflix is $160. nobody seems to care. does do you have any concerns over this stock? >> no. we upgraded this stock whether it was $312 a share. outlook for this story is significant. it is all predicated on the international expansion opportunity. they're going to exit this year in roughly 80 countries. roughly $270 million addressable subs. next year they're going to exit in roughly 200 countries. this is a massive, massive opportunity here for them. you could paint a picture here -- we did it actually in trading nation online this is a $1,400 stock in five years. you could conservatively walk through the math to get to that number. it's up 100% year to date but this is a story with real growth opportunity. our analyst here as done a phenomenal job doing deep diving of this story. it is a buy. close your eyes and buy the stock. >> ari, obviously dave is saying it is not a house of cards but do you think $1,400

and at the end of the row, last but not least, rachel levinson wald men senior council at the brennan center for justice. thank you all for being here today. to start off i think it helps to talk about the scope of body cameras and penetration of body cameras. does anyone have a sense for how many body cameras are out there, what the percentages are? this is something we hear called for consistently. it's hard to give a scope to some of our listeners and readers today. where are we with that? how long before we actually get to full penetration of body cameras in the united states? anyone. >> the last surveys i saw which may be about a year or more old suggested about 25% of the 17,000 or so police departments in the u.s. about 25% of them had some or were -- had some body cameras at least and 80% of the departments were considering adopting them. we know uptake of the technology has been happening very quickly. i wouldn't be surprised if ten or 15 or 20 years it becomes a standard piece of equipment on every uniformed police officer. >> we're definitely heading in that direction it se

joining me now is msnbc's alex seitz-wald and ed o'keefe.zine saying jeb bush is more ruthless and conservative than moderates like to believe and more appealing to latinos than marco rubio is. tell me about that. >> it's an interesting read. the idea he is more conservative than some skeptics or some republicans might believe is actually somewhat true. if you look at his record here in florida back in the day, aggressive tax cutting, support of the second amendment, changing of the affirmative action laws, laying off workers, and his argument has been i got to do that as a two-term governor, a lot of other republican presidential candidates talk about doing those types of things. in some ways that article might help him. the idea of his latino appeal superseding rubio, that remains to be seen but something they hope for and believe in the miami area he might enjoy more support from cuban americans than senator rubio does. >> also the new york times is reporting this morning jeb bush is having trouble bringing over staffers who used to work

thought -- i think you said you thought the reason counters are reluctant -- have been reluctant, pat wald said extraordinarily deferential in foia cases where national security is claimed and in state secret cases is because they felt they weren't expert. but courts handle all the time questions where they don't start out as being an expert on this subject. i thought it's more -- it's because they're afraid of being wrong in the national security context. and it does help lou oberduffer used it where someone was agreeing 5% of the cases and they ended up agreeing on 80% of the documents. so the question is what can we do to make judges feel more confident in taking only -- taking on national security questions? >> i think burt wants to make a small intervention before we turn it over to the panelists. >> in response, in 1975 phil hart got an amendment to the foia act which said when is a court appeal from an agency denial, the judge is directed to make a de novo determination of the claim of national security balanced against the purpose of foia. unfortunately, in the conference report la