, okay, so these are. two aspects that must be there, but how the walima is conducted, what colors thelture per say, because as you know culture is a dynamic thing, it's a relationship between one's worldview. you know and one's environment, you see what emerges from that, they deny that, and so what you have then is the development of kind of a anti-culture among these people, okay, which tends to sort of marginalize them to a great extent. sure, thank you, now uh, robert, we we introduced you uh of course as no strangers to the show, but also a convert to islam. i want to ask you maybe a more personal question, what was about the personality of the prophet muhammad maybe that uh played a part in attracting you to the religion of islam when you were doing your invitable research, well it played a huge role, i mean the prophet is fantastic individual, and if you study his life, there's so much you can learn from it, even in today's scenario, you know, i think the most interesting part of what i learned about him is all the misconceptions i had prior to learning about islam, because i t