but walls don't work, so why do we maintain that wall?his is the most hypocritical thing -- this is all about politics. this is about the spanish vote, the hispanic vote. it's not about anything else. the border patrol, texas governor, they want the wall to begin down in texas. so if there is somebody down in texas, put them on the screen. let's hear from those people. looks like you continue this false lie about states not wanting the wall. they want to protect their citizens. that's probably 10 minutes in the medicare field. wall, and in the many ways we can't afford not to build the wall. been -- wets have would have our immigration reform today if the democrats illegal agreed that immigration would stop, and they would have had everything else in immigration reform. so if the hispanics think the democrats are their friend, think about these past eight years and how far everything would have gone if they had just agreed to to eliminate illegal immigration. host: let's go next to doris in warren, michigan, democrat. hello, doris. caller

concrete wall. that really impedes the effectiveness of the border patrol, who is trying to react to changing circumstances on the other side of the wall, trying to see who is coming towards the border. , 30 footve an opaque concrete wall, it's going to be very difficult for border patrol agents to see what's happening on the other side. the idea that we are going to build this wall that no one can see what's happening -- he doesn't really make sense from a practical standpoint. host: is there any data that shows the minor -- the money might be that are spent on border patrol agent? that: there's no evidence the prior fencing that was introduced really have major impact on the number of crossings in the border overall. it has very important local effects. for example, a fence was built in the san diego sector of the border, really through the city. that had a major effect on crossings through san diego. in thelly, what we saw congressional research service did the best study on this -- they really s

building a wall in the u.s. mexican border will not stop all illegal immigration but it's a necessary first step and consistent with experiences in yuma and san diego has the ability to reduce it. in addition, predictable enforcement of immigration laws in the inn tier yore of the united states will restore the rule of law and deter would be illegal immigrants from attempting to circumvent the laws in the first plate. we hope our witness for the border patrol council will speak more broadly about what they see on the border every day and what they need to do to do their job. this subkmiet at the will continue robust oversight over these actions to determining how they are meeting the threat posed by a porus border and we want to make sure that taxpayer money is being used well, that the barrier is being built and in an effective way and we're bog to continue to monitor this as this unfolds over the next year and a half. >> i thank the witnesses for being here today and for their testimony. and with that, i yield

. >> we're going to build a wall. build that wall. build that wall. build that wall. that wall will go up so fast, your head will spin. >> i'm very, very troubled to have to pass this on. >> the wall delayed. >> it looks like president trump is caving. >> we have plenty of time. a lot of time. >> i was hoping that trump would throw this shut down thing right back in their face. >> the fact that the wall is now off the table, americans should breathe a huge sigh of relief. >> it's delayed for now? >> no one said delayed. >> the wall is going to get built. >> the same issues stopping it now are going to be stopping it later. >> it doesn't have to be a physical wall. it can be some fencing in some areas. >> it's going to be a real wall. it's going to be as beautiful as a wall can be, but it's going to be a wall. >> there's not a big appetite for that. >> the wall just got ten feet higher. >> boy, this week, the wall must have gotten 20 feet higher. the resistance to donald trump's wall has won again. the first person to stop president trump's dreams of a big, beautiful w

wall. they are taking steps to fulfill that and a subcommittee has closely monitored this process. they have issued a executive order to take appropriate steps to build the wall. march 17 they should to request for issues for prototype design for the requirements set forth in the executive order. dhs is expected to use this prototype to inform actual construction. border walls have said success in recent years. president trump has seen israeli border as securing the us-mexico border. the security fence on the israel border cut illegal entries in 2011 down to just 43 in 2013 and 12 and 2014. a 99% decrease. israel's prime minister remarked that president trump is right, i built a wall on israel's southern border, it stopped all illegal immigration. great success, great idea. now, to those who abus oppose building wall dispute that successors the reason they oppose building the wall precisely because they acknowledge its potential effectiveness it curving illegal immigration? i think we need

yes, walls do work. if not built when another open borders president is elected, the technological deterrents and all important army of border agents will be reduced or entirely removed, allowing this holocaust of american killings to resume. this must not be perpetrated upon our families. based upon preliminary information we believe that american stolen lives may number in the tens of thousands but because the government at every level has failed to identify correctly, the illegal alien killers, no one knows for sure. we welcome congress's commitment to assure an accurate counting and believe that all americans, if they knew the true human cost of this invasion would demand the wall be built immediately. just last no there was a string of reports of heinous crimes committed by illegal alien gang members. the remembrance project advocacy stands behind president trump in demanding that congress fund the kwon instruction to have wall. preserve our sovrge nation and keep our country safe by securing our bo

wall. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. president trump is moving closer to hitting his first 100 days in office with the prospect of a government shutdown looming over everything. aides to the president are confident that's not going to happen even though one of the sticking point in the negotiations goes straight to the heart of mr. trump owes biggest campaign prompts, the wall. >> and i have to say welcome to the white house. >> reporter: it just might be the biggest barrier standing in the way of a deal to prevent a looming government shutdown. president trump's quest for funding to pay for a wall on the u.s.-mexico border. the president is ramping up the pressure tweeting the wall is a very important tool in stopping drugs from pouring into our country and poisoning our youth and many others. if the wall is not built which it will be, the drug situation will never be fixed the way it should be. white house officials are also pushing congress to make sure wall money is included in any bi

for building that wall.'s bring in gabriel from politico. i don't know how you get there without them. >> yeah, that's right. it's not only them. there's other members of the republican party, some in leadership, some sort of talking about this privately saying they don't think right now is the time to be talking about the border wall. some say the wall itself is not the right way to go. others are saying this is too politically a fight, it's not the right time for the fight and in particular since the government might shut down saturday and that wouldn't send a good signal. >> the back story the people's position or something simpler? >> shepard: for a lot of folks, what they're saying is republicans will be blamed if the government shuts down and if we have a funding fight, the government will shut down. they say if we don't want the 20 2018 mid-terms to start off on the wrong foot, we should do this later. >> shepard: john roberts spoke briefly of a compromise saying we'll give you this part if you don't

the wall. is this the death knell of the wall.cessions yesterday, i always saw the wall as an analogy to make the border safer of the president takes every opportunity to say, no, no, no, i mean a wall. now it looks like there's no wall in this pass. >> most people, what i hear from people who are concerned about security on the southern border, yes, it can be fencing. it can be the wall. it can be surveillance, and it needs to be a combination. with you the most interesting thing to me is the reason for wanting the wall has really changed over the last couple of years. you go into new hampshire where the opioid crisis is rampant. they want it to stem the flow of drugs into the communities. you talk to other communities, they will say, you need to increase that surveillance because of gangs and stop some of the movement of gangs. some of my friends who work in slavery and sex trafficking say let's get this wall and surveillance in place to end this and stem this flow of sex trafficking into the country. so interestingly enough, as

it just got 10 feet taller. >> build that wall. build that wall. build that wall. build that wall. build that wall. >> i'm going to say, mexico, guess what, this is not going to continue, you're going to pay for the wall. and i've said they're going to pay the for the wall and they will pay for the wall. >> who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> he promised his base of supporters to pay for the wall. he's asked the congress to pay for the wall. yesterday he still insisted in a tweet that in the future mexico will pay. he tweeted, eventually, at a later date, so we can get started early, mexico will be paying in some form for the badly needed border wall. but democrats need to sign off on the spending bills and yesterday nancy pelosi says her party opposes the wall. >> democrats do not support the wall and i think that the republicans on the border state, do not support the wall. the republicans have the votes in the house and the senate and the white house to keep government open. the burden to keep it open, is on the republicans. the wall is, in my view, immoral, expensiv

we're going to do the wall, and by the way, who's going to pay for the wall? crowd: mexico!going to pay for the wall? mexico! who? mexico! but the mexicans have been blunt in their response. we're not paying a peso towards it, something their economy minister spelt out today to the bbc. if they decide to do it, it's in their own sovereign right. the only thing that is clear is that there is no way mexico is going to pay for it. so donald trump, initially at least, will have to rely on the us taxpayer. busy day. and though there is growing acceptance that is not going to happen right now, he is still talking tough. the wall gets built, 100%. thank you very much. reporter: wait, mr president. when will the wall be built? we'll start soon, very soon. we're already preparing, we're doing plans, we're doing specifications. but the government runs out of money this friday, and could face another shutdown like it did four years ago, when thousands of staff were laid off, and federal buildings and monuments closed. democrats will agree to an emergency funding package, but only if th

. >> who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> the white house makes its demand, fund the wall or the government shuts down. >> can you not guarantee that there will not be a government shutdown? >> i cannot guarantee. >> the latest on the most consequential fight of the trump presidency. then general brown for massive corporate tax cuts. new reports that republicans in the senate are slowing down the russia investigation. >> we're going to get it right. >> how the state department is showcasing trump's so-called winter white house. >> the president will be shifting the operation of the white house down to the winter white house at mar-a-lago. "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, it's monday night what's shaping up to be the consequential week of donald trump's presidency. not only are we counting down to his 100th day in office, but this president and congress are facing their do or die legislation. they must pass the spending bill to keep the government open. until recently al

. >>> next, will the president shut down the entire government over his boarder wall, a wall he promised mexico would pay for? confusing signals from the white house. >>> the president admits he never realized how big the job is. after 95 days is it sinking in. >>> the president tells an astronaut tonight better you than me. >>> president trump between a wall and a hard place. with the government shutdown looming it comes down to the wall. will trump shut down the government if democrats refuse to fund his boarder wall? if you listen to trump's homeland security secretary john kelly the answer to that question is yes. >> the president has been pretty straightforward about his desire and the need for a boarder wall. so i would suspect he'll do the right thing for sure, but i will suspect he will be insisting on the funding. >> insistent on the funding. democrats say they will not play ball. the democratic leader chuck schumer calls the wall a pointless waste of taxpayer money. today on that point, taxpayer funded, this simple but important question from our jim acosta. >> reporter: on the

how effective cost wise is a wall? that is what congress is going to have to say. >> i hear the left and president reagan, excuse me, president trump saying immigration within our borders -- it might break up the families of these illegal immigrants. every day is country we sent thousands of people to prison and that breaks of their families. why are these people so special? ananybody who is unauthorized immigrant who commits a crime is subject to the same punishment. he may wind up going to prison for the same crimes every day and then they get deported as well. i think the system that we have in place now, about 10 years where every single person, anyone in the country has their finger prints checks for immigration status and flags to be deported if they are unauthorized. that has been working pretty well. the only question is, between the two different administrations should just the people who have committed the most serious crimes be deported after mark should anybody arrested for any reason be deported question m

fire wall street and then rehire them in my cabinet. so, let's talk about what matters to the american people. in terms of policy if you want to talk about wall street. >> how often do you talk to the president? >> i have no complaint that i don't talk to him enough. >> so you hear from him with regularity? >> no, i wouldn't say -- i talk to him enough. i have spoken to him. i've spoken to his administration about issues. we have a courteous, cordial respectful conversation. but -- i always grant people their position. i respect what you believe in. what you have come to do. i'm not absolutely sure what he believes in yet. but if it's reflected in his budget, we'll fight that. but he knows that. and -- so i think we have -- i think we have a -- shall we say, an understanding. >> leader nancy pelosi, thank you very much for joining us. >> my pleasure. >>> we'll be right back with "the roundtable" and a look at

the white house had for a long time not been pushing the wall and then last week said the wall is an important ingredient we need to see money for that. they have backed off of that. the next thing to watch for is of democrats back of the obama care assistance. we see not a little bit today with lawmakers including chuck schumer, the top democrat in the senate refusing to draw long and saying they would not accept a bill without the cautionary money in there. and i believe the number two ranking democrat in the house has said something similar. they're not trying those lines are two weeks ago they were. both sides seem to have come off a very big sticking point that leaves us with cost-sharing issue hasn't been finalized the way the wall has, but it's one of the issues that looks like were getting resolution. >> with regard to the negotiations, who is at the table? who are the key people you're watching? >> one of the things schumer said was they wanted to get the president out of the negotiations. he said president trump and his team were not particularly helpful and offering the wa

build the wall! the big beautiful wall.sistently and for months and as recently as last week, the white house was insisting publicly that the new budget agreement from the congress must contain money to get the wall started. more than $2.5 billion to start. now we know that it's not going to happen. the trust is the handwriting was on the wall. democrats are and have been in lock step against it. many republicans say they simply can't justify the money. and of the 17 senators and congress members representing residents of the southwest border, none stepped forward to support it. not one. in addition, the majority of americans are against it on moral or financial or other grounds. most importantly, had the president held to his public position, the government would likely have shut down this weekend on day 99 of his first 100 days. so the white house caved. officially the word is that the president is willing to delay funding for the wall until september. that's new. and a complete departure from a, mexico will pay for it an

said, actually, the wall is an important ingredient. we need to see money for that. they've now backed off of that. the next thing to watch for is whether democrats back off that obamacare insistence. we've seen today already a little bit of that with several lawmakers including senator chuck schumer, the top democrat in the senate, refusing to draw a line and saying they wouldn't accept a bill without that cost-sharing money in there. and i believe that zen think hoyer, the number two ranking democrat in the house, has said something different, they aren't drawing those lines. where two weeks ago schumer and nancy pelosi were drawing that line. that leaves us with a bunch, of, still the cost payment-sharing issue hasn't been finalized the way the wall apparently has, but it's one of those issues that looks like we're getting to a resolution. still the other issues happening out there. host: and with regard to the negotiations, who's at the table? who are the key people that you're watching? guest: well, so it appears to be one of the t

has passed and that is the wall street reform which is a key measure that reins in the abuses of wall street to make sure what happened to the economy never happens again. >> tucker: you fell right into my trap. i was going to wait to hit you with the facts until the end of the segment but here we go. under the president obama the dow jones average rose and that doesn't benefit everybody. the top 1% share of income rose from 17% to 22%. in other words, the majority, the overwhelming bulk of wealth created under president obama went to people that were already rushed. saying he crushed wall street is ridiculous. >> but if you're saying they liked the reform legislation have you another thing coming. the republicans are unveiling a new legislation next week to repeal that piece of legislation which is backed by the wall street banks. it's a wish list for the wall street banks. if you're asking which party is for the wall street banks and which is against we're the party against. >> tucker: so you pay if you make a lot 40% in income tax. that's the top rate. somebody working 9:00 to 5:00

or the wall. regardless of how you feel about president trump's wall, mr. chairman, that's not how we should treat people that are landowners in this country. american families need to be treated with dignity and respect and need to be fairly compensated for any land taken from them. i'll be the first one to tell you we need to enforce the immigration laws we have on the books and provide dhs officials with the tools and resources they need to secure the border. and maybe that means they need some portions of a wall built in some places. but if we're going to pay to build this thing, we need to be honest about some of the true costs to the american people. let's start today by speaking frankly about how much it's going to cost, how difficult it will be to acquire the land, how long that will take, and the impacts on the american landowners along the border. and whether all of those costs justify the benefit that we will receive. thank you, mr. chairman. i look forward to hearing from the witnesses. >> thank you, senator mccaskill. as i mentioned, there woul

>> tucker: you wouldn't want to replace a wall with a wall. so what percentage of the southern border do you think should have the wall? >> i think it depends on the geography. whether or not you put a wall on the rio grande would depend on of factors, but it could take decades because of all the property rights and condemnations we have to do to accomplish it. there's a lot of private property owners there. so doesn't make sense they are? in some cases, absolutely. if you go around the rio grande valley, they are very clearly places where a wall of the structure would create hedge points that other technologies could be used. >> tucker: i think it's a fair question for voters. i voted for this guy, he promised a beautiful wall. >> the border is about 2,000 miles. let california sector seems to be working the way it is. it's probably a combination that would go in arizona and the west texas, new mexico sector. and then a slightly different -- the exact number of actually asked for, where is the geography in migration patterns make sense connec

. >> 72% oppose building a wall. that's higher than 64% who oppose the president's wall. no house or senate member from the region in either party have expressed support from the proposal to fund the wall using this week's spending bill. according to president, however, there's one very important group that does want them to build a wall. i'm told the associated press wants the border wall, my base really wants it. you've been to many of the rallies, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. . among republican support for the wall and stands at 77%. managed to deliver on his pledge this week and funding for the wall, the president would be breaking another central campaign promise in doing that. that promise being that mexico and not the american taxpayers will have to pay for it. president tweeted yesterday, eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, mexico will be playing in some form for the border wall. eventually, at a later date in some form. mexico had said in no uncertain terms, it

wall? >> mexico! >> 100%. >> by mexico apparently he meant you. but that's not all. in order to get funding for the wall, they're planning to hold hostage the government payments under obamacare that help subsidize insurance for millions of people. take a listen to mick mulvaney. >> we finally boiled this negotiation down to something we want very badly but the democrats really don't like. that's the border wall. at the same time, there's something they want very badly that we don't like very much, which are these cost-sharing reductions in the obamacare payments. >> the response from democrats, absolutely not. spokesperson for senate minority leader chuck schumer put out this statement. the white house gambit to hold hostage health care for millions of americans in order to force the american taxpayers to foot the bill for a wall that the president said would be paid for by mexico is a complete non-starter. the u.s. government is supposed to take care of its citizens and according to the p

nancy pelosi wasn't for the wall before she was against the wall.here were no morals back in 2006 when she supported it. it is in the american interest. the problem with democrats is they have to figure out, do they dislike the president more than they like the american people and what is in the american people's interest? that is what is happening here. everything against donald trump. the wall is in the nation's interest. it is a clear and present danger to our national security. on a whole host of issues, drugs being one, but also people coming into the country who should not be here. when we talk about the resolutions, this is a negotiation. there is not going to be a democratic shutdown of this country because they know it is not in their interest. republicans certainly are not going to do it, so the question is how long will it be and what will we get for the continuing resolution? >> jon: there was a triple murder on new york's long island last week, young man who apparently we are trying to get out of the ms-13 gang. the president says you b

you're talking about a different wall. >> the whole thing of celebrating him saying "tear down this walluse a wall is always a sign of a radical regime and it's always meant to keep people in. >> tom: you've got to have a border. there's a fence down there, there is a wall in a lot of places. i know the wall is going to keep people out, people coming on visas and they don't leave. >> are they going to dig under? look at the sort of things that happened in a certain place called the middle east. you can build something, have on top of it or whatever, people are going to find a way to get around or especially under the wall, a comedian has a special where she talks about this. people will always get past about wall in some way. they will put their selves through it like on "star trek" " it's a rather silly idea. >> tom: i think it would be kind of fun to see them try, you build a wall, see them try to get around it, televise it, it will be fantastic. >> the choice of a new generation hit a snag this week, a company released an ad of kendall jenner giving a can of cola to a cop. she notices

build that wall. build that wall. builthat wall. build that wall!going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> sesame street. welcome back to "hardball." president trump's loudest rallying cry during his historic campaign for the presidency last year was his clarion call for a border wall, which energized his base of supporters and some say launched him into the white house. in his first real attempt to get funding from congress for the wall, not the mexicans, they're not going to do it. trump caved. a senior white house official told nbc news that president trump is open to getting funding for the border wall this fall instead of using it as a sticking point this week. the president tweeted stutoday, don't let the fake media tell you that i've changed my position on the wall. let's bring in our "hardball" roundtable. us ted herndon, alina al sin derz and jam sherman. thank you all, lady and gentlemen. two questions to both of you. do the people who like trump b

, the wall, the wall. some sort of physical barrier along the entire southern border of this country, do you think donald trump's presidency will see that happen? >> you know, i think the president believes it will happen. i know he's speaking with leadership about it. it won't be in the funding bill this friday. whether it's in a budget bill, further appropriations down the line, we'll have to wait and see. i'm not privy to those conversations. we just got back today and are waiting for the leadership to inform us tomorrow what will be in that budget plan going forward. >> okay. yes, a very busy week up there. this 100th day week for donald trump. congressman donovan, republican from new york, thanks for the time. >> thank you, steve. >>> joining me now talk more about this, let's bring in bill press and tim carney. thanks to both of you for being with us. tim, do you read this no money for the wall in this bill, you injuries can heard it from dan donovan, republicans not going to fund this way. is this a

and the wall is one item for the agenda for the week. with everything the white house has cooking, one key policy item has moved to the back burner. our coverage begins with athena jones at the white house. >> reporter: good morning. a big week ahead here in washington. a lot on the agenda. and an important deadline looming. that's friday. friday is the deadline for congress to pass a bill to keep the government open. folks at the white house, insist they won't allow the government to shut down. but they also made their priorities clear to the folks on capitol hill, for what they want to see included in the spending bill. this must-pass spending bill. among the items, money for hiring more immigration agents and money for the border wall. a huge campaign promise for the president. the problem is, both of those things are nonstarters for democrats. we've heard as much from senate minority leader, chuck schumer. so, the big question is whether the president will insist on that border wall funding and whether he will sign a bill that doesn'

>> the democrats do not support the wall. i think the republicans on the border states do not support the wall. the republicans have the votes in the house and senate and white house to keep the burden open. the wall in my view is immoral, expensive, unwise. when the president says, i promised a wall during my campaign, i don't think he said he was going to pass billions of dollars of cost of the wall to the taxpayer. >> the budget director said, hey, elections have consequences, republicans are in charge. as you just pointed out. but there are some democratic spending priorities you want to push for, including help make sure that while obamacare is still law, it is fully functioning. what's wrong with giving the president his money for a border wall in exchange for a priority that is not his, keeping obamacare fully functional and funded as a priority that's important to you? what's wrong with that kind of horse trading in washington? >> what is wrong with that scenario is the wall. he talks about how tall it is, how will pa

will fit the bill for the wall. >> isn't mexico supposed to pay for the wall? >> i think, jim, the president has made clear that initially we need to get the funding going and there will be several mechanisms to make sure that happens. >> but the president is trying to deliver on one of his key campaign promises, proposing to slash the corporate tax rate from 45% to 15%. he will unveil details tomorrow. setting up a potential clash with republicans concerned about the impact these cut will have on the deficit. >> the tax plan will pay for itself with economic growth. >> arguing the cuts will pay thr themselves, a theory economics don't buy. meanwhile, the trump administration hitting five canadian companies on stiff tariffs. congress secretary saying it has been a bad week for u.s./canada trade relations, stoking fears about a future trade war with america's second largest trading partner. >> the administration continues to keep its eye on north korea. there was a big artillery drill there overnight. the entire united states senate expected here at the white ho

or the wall. the department told us they plan to use funds intended to acquire remote video surveillance. the $20 million they're using came out of the very fund all the border patrol agents told me they needed more of. it was to buy the remote video surveillance equipment they proudly showed me they put together themselves that allowed them to see a more broad area along the rio grande river and be more effective in catching the smugglers. when i asked border patrol agents what do you need they told me they needed technology, yes, additional fencing. and additional fencing/wall may be appropriate. but they've definitely said they needed technology more than they needed additional wall. so it's ironic that the prototype of the wall is coming out of the fund they say they need the most. and what about the big question i would like to spend time on today, the cost of acquiring the land needed to build the wall. 2/3 of the u.s./mexico border is private and state owned land. some of the land has been

is a part of the wall a wall? i don't know if that can be a wall., right? part of a wall, you can get around it. >> okay. you can't get through that part. i mean, i think it is going to get built because he's staked his whole presidency was all about the wall, build the wall. so i think he's going to get it done. i don't know, i take him for his word, conversations that it's going to get done. and one way or the other, sure, yes, he's going to get it paid for. i'm less concerned about who pays for it, i'm more concerned that it actually gets built and is part of an overall deterrent for people come anything that would, you know, break laws and just having this revolving door of offenders. i saw it up close and personal, san francisco and los angeles district attorney's office, and you as the prosecutor even asking someone what their true identity was, and they'd lie and go back out and reoffend. greg: i don't even to have two aliases. >> i have three. greg: kat, you like walls. >> i h greg: you build up a wall around you. >> anytime anyone tries to

wall? >> mexico! >> 100%. >> by mexico apparently he meant you. but that's not all. in order to get funding for the wall, they're planning to hold hostage the government payments under obamacare that help subsidize insurance for millions of people. take a listen to mick mulvaney. >> we finally boiled this negotiation down to something we want very badly but the democrats really don't like. that's the border wall. at the same time, there's something they want very badly that we don't like very much, which are these cost-sharing reductions in the obamacare payments. >> the response from democrats, absolutely not. spokesperson for senate minority leader chuck schumer put out this statement. the white house gambit to hold hostage health care for millions of americans in order to force the american taxpayers to foot the bill for a wall that the president said would be paid for by mexico is a complete non-starter. the u.s. government is supposed to take care of its citizens and according to the p

isn't mexico supposed to pay for the wall? >> the president has made very clear that initially we needed to get the funding going and there's several mechanisms to make that sure that happen. >> is that is a promise during the campaign. >>. >> now we're having a discussion it might shut down. who is going to pay for it? >> as i pointed out to jonathan, we feel confident the government is not going to shut down. the president has been clear in the. past about the fact -- this is not a a new thing. he talked about this. in order to get the ball rolling on border security and the wall he was going to have to use an appropriations process, but he would make sure that that promise would be kept as far as the payment of it. >> real quick follow-up. if border crossings are down and that's a talking point, is the wall even necessary? >> absolutely. the wall does several things. >> saying we're going to have the drugs flowing in. >> just because you have a couple good months, you want to make sure you take long-term steps. so the presi

we will build the wall. >> and who's going it pay for the wall? who's going to pay for the wall? it will be a great wall. mexico's going to pay for the wall. mexico is going to pay for the wall. mexico will pay for the wall. and mexico's going to pay for the wall and they understand that. >> mexico is going to pay for the wall. believe me, 100%. >> mexico's foreign minister said in no scenario will mexico pay for the wall. i mean, this was one of the president's biggest campaign promises. how essential is it that he delivers in some way here? sean spicer is careful to say there's a delay, there's no delay. rush bim bah went on the radio and attacked donald trump. there's at least four reasons. first, we don't need it. the flow of mexicans for five years has gone back home. in other word we're losing mexicans. mr. trump's wall will only slow down their departure. third, there's no appetite for it on the hill. every single member of congress who's district that wall would go through opposes it and finally maybe most importantly, he's got a higher priority. >> his higher priority he

, the wall, the wall is going to get built.going to be like don. >> excuse me. you caught me off guard with that one. but listen, to me, when i heard there -- especially when he said 73, 74% come across the border, if that is indeed true, i have to check those numbers, wouldn't that show you that governing and how you -- what stance and what laws you use to fight immigration or to control immigration, doesn't that matter more than a wall? if you have 70 some percent in his words of people not coming across the border, then why build a wall? >> a lot of people, most people i would say are in favor of border security, but it just doesn't have to be in the form of a wall. and, i would tell you that, donald trump's policies and his stances have served as a deterrent to illegal immigration. >> right. >> people don't want to come here because they think that donald trump is going to deport them the hell out. >> that's what i said -- >> your stance on immigration is important. >> he has had an effect of lowing immigration to the count

hitting the mid-morning wall? hearty protein jimmy dean bowls help you avoid it. shine on. >>> our top story this morning, a united states-guided missile submarine arrived in south korea this morning as north korea marked the 85th anniversary of the founding of its army. overnight, north korea held a large-scale artillery exercise. tomorrow at the white house, the trump administration briefs the entire senate on the escalating tensions. >>> and with a government shutdown looming, president trump indicated that he can do without funding for a border wall, at least for now. congress is trying to reach a spending bill before friday's deadline, and the border wall was a key sticking point. it is opposed by democrats and unpopular with some republicans. >>> and congress may not be the only thing that stands in the way of building a wall along mexico. carter evans is on a part of the border where an indian reservation sits. >> reporter: so, you can go here, but -- >> i can go, but you can't go -- >> reporter: verlin jos

we're going to build a wall. it's going to be built. build that wall! build that wall!w how important the wall is to president trump and many of his supporters. in the beginning we heard mexico was going to pay for it, and then congress would and mexico would pay back. it was going to be part of the budget. and now it looks like it's going to be pushed off. where do you think it stands? >> i think that it stands in process. and it's so interesting, stephanie, to look at how coalition has come together, that really wants security on the southern border. individuals that are fighting opioid abuse and are trying to get a handle on the opioid and heroin epidemic, they're saying secure the southern border. you're hearing from individuals that are fighting gangs in neighborhoods. they're saying, you need to secure that southern border. people that are working on end to slavery and human trafficking, they want to see the border secured. so there's a growing coalition that is saying get it done. >> secure -- >> i think what you see is, it doesn't have to be a physical wall. it

the wall 100%.uild the wall. and who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> who? >> mexico! >> it will be a great wall. mexico is going to pay for the wall. mexico will pay for the wall. and mexico's going to pay for the wall and they understand that. mexico is going to pay for the wall. believe me. 100%. >> well, mexico's foreign minister by the way today said in no scenario will mexico pay for the wall. joining me now is jack kingston and paul begala. how essential is it that he delivers at least in some way here. sean spicer is care testimony to say, there's not a delay, but it seems like there's no funding for it this time around. >> his base wants it. rush limbaugh went in today and attacked the wall. he says first we don't need it. the flow of mexicans, have gone back home. in other words we're losing mexico. they're going back home, mr. trump's wall will only slow down their departure. 60% of americans opposed it in the quinnipiac poll, every

how about that wall? we need the funding for that wall. so this wall, i thought they would kick the can down the road until i heard mulvaney. he said no, this is a big deal to us. fred: i thought they kicked the can down the road, too. it's definitely a big thing to donald trump. democrats will raise a lot of stink about it. i think they can be beaten back eventually. what they ought to realize is the path to comprehensive immigration reform which democrats want is paved with the wall. the on thing that will convince a majority of americans and most republicans that the border is secure is if the wall is being built. you get that, and it opens the door for serious immigration reform. and democrats want that. but they will fight the wall. tom: if there is a shutdown, who gets hurt? >> well, you know the history here. you ought to hear majority leader mitch mcconnell. he said no matter who provokes it, republicans get blamed. it will be democrats who will be the ones forcing the shutdown. it might be hard to blame republicans this time, but

obamacare, the border wall. it's all in the table as we count toward what could be another government shutdown at the end of the week. we will talk about the negotiations are ongoing with the panel after a stay out front with tempur-pedic. our proprietary material automatically adjusts to your weight, shape and temperature. so you sleep deeply, and wake up feeling powerful. find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com >> whenever the government shutdown, people blame the republicans. let me tell you. it will be the democrats were shut this government down. >> the republicans have the votes in the house and senate and white house to keep government open. the burden to keep it open is on the republicans prayed >> the president is working hard to keep the government open and adg various issues. stick with the president is very determined that we can get to sd economic growth of 3%. >> tax reform, health care, tax form, trade. with been hugely successful. >> bret: it's monday. busy week ahead. as you take a look