host: why did people listen to walter cronkite? guest: he was a man who had come through world war ii as a great correspondent. he had a print background. i knew walter really. not as well as marvin did. people trusted him. i have a personal story, there was no way around it. the voice, the demeanor, the straightahead manner of walter cronkite. when we got to where they were housing these u.s. prisoners, a place called the plantation. it was not the hanoi hilton. the early prisoners were released about two weeks before. they were in these p.o.w. pajamas and all that. i heard one of them say i didn't think they were really going to let us go until i saw walter cronkite there. then i knew it must be true. that's the kind of impact walter had. host: i want to go back to the convention in 1968. this is walter cronkite reporting in chicago where turmoil taking place outside the convention center with democrats about to nominate vice president hubert humphrey. [video clip] >> as we reported to you earlier, this is not live, it is on film.

host: why did people listen to walter cronkite? guest: he was a man who had come through world war ii. he was a great correspondent. he had a great background. i knew walter really well, not as well as marvin did. i went with walter to hanoi to watch the last american pows released. about a personal story how that, there is no way around it, voice and demeanor, straightahead manner of walter cronkite, when we got to where they were housing u.s. prisoners, a place called the plantation, not the hanoi hilton, where mccain and the early prisoners were released two weeks before, they were in these p.o.w. pajamas and all that. i heard one of them saying i did not think they were really going to let us go until i saw walter cronkite there. then i knew it was true. that was the impact walter had. host: i want to go back to the convention in 1968. this is walter cronkite's reporting of the demonstrations taking place outside as the democrats are about to nominate hubert humphrey in 1968. [video clip] >> as we reported earlier, and this is

walter cronkite didn't know any of that.what he was really looking at was -- this is unsustainable for the american people. also, what is at stake? what are we fighting for? what is the cause? what is the risk to our country if we don't win the war? also, the sunk cost problem. do we continue to throw more young men into this fight to justify the lives of those who have already been lost? there is a lot going on below the surface, and i think walter cronkite becomes the lightning rod, and a way where you have to take a longer, wider view to really appreciate the context. >> doug, i want to ask you about congress as well. i want to show a clip from 1968, white house phone call between president johnson and his secretary of state, talking about a meeting between the senate foreign relations committee and talking about the state of the war in vietnam. here's a look. [video clip] >> we had a three-hour meeting with him the other night. mansfield, as usual, he was spaghetti, he had nothing to say. he is just against the war. sayi

this was a lot of month after that walter cronkite report. have got to find some alternative to turn this thing around a little bit. we are going to be in trouble and vietnam just murdered me. eventually wants to the next just three weeks. we've lost everything. we didn't know it was going to happen. the press is not with us. around.t to turn take an approach and that will get away from us. i don't know. if we don't, we're not going to get any support. got 140 people here who say they will not representative -- support us in the house of representatives. i think we would have that for two weeks. we've got to find something to put these people in the whole. we haven't got that on them yet. hannah why doesn't want peace. long way to go. them hamburgeret to eat once in a while. host: your reaction? the sort of all over the place. i think is really struggling with what to do. leading men who were foreign-policy, who urged him to escalate the war in 64 and 65 said you have to find a negotiated settlement. we are not going to win. that is what tipp

in 1984you went back with walter cronkite, what was the purpose? >> a review of the whole u.s.

but walter cronkite, you got 30 minutes of what to think. and so on february 28, wallet ends with a three -- walter cronkite ends his speech about the war in vietnam, and looks at the camera, he read from a script, says, looks at the viewer, and says, it seems more certain than ever that the bloody experience of vietnam is to end in a stalemate. to say we are closer to victory today is to believe in the face of evidence, the optimists who have been wrong. the off chance the military and political analysts are right -- it's clear to this reporter that the only rationale way out will be to negotiate. not as vehicle authorize -- victors, but as an honorable people who did the best they could. and so while this is playing out, there's a presidential election going on. in the summer of 1967, the democrats, a group of young left leaning democrats have started a jump johnson movement that is determined to find someone else to run for the democratic nomination. and they are, they cast for a number of potential candidates, landing first on tries to p

but you probably know walter cronkite or are more familiar with walter cronkite. so this is, this is, it's hard, this is where news came from, right? it's not like we've all tuned out from the news, how many people consulted a news source in the last 24 hours, yeah. so it's not like you're tuning out. you're probably tuning in more, you get more news than you want to get, right? we have too many places to find it. but then, walter cronkite or the two other news anchors were the places you went. the nightly news, you sat down every evening and got 30 minutes of what to think. and so on february 28th, cronkite ends his broadcast with a three-minute speech about the war in vietnam. and he looks at the camera, and he reads from a script, he looks up, at the viewer sitting in their living room and says, for it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of vietnam is to end in a stalemate. to say that we are closer to victory today is to believe in the face of evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past, to say that we are mired in stalemate

in 1984you went back with walter cronkite, what was the purpose? >> a review of the whole u.s.involvement. i must tell you it was a great withl for me to spend time a man like walter cronkite who was an incredible individual. to tell you how knowledgeable he is and what a fine man he is. this prison i was there for about two and a half years. >> what is your strongest memory? >> my strongest memory is the heat. all of thek about parts of it, starting in about march or april, it gets very hot. our rooms were not ventilated. the rooms were blocked off because they kept us isolated. and it got incredibly hot to in those rooms. hygiene so you got boils, dysentery. it was a tough period until the reins with start in july or august. when you went back in 1985, did you go back to this prison? yes. i tried to go to the other prison but it is still being used. that is a real prison. there were stocks on the wooden beds. -- i don't know how the french did architecture early and other ways but they built a good prison. >> did you hear much of the noise like what we are hearing now? >> yes

. >> and on february 7, 1968, walter cronkite says this.or it seems now more certain than ever, that the bloody experience of vietnam is to end in a stalemate. how significant was that back then? >> there were only three networks then. walter cronkite was considered the voice of america, so that content was vitally important. lbj used to say that a fn army s two divisions. >> former u.s. senator, former navy secretary, and let's get to your phone calls. james here in washington, d.c., a veteran of the vietnam war. go on, please. >> caller: thank you. half of my class in south carolina, 21 boys, 12 were vietnam veterans. there was over 8,000 americans, nurses, soldiers, marines would volunteer for vietnam almost every year of the war, and you could not get none of the presidents to get ready to move on the backlog of people waiting two and three years, entry people like myself cannot get in, and the va hospital can't make our claims. >> thank you, and you dealt with that in the senate. >> i dealt with it first of all as a vietnam veteran ser

once in 1985 with walter cronkite on the 10th anniversary of the fall of saigon. last march, we went back for a few days. we visited it again. we also went down to saigon. as you know, they call it that now. >> is it hard to go back? >> no. it was a long time ago. i have many vietnamese friends who were on the other side. there's no reason for me to hold a grudge or anger. there were individual guards that were very cruel. there's no sense in me hating the enemy's when, as you know, the vietnamese people are basically decent, gentle people. a victim of oppression and wars that have gone on for a couple of thousands years. i don't admire the communist system. i think they are going to fall sooner or later, just as the rest of communism is falling throughout the world. i hold no personal grudges. >> let's go over the statistics. you were in the navy for how many years? >> 22. from 1958 and i left in 1981. >> we did the plane go down? >> 1967. i was hit by a missile over the city of hanoi. we were bombing of thermal power plant. this was the first time we bombed a ta

walter cronkite was the voice of middle america or considered such.o that comment was vitally important. you know, lbj used to say that a post editorial writer who supported the war was worth two divisions. and probably walter cronkite was an entire army. >> our conversation with david merinas and jim webb, author of nearly a dozen books, former just senator. let's get to your phone calls. james here in washington, d.c., a veteran of the vietnam war, go ahead. >> caller: thank you. half of my class from south carolina, 21 boys, 12 are vietnam veterans. i was there and over 8,000 american nurses, marines, soldiers, would volunteer every year of the war. and you can't get anyone to move on the backlog of claims over 400,000 people, waiting fly a plane year after year. they can't make our planes. >> thanks for the call. and that seems to be the legacy. the service and the congress. 1977 i worked on the direct and the gentleman that called, i appreciate that very much. you're stepping forward and serving. and there's been a great big misunderstanding in t

walter cronkite was the entire army. host: our conversation with david maraniss. jim webb of -- jim webb, the author of nearly a dozen books. let's get to phone calls. james here in washington, d.c., a veteran. class fromf of my , 12 wereolina, 21 boys vietnam veterans. americans, 8000 marines wouldrs, volunteer for vietnam almost every year of the war. you can i get none of the president to move on the backlog of claims of over 400,000 people , people waiting to in three years. infantry people like myself can i get our plans moved at the va hospital, year after year. that seems to be one of the legacies of those who served in vietnam. you dealt with that in the senate. firsto with that as the -- i have been working veterans issues all my adult life. i would like to say to the gentleman, and appreciate very much your stepping forward and serving. there's been a great misunderstanding in this country about how proud the people served in vietnam are. we did a survey when i was on the committee counsel in 1980, $6 million survey exhausted attitudes toward vietnam vet

in 1985you went back with walter cronkite, what was the purpose? sen. mccain: they asked me because it was the 10th anniversary of the fall of saigon and they asked me as a review of the u.s. involvement. i must tell you it was a thrill for me to spend time with a man like walter cronkite, who was an incredible individual and i do not have to tell you how knowledgeable he is and what a fine man he is. >> how long were you inside this prison? sen. mccain: this particular prison i was there 2.5 years. >> what is just wrong this memory of this one? sen. mccain: the strongest one was the heat. when i think about all of the , starting in march and april it would get very hot in hanoi as you noticed. our rooms were not ventilated. windows were blocked off because they didn't want us to see each other. it used to get incredibly hot in the rooms and we did not have hygiene. dysentery and it would be very difficult until the rains started, which was july or august. >> when he went back in 1985, did you go back to this prison? thismccain: yes, i went to prison. i

then walter cronkite continued to say it has been reported that martin luther king has been assassinated in memphis tennessee. it changed our lives again. the three of us went into different parts of the house to reflect and think about what we had just heard and we came back together as a family, the three of us in the kitchen and i never shall forget that my father said to my mother and i, to the world he was doctor martin luther king jr. but u.s. p was very, very dear friend that we will miss dearly. this house after having been built in 1912 over 100 years, continues to welcome individuals in the world and people who were committed to the global community. this house deserves to continue to be deserved for generations yet unborn so they can hear a story about people who are connected to community here and all over the world. my goal is the final preservation of his house and there are not that many places like the jackson home still intact still telling a story so welcoming all. and those who are committed to justice peace and freedom. >> water pressure system activated

this one gentleman was more interested in talking about walter cronkite, how he missed days of walteras just not an issue at the rally, none of this. >> thank you for letting us be a fly on the wall, walking us through the moments, what it was like for you as a journalist. appreciate it. >> thanks. >>> any moment now, president trump is expected to honor an air force sergeant killed in battle in afghanistan. it will be the first medal of honor for an air man since the vietnam war. we will take you to the white house live. it's time for the 'biggest sale of the year' on the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and now, all beds are on sale. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery. ends saturday. >>> welcome back. right now, the president about to award the medal of honor. let's watch. ♪ >> for those that desire, may you join me now in prayer. holy father, we thank you for this day, for this national recognition and for technical sergeant john chapman. lord, we ent

>> there were only three networks that walter cronkite was considered the voice of middle america. that comment was vitally important. lbj said a post-editorial writer who supported the war was worth two divisions. and probably cronkite was an entire army. >> our conversation with david and jim webb, former u.s. senator, former navy secretary, and let's get to your phone calls. james in washington, d.c., a veteran of the vietnam war. >> thank you. boys half of my class from south carolina, 21 boys, 12 were vietnam veterans. i was at plaku. there were over 8000 american nurses, soldiers, marines would volunteer for vietnam almost every year of the war. you could not none of the presidents to move on the backlog of over 4000 people waiting two and three years. gunners, infantry people like myself year after year they can't make our plans. >> you dealt with that in the senate. >> i dealt with it as the first vietnam veteran to serve in the congress back in 1977. i worked in the veterans committee. i've been working veterans issues pro bono or professionally all my life. to the gentlema

magazines and news taught america at its most vulnerable and vibrant, early in 1968, cbs news man walter cronkite delivered his on-air assessment that the bloody experience of vietnam was to end in a stalemate. our guests are a former cbs journalist, who was the founding member of harvard university's center on media. and, photographer david hume kennerly, who was a photographer in the late 1960's. he covered senator robert kennedy's campaign, the vietnam war, and the white house. first, here is cbs news coverage of the 1968 democratic national convention in chicago. >> chicago, illinois. the convention of the democratic party, nominating tonight its candidate for the presidency. right now, seconding speeches are being made for senator mcgovern, then we will have a seconding speech for the reverend channing phillips of washington, d.c., a favorite candidate of the black caucus to this convention. there are some 212 negro delegates here. those who are not bound by other state requirements, such as

newsman walter cronkite delivered his on error assessment that the bloody experience of vietnam is to end in a stalemate. our guests are former cbs and nbc journalist marvin kalb, the founding director of harvard's center on media, politics, and public policy, and david hume caverly he covered senator robert kennedy's campaign, the vietnam war, and the white house. first, here is cbs news coverage of the 1968 democratic national convention in chicago. >> chicago, illinois. the convention of the democratic party, nominating tonight its candidate for the presidency. right now, seconding speeches are being made for senator mcgovern, then we will have a seconding speech for the reverend channing phillips of washington, d.c., a favorite candidate of the black caucus to

and then walter cronkite continued to say in his report that it has been reported that martin luther king jr. tonight has been assassinated in memphis, tennessee. it changed our lives again. the three of us went into different parts of this house to reflect, to think about what we had just heard, and we came back together as a family, the three of us, in the kitchen, and i never shall forget what my father said to my mother and i. to the world. -- to the world, he was dr. martin luther king jr. to us, he was a very, very dear friend that we will miss dearly. this house, having been built in 1912, over 100 years old now, continues to welcome individuals and the world and people who are committed to the global community. this house deserves to continue to be preserved for generations yet unborn so that they can feel and hear a story about people who are connected through community here and all over the world. my goal is the final preservation of this house and all that it contains. and, there are not that many places like the jackson home still intact, still telling a story and still w

but there is the experience of the world with different information set from the old days of walter cronkite -- it was not the same. we have been fragmented and that. -- in that. might be too idealist, you have been a strategist, maybe a moment like this will hopefully trigger some sort of idea that we can be nicer to each other? >> might be too idealist, they are usually fleeting moment. -- moments. >> i think there are moments when the country did come together, everybody are members 9/11. dear member -- do you remember the way the country was right after? we had been attacked. >> it was on ambi. guous.mbi they are usually fleeting and wepatently evil experienced it like no single event since pearl harbor. thing thatt sort of comes together, we remind ourselves that we are all americans, and i do not know if john mccain's death is as cataclysmic like that, but it is a reminder of what we have seen after what the country says we are all still together. >> the sad thing is when you think about who else is there of that ilk -- it is a pretty short list. >> there has to be a people out there w

and here's something that tet has demonstrated to people like walter cronkite. millions of people are displaced. how do you run a government in the middle of a war? how do you create stability? millions of refugees, many driven out of the country side into the city, which means overpopulation. how are you building the economy? again, in the midst oh of a war? easy process? absolutely not. so this is the challenge. so what johnson has talked about for a while now, we have to get those vietnamese boys to fight their own fight. that's the way he would characterize it. we need them to do their own fighting. too many american boys are dying. i was at the lbj ranch last thursday and at the library wednesday, so i can do the accent with the best of them. but yeah, we got to get them boys over there fighting, because all i want to see is more dead vc. but here's the problem. eric, you made a very good point on this, he's a lame duck. what pressure does he have to bear? especially on the south vietnamese who are looking and going, well, he's not going to be president in

were other networks and i think mike wallace, and there was a famous moment when l -- obj when walter cronkite, unfathomable poker walter -- uncle walter, at one point he had been talking to rather and said looks like we have a bunch of thugs down there. --t was a pretty but remarkable thing coming from the most trusted man in america. that is what lbj was reacting to. today if that happened, there would be one anchor among dozens. i am not sure the president would know who to call. host: let's go to brad in minnesota. caller: i enjoyed listening to the historical parts of what is happening in the united states. witharted in 1950 operation mockingbird in the cia manipulating the people through the media, but as we know they stopped the operation mockingbird by stopping the payments. the media was never -- got caught because they went with this eia doing this and now we have it that the media continues with the manipulating with the people. what you see is almost a pendulum. control from 1955 to 1995. not until we get a different part of the media, which is fox news, the conservative station. w

and here's something that tet has demonstrated to people like walter cronkite. millions of people are displaced. how do you run a government in the middle of a war? how do you create stability? millions of refugees, many driven out of the country side into the city, which means overpopulation. how are you building the economy? again, in the midst oh of a war? easy process? absolutely not. so this is the challenge. so what johnson has talked about for a while now, we have to get those vietnamese boys to fight their own fight. that's the way he would characterize it. we need them to do their own fighting. too many american boys are dying. i was at the lbj ranch last thursday and at the library wednesday, so i can do the accent with the best of them. but yeah, we got to get them boys over there fighting, because all i want to see is more dead vc. but here's the problem. eric, you made a very good point on this, he's a lame duck. what pressure does he have to bear? especially on the south vietnamese who are looking and going, well, he's not going to be president in

that amount and they're the they're supposed to be the people that are in charge they're the walter cronkite who are supposed to explain to you what the world around you is like how can they possibly know that grab a run for directing a film called game show you know twenty years ago now talking about news especially became fake news when the move from publicly owned airwaves to corporate own airwaves this is going on for twenty twenty five years in america it's just gone to absurd levels of hyper extension hyper normalisation with like rachel maddow now becoming rich alex jones you know in a skirt but the fact is that at the same time you have the ability through technology to address the problem you're talking about which is an uprising in the streets of some nature revolution to be appeased with cash nobody is going to storm the gates if they get a free five bucks from amazon to get some deal on a stool softener down there at whole foods they're just not going to they're going to be like i go do the revolution tomorrow because i just got five dollars sent to me from jeff bezos who is what

we are accustomed to the idea of walter cronkite and the new york times. >> we are hanging onto the idea that that is what the american way of journalism is. >> it wasn't all that great. he had to manipulate that system. mccarthy would call a press conference at 11:30 in the morning because he knew the papers closed at noon and he would say i'm speaking to a communist in des moines and the afternoon papers would flash. senator. seeks red in des moines. he'd wait until the 11:30 p.m. and say he is eluding me but i am redoubling my efforts. headlines across the country, senator. redoubled efforts. he wrote that to power and television helped undo it because when people could watch him, they did not want to that. he rose because of intense coverage and he fell because of intense coverage. that is the mysterious cycle. if anything-- if there would be more voices, and the cacophony there is a kind of chorus. >> i'm asking you to look back through presidents over time to find examples that support or don't support the idea that we need a free and fair press in this country. today there is a se

that amount and they're the they're supposed to be the people that are in charge they're the walter cronkite who are supposed to explain to you what the world around you is like how can they possibly know that i got to run for directing a film called game show you know twenty years ago now talking about news especially became fake news when they move from publicly owned airwaves to corporate own airwaves this is going on for twenty twenty five years in america it's just gone to absurd levels of hyper extension hyper normalisation with like rachel maddow now becoming rich alex jones you know in a skirt but. the fact is that at the same time you have the ability through technology to address the problem you're talking about which is an uprising in the streets of some nature a revolution to be appeased with cash nobody is going to storm the gates if they get a free five bucks from amazon to get some deal on a stool softener down there at whole foods they're just not going to they're going to be like i'd go do the revolution tomorrow because i just got five dollars sent to me from jeff bezos who

and more, are choosing to read the things i already agree with as opposed to having a kind of walter cronkite come all of us watch this one thing, and we make from there, but we start with a common set of facts. that is why it is so important for people who live in an area that is politically concentrated, either blue or red, to find people of a different political background or try to expose themselves to other things, because that is how we will he able to stitch our country back together in a really good way. one of the things unique about the democratic party is that the base of ideological voters in the democratic party is smaller than it is in republican-winni ng coalitions. when republicans win president, around 70% or 35% of their voters are so described conservatives. for democrat, it is about half and half. half say they are moderates, and have say they are liberal. democrats cannot win an election the same way donald trump did. that is why i think they are the better suited party to have this big tent, which is what we hope to see and build on. host: port st. lucie, florida, democr

that report from walter cronkite on the death of martin luther king jr. occurring 50 years ago this week. we're going to be talking about it this morning. certainly that topic and others as we cover civil rights and race relations from 1968. we're joined for that discussion this morning by kathleen cleaver, senior lecturer at emory university school of law as well as a former communications secretary for the black panther party, and from austin, texas, we welcome back peniel joseph, center for race and democracy as ut-austin. professor joseph, i want to begin with you. take us back to the end of 1967 and where the civil rights movement was as 1968 was dawning. this was 13 years since the brown v. board of education decision had been handed down. what was the state of the movement? >> well, i think the state of the movement was very strong, but it was also -- there was a lot of debate and there was a lot of controversy. in a way, when we think about the civil rights movement and dr. martin luther king jr. as this significant figure, this iconic figure, kin

we are accustomed to this air of walter cronkite. >> and that's the american way of journalism. it? uestion, is >> it wasn't that great. joe mccarthy knew how to control it. he would call it and said i am seeking a communist in des moines and the papers would flash senator seeks red in des moines and wait until 11:30 p.m. because the morning papers midnight and said he is alluding me but i am redoubling my efforts adand headlines on senator redoubles effort. he rose to power and television helped rto undue it because whe people could watch him on the mccarthy hearings they didn't want that and so his fall, he rose because of intense coverage and fell because of intense coverage and that's the mysterious cycle here. and so i think that if anything, the world is going to get more atomized and more voices and what we have to hope is that in the ca cav fany there is a chorus that checks and balances. >> i am asking to you look at presidents tover time to find examples that support or don't the idea that we need a fair press in this country because today there is the sense that the presi

. >> this is walter cronkite and he has 90,000 followers. >> reporter: and that's the way it is for lonnieg just fine a world away from her roots at harvard. >> your law school fellow students are jealous? >> probably. >> reporter: think they're laughing? >> not anymore. >>> the gospel choir that sang at the royal wedding of prince harry and meghan markle has landed a major record deal. charlie d'agata shows us how years of passion and dedication led to their moment in the spotlight. >> two, three, and -- ♪ >> reporter: karen gibson directs the kingdom choir through rehearsal the same as she ever did. but from that day forward everything has changed. >> i do feel that my life is completely different to, say, two, three months ago. completely. >> and how has it changed for you? you get recognized in the street? >> yeah, i do. yes. and that's nice. i'll tell you why it's nice. not because people know who i am. because they rarely know my name. but because you can see from their responses, from the look in their eye that actually they're being so sincere. when they say thank you. ♪ so darling

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as walter cronkite once said, that's the way it is. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with krchris hays starti right now. >> tonight on all in. >> explosive new testimony in the trial of paul manafort. >> tonight, why paul manafort's accou accountant said they falsified documents. >>> new reporting on the saudi money flooding trump's hotel. when all in starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. at the close of the first week of paul manafort's trial, things do not look good for the former campaign chairman. alleged tax evasion and bank fraud took on a human dimension. when his tax accountant testifying i knew it was wrong, i could have refused but that would expose the accounting firm to the risk of litigation or i could have called long time clients liars. i very much regret it. let's take stock of what mueller's team of prosecutors brought so far through the team of 14 witnesses already. there was an underlying method to manafort's consumer madness. when you bought clothing, for instance or even a suede beige