. >> this is the pbs newshour, from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkitel of journalism at arizona state university. >> president biden today announced the creation of the first ever federal office of gun violence prevention. it aims to curb the epidemic of firearm violence in america. so far this year, there have been more than 500 mass shootings in this country. and some 25 t,000 people have died. that is 118 deaths per day. the president says that toll was far too high. >> i'm determined to send a clear message about how important these issue -- this issue is to be and to the country. after every mass shooting, we hear a simple message, the same message heard all over the country. do something. my administration has been working relentlessly to do something. >> our white house correspondent joins us now to break down what we can expect from this new office. hi. the number of dead from -- from guns in america is horrendous. what is this new office intending to do? >> it's going to be essential -- a central hub for coordination and public outreach. as you

. >> this is the pbs newshour, from weta studios in washington, and in the west, from the walter cronkiteournalism at arizona state university. amna: the federal reserve may not have hiked interest rates today, but that didn't provide much relief to many struggling with the burden of the higher costs of borrowing. the fed's series of hikes over more than a year has triggered a big jump in mortgage rates, pushing them to their highest level in more than two decades. we're going to focus on what this has meant for potential and current homeowners. first, perspectives from borrowers and a real estate broker. >> my husband recently retired, so we are looking at possibly building a home that would be something we could age into and something that would be adaptive, should we need those services in our future. >> my wife and i relocated from another state back to california to be closer to family. we are all very lucky to be retired, and we just sold our home and have been looking very aggressively for the last year. >> the reality is, a lot of buyers have backed off and have slowed down their

. >> this is the pbs newshour, from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite journalism at arizona state university. geoff: rupert murdoch, the chair of fox and news corp, is stepping down from running his global media empire. john yang has more on his legacy and successor. john: geoff, over his seven-decade career, rupert murdoch presided over arguably the biggest global media empire ever in the english-speaking world newspapers, television and movies in the united states, britain and australia. the wall street journal and the new york post. he's used them to promote u.s. -- his settlement with dominion voting systems. david folkenflik, npr media correspondent and author of the book murdoch's world: the last of the old media empires david, when rupert murdoch steps down in november, he's going to hand the reins over to his elder son, lachlan, who's 52. do you think anything's going to change then about the approach the tone the political slant of particularly fox news and the other fox news outlets, newspapers? >> i don't. i think that lachlan is, if anything

. >> this is the pbs newshour from w eta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. amna: the nation of turkey sits at a crossroads of the world, and its president, recep tayyip erdogan, is its preeminent leader. reelected to office earlier this year, erdogan has now been in power 22 years. both a nato and u.s. ally, turkey's connections to the west are important and vital. but erdogan will go his own way when it suits him, as he told me yesterday. we sat down for an exclusive interview at the turkish house across the street from the united nations, where he will speak this week. thank you for taking the time to sit down with us. >> thank you. amna: you said just yesterday your country may abandon its bid to join the european union, they have previously cited concerns about democratic backsliding and human rights. you have been seeking e.u. membership since 1999. are you prepared to abandon that? pres. erdogan: we attach great importance to the decision made by the you. if the eu would take such a step forward we woul

. >> this is the pbs "newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkitel of journalism at arizona state university. >> the former leader of the extremist proud boys group enrique tarria was sentenced to 22 years in prison for his role in the january 6 attack. we have more on what the sentence mean and the larger threat of extremism. >> tarria's sentence is the harshest punishments handed down today for those convicted for their involvement on january 6. he led the proud boys, white power group that played a critical part in carrying out the insurrection. the group is just one part of a trend. an increase in white supremacist and far right violence. those extremist movements, top u.s. law enforcement officials say pose the biggest domestic terrorism threat facing the country. i am joined by kathleen balou an historian of the author of "bring the war home," and shamus hughes of the university of nebraska omaha. kathleen and shamus, thank you for joining us. tarrio wasn't at the u.s. capitol on january 6 because he was arrested a few days prior for setting f

. >> this is "the pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from walter cronkitechool of journalism at arizona state university. >> it is a growing alliance sparking concern from the u.s. and its allies. in his first trip outside north korea since the pandemic, kim jong-un met vladimir putin in russia today to discuss if they each have something the other wants. stephanie reports on what that could be and the ramifications a deal would have for ukraine and the rest of the world. >> the kim dynasty's preferred form of transit, an old-fashioned armored luxury train rolled into russia carrying the supreme leader. meeting only for the second time, kim jong-un and vladimir putin greeted each other like two familiar autocrats. this summit lasted at least five hours with promises of greater economic and security cooperation. there were no signed agreements, but gushing support for putin's invasion of crimea. >> russia is currently engaged in a justified against hegemonic forces to defend its sovereign rights, security, and interest. >> up against a nato-supplied ukrainia

from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizonaniversity. amna: america's democracy is in an uncharted and fragile place, according to two harvard government professors. with the presidential election a little more than a year away, laura barron-lopez explores the issue. one of america's two major political parties has turned away from democracy, warn steven levitsky and daniel ziblatt. one key accomplice to the backsliding, they say, are politicians called semi-loyalists, who rather than expel anti-democratic extremists from their party ranks, accept and make room for them. why is this happening? their new book, "tyranny of the minority," concludes that part of the problem lies in the constitution. they join me now. thank you so much for joining. steve, can you first establish we knew, as someone as an expert in the collapse of democracies, diagnosed that there is now a popular authoritarian movement within the republican party? steven: there have been authoritarian movements in both parties historically. what is new is it became

. >> this is "the pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkiteournalism at arizona state university. geoff: this past february, a norfolk southern training carrying hazardous chemicals derailed in a small ohio village, east palestine. the toxic freight was burned to avoid a possible explosion, sending a black cloud of smoke drifting ominously into the air. many residents and plaintive wretches, sore throats, nausea and headaches. it's been over seven months and the cleanup is ongoing and some residents tell us they are still concerned about ingoing effects on their health, the economic future of their community and whether this could happen again. joining us to talk about those concerns is the ceo of norfolk southern. it is good to see you again. alan: a pleasure to be with you. last time we were together was seven months ago in the immediate aftermath and at that point i made the commitment that we were going to make it right and we are keeping our promises and i'm proud of the progress made but i understand there's more work to be done. geoff:

. >> this is the "pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiteournalism at arizona state university. amna: tomorrow marks one month since the wildfires in maui raged out of control, claiming too many victims and destroying an historic part of the island. now residents and businesses are trying to recover and eventually rebuild, amid so much grief and loss. the flames have died down, but maui is still mourning all that was lost. tiare: we haven't even had the first funeral yet, and they're already talking about rebuilding lahaina? amna: it was one month ago that wildfires broke out on maui. they blazed through west maui, scorching lahaina, once the capital of the hawaiian kingdom. hundreds of structures were destroyed. kehau: within minutes, our whole neighborhood was covered in smoke, and we were just fighting to get out of here. amna: some could only escape by fleeing into the water. the death toll now stands at 115, the deadliest american wildfire in more than a century. the official missing person list is at 385. thousands of people are stayin

. >> this is the pbs newshour from w eta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. >> for the first time, we are seeing inside the courtroom for a hearing about one of the indictments of donald trump. the former president was not in the georgia courthouse today. he and his 18 co-defendants pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges last week. prosecutors laid out a timeline for the potential trial. one they say could last four months and rely on more than 150 witnesses. and the judge ruled at least two defendants, trump attorneys kenneth chesebro and sidney powell, will be tried together, likely in october. stephen fowler is a reporter for georgia public broadcasting. he was following today's hearing and joins us from atlanta. good to see you. attorneys for sidney powell and kenneth chesbro wanted to separate the cases from each other and from the 17 other defendants. why did they want that and how did that go over with the judge today? >> first and foremost the two of them wanted to request speedy trials. under geor

. >> this is the "pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiteof journalism at arizona state university. amna: there are a number of issues swirling this week, with potential economic and political fallout, from the ongoing autoworkers strike, to a looming shutdown, to the first hearing in the impeachment inquiry into president biden. geoff bennett spoke to vice president kamala harris about all of that at morehouse college in atlanta today, where she courted young voters as part of a monthlong multistate college tour. geoff: well, madam vice president, thanks so much for your time. vp harris: thank you, geoff. geoff: and, as we're here in atlanta today, president biden is in michigan. he's visiting the picket line of the united auto workers. never before in modern history has a president sided so publicly with labor during an active strike. why was that the right approach? why not let the collective bargaining process play out, as this administration has done in previous labor disputes? vp harris: well, president biden has been very clear that w

. >> this is the pbs newshour from washington and walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona stateniversity. >> a new round of boosters will be available within days as covid cases and hospitalizations continue to rise across the country. the fda approved new shouts yesterday and now the cdc recommended all-americans six months and older should get a new booster. dr. mandy cohen joins me now to discuss. welcome. let's talk about where we are as a nation. covid deaths are far below where they once were, only 20% of americans got the last booster and life has reverted to pre-covid behavior. what is your best argument? >> we all wish covid would be fully in the rearview mirror but is still here with us, it is still percolating -- circulating and making some people very sick. we have more tools to protect ourselves, we just have to use them. today, the cdc recommended everyone over six months get an updated vaccine. plaques should people who got the booster assume that the immunity has waned? >> it's important to know that your immunity does decrease over time, vaccines are very good a

. >> this is the pbs newshour, from weta studios in washington and from the walter cronkite school ofm at arizona state university. >> target announced that it is planning to close several stores, citing retail theft and organized retail crime. as rising concerns and questions. the retail giant said it would close nine stores in four states next month, including new york, san francisco, portland, and seattle. they were doing so out of the concern for safety for workers and customers. this discussion that decision comes as other retailers say theft has become a significant problem for their bottom lines. retailers are locking up more merchandise. there is a notable rise and organized theft. others point to a disturbing number of smash and grab robberies, including looting in philadelphia early this week. the national retail federation said inventory loss cost retailers about $112 billion. some industry observers say those figures are not clear. a former walgreens executive acknowledged during an earnings call that maybe we cried too much last year when it came to characterizing that --

most of all in a series of remarkable interviews in his presidency with cbs anchorman walter cronkite, he explained that in the course of his presidency he would go through a calculated ritual. he would invite white house aides into the oval office, and they knew that there duty was to stand while he cursed a blue streak and they would leave and he would think them ever -- thank them later. he inherited this terrible temper most likely from his father david. ike's remarkable mother taught him early on to practice the fine art of emotional self-control, and he would struggle all his life to do that. host: two phrases always associated with eisenhower's presidency. one is the hidden hand, and the other is middleweight politics. -- middle way politics. guest: the hidden hand was a term coined in a book published in 1982, the hidden hand presidency. the book was a revelation to a great many people, two historical scholars -- to historical scholars, a lot of people including adlai stevenson liberals who had perceived ike as an out of touch duffer long past his prime. eisenhower was creatin

from weta studios in washington, and from the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona university. >> in february, a norfolk southern train carrying hazardous chemicals derailed in the small ohio village of east palestine. soon after the derailment, officials burned the toxic freight to avoid a possible explosion, sending a black cloud of smoke drifting ominously into the air. as residents returned to their homes days after the crash, many complained of rashes, sore throats, nausea, and headaches. it's now been over seven months. the cleanup of the derailment site is ongoing, and some residents tell us they're still concerned about the lingering effects on their health, the economic future of their community, and whether something like this could happen again. joining us now to talk about those concerns is the ceo of norfolk southern, alan shaw. thank you for coming in. alan: it is a pleasure to be with you. the last time we were together was in east palestine in the immediate aftermath. i made a commitment that we were going to make it right, and we are keeping our pro

i watched the walter cronkite piece that you played in the beginning of the segment.re's no interest in telling both sides of the story. forever. i have been the subject of so many hit pieces. and i have started so many times cordially, let me tell my side of the story. your facts are off. if anybody with an open mind who has not made their judgment, who listens to about size is going to be, you know what? this guy is not who we are portraying him to be. no one has ever -- that is the only time that phone call that i had to records, that is the only time i have ever talked to who has written a he peace about me. it is crazy but that is the state of journalism. you know, i grew up in an era with my dad, if i was not in media, i do know that i would know any differently. "the new york times" is garbage. "the washington post" is garbage. they have no interest in the truth, none. travon walker you know, because you were successful without them, so that drives them crazy. have you ever spoken to someone that has written a hit piece about you? that was the first time? >> ra

. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour from w eta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiternalism at arizona state university. geoff: rupert murdoch the chair of fox news core is steppin down from running his global media empire. john yang has more on his legacy and his successor. reporter: over seven decades he has some bold and unmatched global media empire. newspapers, television and movies in the u.s., britain and australia. it includes a fox sports, the wall street journal and the new york post. the 92-year-old murdoch has yielded -- they have also led to some self-inflicted wounds most notably fox news's settlement with dominion voting systems for defamation over the 2020 election. npr's media correspondent is also the author of murdoch's world. when rupert murdoch steps down in november he will hand out the reins over to his elder son, who is 52. will anything change about the approach, the tone, the political slant of particularly fox news? reporter: i don't. i think the sun if anything is slightly more conservative than his father and less politically engaged. and

. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour from the studios in washington and from the walter cronkite school ofat arizona state university. geoff: former president donald trump pleaded not guilty today to charges in georgia that accuse him and 18 allies of trying to upend the 2020 presidential election results in that state. the plea allows mr. trump to avoid an in-person arraignment next week. we're joined now by stephen fowler, who covers politics for georgia public broadcasting. >> trump has filed a motion to sever from defendants who are requesting a speedy trial. at least two people are saying they want to have a trial as soon as possible, which could be as early as october. trump says that would violate his rights and he is asking for as long as possible to have the trial. this comes as the judge also ruled that there will be cameras in the courtroom. the judge will stream all of the court hearings on a youtube channel and we will be able to watch things in real time. geoff: there is also news involving governor kemp and a district attorney. some trump aligned republicans agree with the g

. >> this is the pbs newshour w eta studios in washington and in the west from walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. geoff: the united auto workers strike is now in its fifth day, and while it's limited to a few plants now, the uaw president threatened to expand it starting friday. the battle largely centers on a dispute over wages, job protections and benefits. but as william brangham reports, the larger shift toward electric vehicles is also a major factor looming in all of this. william: this strike has brought some simmering, long-held disputes about electric cars into the spotlight. as automakers invest billions in the next generation of electric vehicles and as the federal government provides big financial incentives for doing so, autoworkers fear that electric vehicles, which require fewer parts and less servicing than gas-powered ones, will render some jobs obsolete. so how will this impact america's push toward electric cars and trucks? we're joined by david ferris, who covers this closely for politico and e&e news. so good to have you on the progr

. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkitechool of journalism at arizona state university. amna: as the clock ticks down to a government shutdown and union workers continue their strike against car manufacturers, there could be major implications for the u.s. economy and the political landscape. here to break down the stakes, amy walter of "the cook political report with amy walter." and tamara keith of npr. thanks for being here. five days left until the deadline to fund the government or there is a shutdown. speaker mccarthy said he is a believer they can get a stopgap funding bill done, but the hold up is it is republicans' inability to reach consensus. if there is a shutdown, is not clear to the american public, that this is a potential republican shutdown? >> i don't know if they are paying as close attention, there is a lot of other news. the reality is we are spending a lot of time talking about one person, kevin mccarthy, and the number of republicans in the house saying we are ok with a shutdown because we didn't get

. >> this is the pbs newshour in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. geoff: last night in simi valley, california seven republican presidential candidates took the stage for the second primary debate held at the ronald reagan presidential library. on full display, the party's unequivocal transformation since the reagan era. white house correspondent laura barron-lopez is back with our report on the night. reporter: at times combative and unfocused, seven gop presidential hopefuls desperately tried to steal the spotlight away from former president donald trump. >> this is where president went wrong -- president went wrong. reporter: some risked new jabs at the party's standard-bearer . >> you know who else is missing in action? donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you to defend his record where they added 7.8 trillion to the debt that set the stage for the inflation that we have now. reporter: but early attacks against the absent frontrunner flopped. >> you are ducking these things. and let me

. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiteournalism at arizona state university. >> the mayor of new york is warning that the city could be destroyed if it doesn't get more help to cope with an influx of migrants. city officials describe a humanitarian crisis straining resources filling up shelters and putting pressure on new york city schools. >> among the over100,000 asylum seekers in new york city are thousands of children going back to school this week. >> are y'all excited to be back in school? >> it's the largest public school system in the country now educating some 21,000 students living in temporary housing, a number that reflects the increase in migrant families arriving in the city. >> we are welcoming all of these new migrant students into our schools with open arms. >> open but strained arms. >> this issue will destroy new york city, destroy new york city. >> mayor eric adams has promised a humane response while stressing resources are overwhelmed. >> the real issue that we are seeing is not a resource issue. it i

. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiteool of journalism at arizona state university. amna: as the nation moves closer to a government shutdown there , is still no clear path for funding the government either ahead of or following the deadline this weekend. congressional correspondent lisa desjardins has more. lisa: whenever a deal is ultimately struck to avoid a shutdown or re-open the government, it's highly likely that moderate republicans will feature prominently. new york congressman mike lawler is one of them. he represents parts of the hudson valley, where he grew up and where he worked in government and politics for years before flipping a seat for republicans and entering congress this year. thank you for joining us. this is a baffling situation for many americans. i wonder, how do you think house republicans -- i know you can be blunt about this -- look to americans right now? rep. lawler: some of my colleagues have created a situation that has undermined our ability to govern. and people are frustrated including

. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. william: president biden today announced a creation of the first ever federal office of gun violence prevention. it aims to curb the epidemic of firearm violence in america. so far this year, there have been more than 500 mass shootings in this country and some 2500 people have died because of guns. that is roughly 118 deaths per day, according to the gun violence archive. the president said that toll is far too high. pres. biden: i'm determined to send a message about how important this issue is to me, and to the country. after every mass shooting, we hear a simple message, the same message all over the country, and i've been to every mass shooting. do something. well, my administration has been working relentlessly to do something. william: our white house correspondent laura barron lopez joins us now to break down what we can expect from this new office. the number of dead from guns in america is just horrendous. what is this, new o

from w eta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizonaniversity. >> in the middle of war, a shakeup at ukraine's highest level of government. the defense minister summit at his resignation after president zelenskyy yesterday announced plans to replace him. his successor is rustem umerov, a lawmaker whose family is from crimea. the move comes in the midst of president zelenskyy's efforts to fight corruption in his government and inside the military. >> i believe the ministry needs new approaches and other formats of interaction with the military and society at large. now rustem umerov should lead the ministry. >> for more we turn to the deputy executive director of the ukrainian branch at transparency international, a global network aiming to fight corruption. so his removal comes in the wake of a number of corruption scandals involving ukraine's ministry of defense. earlier this year the ministry faced blowback for allegedly purchasing food for soldiers at inflated prices. what more can you tell us about the ministry of defense, how it ha

. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiteournalism at arizona state university. geoff: the former leader of the extremist proud boys group, enrique tarrio, was sentenced to 22 years in prison today for his role in the january 6 attack. laura barron-lopez has more on what this sentence means and the larger threat of far-right extremism. laura: enrique tarrio's sentence is the harshest punishment handed down to date for those convicted for their involvement on january. tarrio led the proud boys, a white power group that played a critical part in carrying out the insurrection. the group is just one part of a trend, an increase in white supremacist and far-right violence. those extremist movements, top u.s. law enforcement officials say, pose the biggest domestic terrrorism threat facing the country. to discuss this, i'm joined by kathleen belew, a historian at northwestern university and author of "bring the war home: the white power movement and paramilitary america." and seamus hughes of the university of nebraska omaha's nati

. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkitechool of journalism at arizona state university. john: a ban on gender affirming medical care for transgender youth when into effect in texas today, making it the most populous state to date with a ban. an estimated 30,000 young people in texas between the ages of 13 and 17 identify as transgender. the new law revokes the medical licenses of any doctor who provides minors with gender-affirming medical care, like puberty blockers, hormone treatments, or surgeries. beyond texas, the gender-affirming care for some 300,000 young people who identify as transgender is under threat. laura barron-lopez has been following all of this. what is the situation in texas right now? laura: right now, the law is fully in effect, and it is going to ban providers from giving puberty blockers, hormone treatments, surgeries which are very rare for minors to transgender youth in the state of texas. it is also going to require that if any of these patients are currently receiving those treatments that they a

. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite journalism at arizona state university. geoff: president joe biden just wrapped a whirlwind trip to asia. first to new delhi where he met with leaders of the world's most powerful economies at the g20 summit. then, an historic trip to vietnam, his first ever. both visits are seen as a further push by the biden administration to counter china's influence in asia and the wider developing world. in hanoi, president biden announced an increased partnership with vietnam, a major relationship upgrade for the u.s., right on beijing's store -- beijing's doorstep. but while speaking to reporters, the president cautioned this deal is not about containing china. pres. biden: that is what this trip is all about, having india cooperate more, the closer to the united states, vietnam be closer to the united states. it is not about containing china. it is about having a stable base. a stable base in the indo-pacific. geoff: to discuss the significant of his trip to vietnam and what it means for washi

. >> just listen to walter cronkite. >> the old principles of print journalism.that's gooe the principles d j. it's honesty. fairness., truth and the totality of the story telling both sides of a controversial story. all of those things should al be practiced in every story that is carried on the air. pr story t newsrooms used to bel with scrappy, middle class guys chasing scoopsed w with a pen ad paper. >> today's newsrooms, aney're staffed with insecur social climbers from northeast liberal arts colleges. >> the culture has been captured by academic snobs and american intelligence. reporters are just infantry for an ideology. they wage corporate terrorismth against their enemies seeking to bankrupeiies.t whoever editor tells them to do. >> just this weekend , cbs newsce pressured apple ceo tim cookd ae to advertise on twitter? >> it's something that we ask ourselves. generally, my view is twitter's an important property. >> i like the concept that it's there for discourse and there is a town square. there's also some things about it i don't liksodon'e. >> there

. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkiteool of journalism at arizona state university. amna: there are a number of issues swirling this week with potential economic and political fallout, from the ongoing auto workers strike to a looming shutdown to the first hearing in the impeachment inquiry into president biden. geoff bennett spoke to vice president kamala harris about all of it at morehouse college in atlanta today where she courted young voters as part of a month-long, multi-state college tour. >> modern vice president, thanks so much for your time. we are here in atlanta today. president biden is in michigan, visiting the united article -- united auto workers pig never before has a president sided so publicly with labor during an active strike. why that approach? why not let the collective bargaining process play out? vp. harris: president biden has been very clear that we are proud, that we will be the most prolabor administration probably in the history of our country. we believe that it is important to support worke

hard [ laughter ] that's like if you got wasted and [ bleep ] your pants at a college party, and walter cronkitehere to report on it [ laughter ] "a harrowing scene today at sigma chi as kevin lost control of his bowls at 3:00 a.m. pacific time, and -- [ light laughter ] defecated into his trousers. [ laughter ] but it truly is humiliating. mccarthy has now lost eight straight votes for speaker of the house. this is the first time in 100 years it's taken even more than one ballot to elect a speaker, let alone eight and the crazy thing is, because nothing else can happen until a speaker is elected, mccarthy just has to sit there, losing votes over and over. the only other thing the house can do is adjourn, but then when they come back from adjournment they just have to vote again that's it. mccarthy's stuck in some sort of nightmarish existential purgatory like the waiting room scene in "beetlejuice. you know, but next to someone scarier than anyone in that movie. [ laughter ] he's lost eight times, and every time they hold one of these votes it goes down pretty much the exact same way they call

the interim the interview that president kennedy did at hyannis in labor day weekend, 1963 with walter cronkite have seen that if you have it, go on youtube and watch it and i remember it was because cbs was changing their evening news program from 15 minutes to 30 minutes expanding it to it is to this day and i remember watching this on youtube, bob and mark, you mentioned the the discussions not only of whether to have a withdrawal plan or when to withdrawal and how to withdraw and what to do. the public's understanding of and the famous line that i always recall from having seen this clip is kennedy saying, you know, it's there in the end. and the final analysis is he often said it's their war, it's the vietnamese war. you know, we can help them but we can't win it for. and then i hear in my mind in 1967 and 68, his brother robert saying the same thing, and he would, as president kennedy said in the final analysis, their war. we can help them. we can't win it for them. and he's saying that as he prepares to run and then runs in 68, also with tragic circumstances surrounding it. so was there