walter dellinger, let me start with you. you'd estimated moe than 20 cases you argued before justice kennedy. what do you remember about making those arguments before him? >> well, one of the great qualities of justice kennedy was that, in many important cases, you kneheas open to be persended by cogent arg so that, i think often, advocate felt he was someone who could be persuaded. i think he wasn as sharp a questioner as some of his colleagues, but i think that was offset by a quality of open-mindedness. >> nawaz: orin kerr, you perhaps got to see him in a way the rest of us did not. tell me a lilt biabout this man who, for so many, played such a pivotal role in some of the biggest issues of our time. did those issues weigh on him? >> he certainly thought bout they and deeply issues that the court was considering and, as walter dellinger just noted, i think h had more open mind towards the direction that the law should go te n somother justices. something that frustrated people on both sides, he was not a reliable vote for

>> i agree with walter dellinger, i think there's likely to be major changes in american law in a way we haven't seen in a long time. it's important to realize justice kennedy has been on the court for 32 years and a centerm vote pretch that entire time. so even though individual cases might be seen to bring the law in a particular direction, that stability of having that same person be the deciding vote or one of the deciding votes s actually relatively stability. i suspect we're about to enter a time of things being much more in flux than we've seen in decades. >> michael dorf, let me ask you about some of your morpersonal remembrances as well with. this is a man who prented himself in a very professional manner on the bench as all thees justo. it was hard to read where he was coming from on some of the issues. a what do you knut how he considered some of the biggest cases, the ones that will now only be really judged by history?v >> he prepareery strenuously for all of the cases the court faced. he would read all of the briefs. it actually was a bit frustrating to me as a law clerk

--fessor walter dollinger walter dellinger. mexico's watershed election. a candidate, the key issues, and the stakes. that is coming up next. this is bloomberg. ♪ back. welcome mexicans head to the polls on sunday to choose their next president. our next guest is antonio gaza. -- antonio garza. lopez the candidates is obrador. as you know, the campaigns closed yesterday. 's closed at aztec stadium to huge crowds. the two other candidates chose to close their campaigns, one in quiajuato, and the other in aila. a northern state. manuel lopez obrador has characterized his campaign as a stubborn one. arena.been in the public this is his third time running for the presidency. in past elections, he has been characterized as everything from mexico's version of hugo chavez to a populist who would up and the neoliberal open trade model. this campaign has seen a more temperate lopez obrador. possibilityopen the of reviewing the energy reform, not necessarily saying he would reverse it, but review some of the concessions under the existing framework. as relates to tr