>> well, i was talking about this bach a couple of weeks ago to my friend walter isaac son that wrote the biography of steve jobs and wrote about this, we had this very conversation and he said, oh, well steve jobs is the ultimate guy who was both versions of the sixties, who was the hippy and the buccaneer, i can -- >> rose: that is a interesting thing about the book how he merged those two ideas. >> exactly but i can also make my computers in china and not give any money to philanthropy and that is selfishness that has -- you know, a good side -- >> rose: in his development he saw himself as a, quote, flower child. >> yes. late in the day. >> rose: and he still was when he was thinking about, you know, changing the world in terms of hard know nosed business develo. >> he is -- he and all what david brooks calls the bohemians are the people who, for whom all of those, what i think are all the results of the sixties were kind of a win-win, they are prosperous and the they also geo be bohemians. >> rose: where do you put -- you wrote a book, i mean you wrote a magazine story, time maga