walter mccormick is the presideet andcaeo -- and ceo of the telecommunications group. >> we represent the nation puts a broadband service providers. we provide service in urban areas -- nation's broadband service providers. areas and urban areas.rural >> is broadband is reclassified as title ii, what time do you perceive to your member companies? >> broadbent basically has been zoned for enterprise. it has been zoned for development, and what we have seen our inside ordinary investment in innovation and jobs. -- what we have seen our extraordinary investment in innovation and jobs. this will create a pervasive, economic regulation type of structure that has never been designed in the united states. this was designnd for a monopoly era. it was applied to the old telephone industry when there provider. in return for that, the government per basically -- pervasively regulated the industry. >> but again, what is the harm to your industry? >> it impacts our ability to be able to move quickly and to innovate, and to be able to what t does is create great regulatory uncertainty, and uncertai

two years with caffeine -- cathy sloan and walter mccormick. that will be on c-span [applause] host: we want to focus on pensions. we are joined by the former executive director of the pension benefit guarantee organization. let me more broadly ask you about how many people in this country currently receive pensions and what impact the economy is having on state and local budgets in cut -- in pain for government pensions?+ guest: 20% of the private sector purges. in a traditional defined payment plans. many of them have been frozen and are no longer accruing benefits. in public sector, it is much greater.. we have closer to 90% penetration which has caused a lot of heartburn, a lot of pressure, on state and local governments. we see this in california, illinois, new jersey, and other states and localities. host: that we sell -- let me separate private and public. what are the chances you'll get a pension if you stay with the cut -- still with the company for 25 or 30 yyars? guest: less than half of the fortunate hundred companies offer a tradit

. >> two views from the computer industry association katherine sloan and walter mccormick on "the communicateors" on c-span2. >> something different is going on here, and you need to appreciate how different it is to our system of government. >> the framers created it after studying the great law givers in history. >> the government concedes that the destruction of documents in anticipation of a proceeding -- >> these cases are very important. we don't sit here to make the law. we decide who wins under the law that the people have adopted. >> if there are 4-9 of us that want to hear any of these cases, we'll hear it. >> we cannot have a decision of this court. >> why is it that we have an elegant imposing, impressive structure? it is to remind us that we have an important function and to remind the public of the importance of the knew tralt of the law. -- the nutrality of the law. >> it amazes me and gives me faith in our country to know hoo much people trust the courts. >> i think the danger is that sometimes people come into a building like this and think it important. that is something that i