that looks like walter mondale. >> i believe that's walter mondale. of course, the -- the senator from minnesota who became jimmy carter's vice president. 1976. he, of course, ran himself in 1984. >> yes, he did. and on the other side of the screen there, you will see vicki kennedy greeting still members of the congressional delegation and others who are coming to pay their final respects. a long set of days for her in this final good-bye to her husband. must be extremely trying time. and from all estimates she appears to be holding up quite well. senator franken now in the live pictures we are showing you. saying good-bye. walking by senator ted kennedy's casket. >> also jon meacham, as you said, front page of the "new york times," story about kennedy's closest confidant in politics as well as life. and that -- talking about vicki kennedy. jon meacham, what are your thoughts? >> i was just thinking as we look at the images of -- going to what mika was talking about. the democracy of death is obviously perennial fascination because it is going to come

glenn: walter mondale! i can't believe we get along. pat, you are concerned for our republic, as i am. i was thinking about it this weekend that people like you -- we don't agree on much, but we agree that america is a good place and the constitution is good, and that's our system. would you agree or disagree that this is not a democratic or republican or democrat problem. this is a problem with radical revoluntionaries holding positions of power. >> in is very disturbing to me for that reason. first of all, most americans, 90% of americans, i would say, agree on the big ideas that this is a country that is an exceptional nation, what we have done for the word. we have made mistakes, no doubt about that. we take care of our future and our children. this are things we agree on about our liberties that far ex seed -- far exceed anything about our division in our parties. it is a phony let's hate everybody while we get to do what we do. let's get this right. from my perspective, i think it is a threat to the democratic party and a threat t

happened with senator wellstone when he passed away and that turned into a rah-rah pep rally for walter mondalend it was very disrespectful and didn't go over well. i think that the democrats now are starting to label it kennedy care and trying to shift the dynamic over to making it part of kennedy's legacy to help them push this through, i don't think the american people at this point are going to buy it because that's pretty much kennedy, people know the family but they don't know what kennedy did outside the beltway or the northeast. >> do you think it's admirable that this man, for a half a century, tried to provide healthcare for all americans and tried every means he could do that? has there been anyone that could champion something that impacts on every american, whether you agree with the way he dd it or the components or not? >> what about his -- >> that's arguable. >> looking at the healthcare debate, kennedy is one that could bring all fak shons together on an issue and he was very persuasive in his 47-year career. it is a huge loss, i think, to advance the entire healthcare bill wit

walter mondale, obviously the vice president who also proceed to have a nervous breakdown during the period of time that we are discussing. and also probably perhaps well-known, if you know to say, jimmy carter's pollster pat caddell cabell caddell, who is the mastermind behind pushing harder to make the speech as he does. there are numerous fights within the white house over what carter should do to respond to the crisis. and the fights are acrimonious. they are brutal, and in one case there is a fight breaks out it goes on for 10 hours. this is the period of time in which walter mondale simply melts down and has to leave the room because he is so completely freak out at what is going on within the administration. there's people screaming at one another. that is expletives used. it's a very conflictual time. i'm not going to give the story only about all the ins and outs of the brutal fights, but there are a number of these that are very crucial to defining how carter is trying to struggle with what it is that he should do as he goes forward and faces the chaos of the country is des

his qualifications for the largest mortgage company in the world was that he had been walter mondale's campaign manager. he puts him on the board there. glenn: real quick, let me ask you -- why is no one connecting these dots? >> that's what drives me crazy corruption is killing this country. it is corruption on on the republican side and the democratic side. it is a cancer on the society. no one will touch this story. nobody has made this connection in the media, well, because they have decided they have a new role, which is to serve as lackeys. glenn: you are a democrat. i am an independent. i am a conservative. let me tell you something -- >> both these parties are in trouble. glenn: they are in deep trouble. you bring us any connections, i will air the story with my last breath. >> there is so much to uncover. glenn: you stay close to us, sir and we will uncover it. >> will do. back in a minute many >> when an faster and easier than ever before? well now you can, introducing the new... powerful... lightweight... oreck xl platinum vacuum. you don't vacuum open floors, you vacuum roo

a young minneapolis politician walter mondale.my sense of 1964 is never turn you're back in a liberal in a tight corner. [laughter] >> also fannie lou hamer, that they took a vote and act mfd and decided they would not accept the compromise and the young people who were there actually left that meeting feeling very proud they had made the right decision. >> the interesting saying is that is the view that i came with the four started to look at this. nothing that i looked at change my view of what mattered but that was not i.f. stone of view. as i say in the book, 85 was -- i.f. stone was so sold on the possibility that lyndon johnson was really going to hammer through civil-rights and it would take somebody like johnson, as we said 10 years later it took a next 10 to go to china it would take a johnson to pass the civil-rights act. it did take a john sen. he said we will feel morally superior giving our views about those neanderthal sen mississippi but we will also tear apart the democratic party and we need to have that so he cou

senator paul well stone was underway and it turned into a raucous democratic campaign rally for walter mondale? it was embarrassing and exploitative and we know how that one turned out. now the democrats are playing the death card again. wrapping their wildly unpopular health care bill in the sentimental gauze of ted kennedy's memory. decency and good taste aside, this is a huge mistake. any of bill that would take control of a sixth of the american economy should rise or fall on its own merits and should not be used as some mod lynn tribute to some adeceased senator. even as one as iconic and loved as ted kennedy. senator kennedy's personal generosity and graciousness is being fondly remembered today and tomorrow and for months to come. and that is aappropriate. we should not forget senator kennedy's liberal vision for america never became a reality. during his lifetime, he was on the losing side of almost every major issue. from nuclear disarmament, to welfare, reform, for amnesty to illegal aliens. and today the impassioned opposition to obama care at these town hall events is yet another p

. >>> in 1984 they nominated the last new deal democrat to be nominated, that was walter mondale andlost 49 states. in '88 they began moving away with dukakis. in '92 they finally elected a different democrat. >> you know, ed mccormick was right in 1962. his candidacy was a joke except for the fact ahis brother was president of the united states and it was very important and for the first 15, maybe 20 years, i think what he did in the senate was not something that will be his legacy. it is the things he did outside of the senate that people remember. but it was liberating to lose that nomination fight to jimmy carter, get that monkey off his back and the next few years particularly when he married vicki, i think the whole body of ted kennedy's work has to be judged and in judging the whole body i think i agree. >> e.j., ted kennedy put it in context, i don't know how many saw it at arlington national cemetery, cardinal mccarrick read the letter, parts of the letter that ted kennedy wrote to the pope earlier this summer and he talked about how he wasn't a perfect person. but he also s

walter mondale, people talked about him. >> chairman -- >> something that gets to the position and realityd the election. >> jonathan, thanks for the reporting particularly on that one. contessa, what else is going on prfr breaking news from south carolina. the governor is inviting reporters to have a chat with him in about an hour. we're told mark sanford will address ethics investigation into air travel. he's under fire for flying business class when state law requires flying the most economical way. they released travel records from 1984. they show one governor using supersonic jet to use friends. other officials fly first class. house speaker pro tem spoke out on "morning meeting." >> we have record unemployment in south carolina. we have some of the worst unemployment in the country, and it's affecting our ability to talk about that. so therefore, i think he should resign. >> south carolina's lieutenant governor is also calling on sanford to resign, which would allow the lieutenant governor to assume that office. >>> somali pirates holding a hijacked ship fired on a u.s. navy helicopt

deputy assistant for domestic affairs but also as legislative counsel prior to that with senator walter mondale who, of course, vice president in the carter administration. burt carp, after years working in the cable television industry in one important capacity or another is currently vice chairman of the firm of williams & jensen. the second person i'm going to introduce is not here yet but who will be joining us en route from london during this 90-minute program. and that is stewart issenstat also a part of the carter administration, later part the clinton administration. he was domestic policy advisor to president carter for the entirety in his office. and he served in clinton administration as u.s. ambassador to the european union as well as in other capacities. recently, he's been working in the area of holocaust-area issues, restitutions and so on. and has written a very well received book on that subject called "imperfect justice: looted assets, slave labor and the unfinished business of world war ii." the third member of our panel up here who will be participating in the discussion dur

deputy assistant of domestic affairs but also as legislative counsel prior to that with senator walter mondale. after years of working in cable television in one important capacity or another is vice chairman of the firm of billions and jensen. the second person i will introduce is not here yet. he is on route from london during this program. that is stuart. he was also part of the carter administration. he was a domestic policy adviser to president carter for the entirety of his service in office. he also served during the clinton administration as well as in other capacities. he has been working in the area of holocaust issues, restitution and so on. he has written a well-received book on that issue. third member of our panel who will be participating in the discussion during this session is bruce reed. he is currently president -- democratic leadership council. he famously served al gore as chief speech writer when gore was in the senate, became part of the clint-core campaign in 1992. and then for all eight years of clinton presidency serve as domestic policy adviser. he is associated with

you made me remember 1984, walter mondale campaign on the need for a tax increase to help solve the deficit. he carried only his own state. what we're seeing in this poll is substantial public concern about the deficit, so much so that the majorities are even willing to throw health care reform overboard if they think it will add to the deficit. for instance, by 55% to 35% margin, voters say they are more concerned than health care reform -- that health care reform will add to the deficit than that candor -- been that congress will not enact health care reform. by 57%-32% margin, voters said that they would rather have no health care reform than a health care reform that add substantially to the deficit. also, another interesting fact -- if you ask voters if yet -- it they would support the bill if it had only democratic support, a 59% stake know. president obama, who as we all know, as high job approval ratings on a number of issues during his first several months of office, but 52% give him a thumbs down job approval on this issue. that is substantially different from july, the last time

you may remember 1984, when walter -- walter mondale campaign on the need for tax increase to eliminate one state. what we are seeing in this poll is substantial public concern about the deficit, so much so that majorities are willing to throw health care reform overboard if they think it will add to the deficit. voters say they are more concerned that health care will add to the deficit then that congress will not enact health care reform. but a 57-37% margin, voters say they would rather have no health care reform and health care reform that added substantially to the deficit. also, one other interesting fact, when you ask voters if they would want a bill that was just a democratic bill, if it only had democratic support, 59% say no. it indicates the rising public concern about the deficit. president obama, who as we all know had very high job approval ratings during his first several months of office. in this poll, 52% give him a thumbs down a job approval on health care. 39% approve of his performance, substantially different from july, the last time the question was asked on a nati

you may remember 1984 when walter mondale campaign on the need for a tax increase to eliminate the deficiteing in this poll is public concern about the public deficit, so much so that majorities are even willing to throw healthcare reform overboard if they think it will add to the deficit. for instance, by a to 55by 35% margin -- by a 55% to 35% margin, people are concerned it will add to the deficit. by a 57% to 37% margin, voters say they would rather have no health care reform than that which added substantially to the deficit. one other interesting fact, when you ask voters what they want a bill that is just a democratic bill where it would only have democratic support, 59% say no. that tends to indicate the rising concern about the deficit. president obama, who had very high job approval ratings and was handling a multitude of issues, 52% give him a thumbs down job approval on healthcare , 39% approve of his performance. that is different from in july when we asked this question when 46% approved of his performance and 42% disapproved. one other ominous sign for the president on healt

carter as deputy assistant for domestic affairs, but also was legislative counsel for senator walter mondale became vice president in the carter ministration. after years of working in cable television in one important capacity after another, he is currently vice chairman of the firm of williams and jensen. the second person i will introduce is not here yet but who will be joining us on route from london during this 90 minute program. this is stewart eisenstaedt, all part of the carter administration and later part of the clinton administration. he was domestic policy adviser to president carter but the entirety of his service in office. he also served during the clinton administration as u.s. ambassador to the european union, as well as in other capacities. recently he has been working in the area of holocaust issues, restitution and so on. he has written a very west -- a very well-received book on this subject, "imperfect choices." the third member of our panel will be participating in the discussion during the session. bruce reed. he currently is president of the democratic leadership cou

i remember walter mondale interviewed on the morning, pat buchanan, of the 1984 election and they asked him about the polls. they all looked bleak and that was his response. don't worry. i'm going to beat ronald reagan tonight. you people in the media are generating this and ronald reagan, of course, won 49 states. you know what, they don't believe that, by the way. i like robert and if i were in robert's position i would be compelled to say the same thing. they don't believe that in the white house. they know this health care reform plan is in trouble. >> sure. we didn't get those crowds 1,500, 2,000 out to these town hall meet. they came out, we covered them, and you do pick up the confrontation moment. i do think broder has a point. we were talking yesterday -- or someone else said specter had a great moment in that confrontation. and broder says he thinks there's going to be a backlash coming as there was when nix nixon -- all the people attacked nixon, the anti-war demonstrators. nixon would go up in the polls. so we're going to find out these confrontations, who they help and who

an ideology and a force within their parties that would ultimately win out the nomination of walter mondalei would argument you asked about the biography and the theme. i think the theme would be he was an unlikely patriarch and he was, in some ways unlikely father figure. but, when history and tragedy dealt him that hand, he ultimately played it very well. >> gary wills said in his book, it's hard being an american prince, especially if you are an unlikely american prince. he was supposed to be in the background. what are people saying across the world about the passing of ted kennedy? >> we have heard he was an unmistakable partisan, but we fought with a smile. we have seen evidence of that, people across the aisle reaching out. president george w. bush out with a statement saying they were saddened. he worked with him on no child left behind. his father said we don't see eye to eye, but i respected his steadfast public service. he was a figure in the united states senate. a leader who answered the call to duty for 47 years. his death closes a remarkable chapter in history. that's from bu

this administration -- >> walter mondale. >> but he lost. but he lost.ed in because of the president's promise that 95% of the people, he's not going to raise your taxes. he's already proposed some tax hikes on the wealthy. he's going to repeal president bush's tax cuts on the wealthy. congress is trying to put a surtax on the wealthy for health care. they have to find a way to pay for health care reform and not add to the deficit. it's tough. >> has he boxed himself in? >> no, he hasn't boxed himself in because he will do what he has to do. it depends what you get for raising those taxes. if everybody gets great health care that they love, i suspect they would be happy but here's the problem. when you put economists out to make political statements, when they really, you know, they should have backed off that. look, larry summers and timothy geithner are economists at the heart of it and they stated the truth. if you've got huge deficits, there's one of two things you can do to bring the deficit down. the economy just explodes and it's great and everyon