he said walter mondale ran for president among a platform for higher taxes.rise to no one they support more spending and higher taxes in minnesota. we did it the right way for the last eight years with dramatically lower spending and tack cuts. did he do it the right way. >> let me put it very simply. if any governor feels he did it the right way, then the question is why do we have the $5.1 billion deficit? we know this much. in minnesota we elected a new governor. he took office in january. we elected a new legislature, and they took office in january. how in the world can we blame them? whatever we may think of how they perform, the reality is they did not create the problem. that was created prior to their ascendency. but the goal that both vice president mondale and i have in creating this committee and senator durenburger in california enthusiastically joins us in this effort. that's to create a very talented, competent group of people working with the state department of management and budget and trying to come out within the next couple of days, two,

of time in which walter mondale melts down and has to leave the room because he so completely freaked out it was going on within the industry shame. people screaming at one another, expletives used, a very complex rule time. i'm not going to get this story about what the ins and outs of the brutal fight. but there are a number of these that are very crucial to defining how carter is trying to struggle with what it is that he should do as he goes forward and faces the chaos the country has descended into. so part of the story is a story about excitement and to a certain extent a fun story to tell because there's so much funny and also strange things going on. the more serious side is as one of those times in american history when ideas start to infiltrate the white house, which i think is a rarity in many ways. the 1970s are a ton of big ideas. we know the decade by the terms of the decade. when not to turn the culture of narcissism pioneered by christopher lasch and patrick is reading all of his books and reporting upon them to the president. and actually getting the president to redu

people who didn't know he did you have a cigarette it's not him there was a thing that killed walter mondale with you know you yeah ok moving on from right wing fanaticism in washington d.c. to right wing fanaticism in ohio governor john kasich is getting killed in the polls he's got forty percent of rule ratings right now look at the last four bills he's passed senate bill five ends collective bargaining for public workers now you've got people saying he you know they gathered over a million one point three million from stations more than ever before in the state of ohio he's passed a fracking was it opens up all of ohio's public lands to fracking to making your water flammable seventy percent of the public opposes this you're going to have guns in bars eighty percent of public opposes that and his new budget eliminates the estate tax the personal tax that cuts income taxes for the rich and also because education and health care funding and sort of cost fifty one thousand ohioans their jobs how does this guy plan to keep this well it turns out his plan is to restrict people from voting new

by the way, i'm very proud to have managed walter mondale, although it was one of the largest losseserican politics. >> very interesting. >> the republican bill, boehner bill, is on the floor of the house. he's made a significant change. he put for the yahoo! tea party he put for the yahoo! tea party peoplecv7 it will go down in the senate. there's two other proposals, harry reid proposal and the mcconnell proposal. we had to ask for two times to go to vote. obama wanted to get it through 2012. so did reid. i think they've cave on that, accept the balanced budget amendment. >> and blame it on the tea party. >> i can blame this all on the tea party. >> bob, i actually agree with you -- >> they'll send it back to the house and the tea party won't matter anymore. >> that's right. >> they deserve credit for bringing -- even bringing this conversation to us. i mean, we wouldn't be -- i have to agree with bob. i have to agree with bob. you cannot burn down the house, because you have no where else to sleep, tea party. >> really? they burned the house down already. we're trying to put the f

>> i managed walter mondale to a 49-state loss, the largest in american history, and now i'm on tv as a political expert. it's a great country. i don't give advice. >> that was great for america. what you did was great for america. >> unless it's suggest don't know, you don't speak about it unless you have positive something to say. >> you certainly don't do it from the east room of the white house. >> why does it matter? >> for example, i remember when president bush did the first oval address on immigration at 9:00 p.m. for the american people. it just matters in that it ratchets up. >> uh-huh. >> that's where they have the christmas parties, too, in the east room. i know, because i passed out under the christmas tree in the carter administration. >> i need to hear more of that. >> guys, we're going to move on. we just got started, which is very heated, very fun, but we have to take a quick break and be right back. don't forget, we want to hear from you. email us at thefive@fox.com.  [ male announcer ] everywhere your pet goes the frontline plus killing force is there annihilati

today a bipartisan panel of minnesota luminaries, including walter mondale stepped in and former republicanstepped in too to try to broker some kind of deal, some kind of end to this standoff. democratic governor mark dayton met briefly with lawmakers this afternoon. what's happening in minnesota is not only being described as a fight over the budget, the republican legislature wants big spending cuts to close the deficit and the governor wants a mix of spending cuts and taxes on people making over $1 million a year. consider also that minnesota's republicans also threw into their list of demands things like banning abortion at 20 weeks and getting rid of union rights and making it harder to vote. what does that have to do with a budget shutdown? not a lot, but if a budget is seen as something to be hoped for and steered at, why not just throw in every demand plus the kitchen sink? frankly, you're not hoping to avoid a shutdown, you are hoping for a shutdown, preferably a long one, so you can brag about it later. minnesota gripped by one of the longest strikes in history, why? result, pawle

you have even walter mondale going in there and sort of trying to broker an agreement.ost like mom and dad are coming to the table to make sure the kids stop fighting. to that degree, look, five days is one thing, 15 days is another. this budget shutdown is sharper than the one in 2005 that hit the state. i think there's a real sense it can only last for so long. >> thank you, alex -- "huffington post" alex wagner for joining me. >> thank you. >>> let's talk to someone in the center. minnesota republican house majority leader matt dean. good evening, mr. dean. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> good to be with you. >> governor dayton wants to increase taxes on people who make $1 million or more. that is a group that totals 7,700 people in his state of 5.3 million. that's 0.03% of the population. is it worst cutting programs for the vast majority of people in your state to the benefit of less than 8,000 people? >> reverend, actually our budget increase is about 6%, so unlike 29 other states, minnesota is fortunate in that we have a 6% increase. we have to fund or our p

walter mondale. how many states did he lose?08 the president said -- >> sean: i didn't ask you that. how many states -- >> people who make more than $250,000 -- >> sean: i don't want your liberal. >> the president ran on raising taxes for people who make over $250,000 a year. and he won 390 electoral votes. >> sean: small business own there's create 70% of the jobs in the country. governor -- [ talking over each other ] >> he lost a few months ago. people need to remember that. the american people sent a very different message to washington, d.c. in november. >> sean: governor, 39% now is the president's an previously rating. -- president's approval rating. a generic ballot shows he would lose by eight points to an unnamed republican. he got us into this by creating the largest deficits and debt in history. >> would you repeat discretionary increased 20% over the last two years this president anna nancy pelosi and the democratic leadership and hard left wing of the democratic party helped bring us to this point. i know republica

when accepting his party's nomination for president in san francisco in 1984, walter mondale promised americans that he was going to raise their taxes. president reagan went on to win in a 49-state landslide. president obama does not want to suffer the same fate as walter mondale, so he avoids discussion of the tax increases on the middle class that he really believes in. instead, in this debate, he is focused on a number of politically opportunistic red herrings that will have minimal impact on the nation's debt crisis. the purpose of these red herrings is to distract americans from the real driver of our deficits and debt and the real choices that democrats have to but are refusing to make. let's just look at a few of these examples. the president has been talking incessantly about the need to tax corporate jets. well, if we were to raise the depreciable life on corporate jets from five years to seven years as the democrats propose, it would yield -- at least according to the economists, it would yield $3.1 billion -- that's with a b -- over ten years. just to be clear as we were di

terms of candidates, in my first presidential election that i could vote for was '84, i voted for walter mondalehe didn't win. i've never voted at any level for a candidate for elective office who has won and i think he was the only major party vote i've ever cast. i often will vote for an independent candidate, or a libertarian party candidate, simply because i like the idea of supporting third party candidates, and with the l.p., while i'm not a member, they typically come closer to expressing my political attitudes. >> fill in the blanks. you grew up in brooklyn. >> no, actually i grew up in new jersey, i was born in brooklyn. >> excuse me. i remember you saying that. >> i was delivered to new jersey. >> your father did what? >> my father was an office manager of a shipping company called sea land. >> what about your mother? >> my mother worked as a bookkeeper, and then she had three kids, took some time off then went back to work in the early '70s. >> where are the other two kids? >> i have an older brother and older sister. my brother lives in lawrenceville, new jersey, and my sister lives

an independent panel created by walter mondale is now calling for spending cuts and tax increases to, eric baits, thank you very much. what do you have coming up in the next "rolling stone"? >> now, we have a piece you have already talked about by al goran climate change as well as a piece that didn't get quite as much attention on amanda knox. >> oh, an update on that. >> thanks for coming in this morning. up next, george pataki and ewe neen robinson. more on "morning joe." [ bird chirping ] ♪ [ doug ] i got to figure this out. ♪ [ dr. ling ] i want to spend more time with my patients. [ jim ] i need to build a new app for the sales team in beijing. [ mrs. davis ] i need to make science as exciting as a video game. ♪ [ jim ] i need to push out a software upgrade. [ dr. ling ] review ms. cooper's history. [ doug ] i need to cut i.t. costs. [ mrs. davis ] i need to find a way to break through. [ jim ] i need to see my family while they're still awake. [ dr. ling ] see if the blood work is ready. [ doug ] i need to think about something else when i run. ♪ [ male announcer ] every day,

. >> walter mondale, the former vp candidate, is basically saying it was tim pawlenty's legacy that shutard a solution and he is blaming tim pawlenty. do you think that will affect his political chances? >> well, it might. i know a lot of national commentators have them looking at minnesota's budget and this last week, we lost a peg on our credit rating with the wall street bond houses because we have been using too many fixes and patches on our budget and what tim pawlenty advised them to do the last several years without raising taxes. >> it's now more expensive for your state to borrow money and you're in quite a pickle here. lori, thanks for joining us to discuss this. we will keep tabs and we have been following the crisis in minnesota having a tough time now. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you. >>> the layoffs have started in connecticut. pink slips to public employees and two weeks after union members rejected agreement on concessions. the governor said he would need to fire 6,500 workers to deal with the budget deficit. >>> the cost of college in california is going way up