walter mondale, the primary has ended. the superdelegates sided with him. he said i'm the nominee.art his challenger said not so fast. does that sound at all familiar? well, after tonight the question for democrats is, will we see a coming together? will bernie sanders throw his support behind hillary clinton? will barack obama come off the sidelines and formally do the same or will bernie sanders fight this all the way to the convention? joining us now, we're going to have a man who has seen plenty of races like this before. maybe never one exactly like this before, but dan rather is the host of access tv's" the big interview." and dan's special" legends lost" premieres tonight on access tv. an in-depth look at music legends and the puivotal moment from their career. >> thanks for having me, steve. >> we put 1984 up there. that's the last time i think wooefr h we've had somebody in the exact situation bernie sanders is in. a little in 2008 as well. when you look at this race, can you see a parallel? is there something you've seen before that, yeah, i've seen a bernie sanders-like

although he initially had reservations about walter mondale, thought he was too liberal, was bothered by the fact that mondale had pulled out early from the presidential race -- when they met in early july about eight days before the democratic convention, they hit it off. carter became very impressed with mondale and he thought mondale had the experience and the resources that carter needed. he knew his way around the district of columbia, use popular in congress, he was popular with liberals. and governor carter took an inclusive approach to mondale and his campaign team, even during the campaign. in the 1976 presidential campaign, president ford and governor carter agreed to debate and they invented for the first time the institution of a vice presidential debate, which we have had in every presidential election since except for 1980. in the vice presidential debate, mondale was deemed to have done much better than senator bob dole. afterwards, carter's campaign manager says mondale added about 3% to carter's ticket and carter in his speeches in the closing few weeks of the campaig

the democrats were the party of protectionism, think back to walter mondale.eason the democratic party turned to bill clinton, they were looking for a free trading, pro-business democrat because they thought they could not win. we are in a new time of how americans view trade deals. what is going on with the way americans feel about the way the economy and way globalization works for them or have -- has not worked for them. even more stunning to me to see the republican nominee be so anti-free-trade and to have groups like the u.s. chamber of commerce, national association manufacturers, republican leaning organizations having to trash their pelican nominee. >> what struck you about trump speech? i was struck by how he lifted the brexit leads -- leaves campaign. what else struck you? : this is one issue he has never wavered on. he has more credibility rhetorically on this issue. he owns this in a way he does not own other issues because if you go back first time this ande jumped into politics to criticize and administration was in the 1980's and it was over ja

feminist -- (laughter) no, golda maher is my icon. 31 years ago when geraldine ferrara was named by walter mondale emotional and thought about my mother, wife, daughter. it was such a surprise. it was such a pioneer. this has been -- >> woodruff: this was less. and hillary clinton has been a formidable, significant political figure and actor for 25 years, but there was genuine emotion in the hall. you could feel it if you watched it, when she accepted that nomination, and she obviously reciprocated it. it's not just a powerful campaign, it was a political campaign and an effective one. >> woodruff: let's bring it down to politics. quite a good week for the democrats whether history or not, david. you had hillary clinton finished, she won california by a pretty big margin, got the president's endorsement, she got the endorsement of the vice president, bender, bernie s is not getting out of the race but is signaling he's going to support her. democrats seemed to have pulled it together this week. what did you make of that? >> california was a big one. if she had lost that, we would have a whole diff

around this time, basically same month, gary hart was running against walter mondale the former vice president. mondale had the most pledged delegates from the primary process, but he did not have an absolute majority of all the delegates, just from that. so gary hart said the day after the 1984 primaries he said, welcome to overtime. he said i'm going to spend the weeks leading up to the convention trying to get those superdelegates to change their mind. do you know how many he flipped in those weeks? zero. he had polls that showed him performing better against ronald reagan, the incumbent president, than mondale. didn't matter to the superdelegates. gary hart, he tried to go to the conveengs, tried to peel them off. he couldn't do it. we saw it 2008. this sam point in 2008 heading into the final primaries of that process, hillary clinton could not catch barack obama when it came to pledged bell gatts. but, barack obama was going to need superdelegates to hit the magic number. and hillary clinton was saying those superdelegates should vote for me instead for two reasons, one she sai

besides frank church and john tower, phil hart of michigan, walter mondale, ultimately vice president of the united states. walter huddleston of kentucky. robert morgan of north carolina, and gary hart, presidential aspirant himself of colorado. and on the republican side howard baker who went on to be the majority leader. barry goldwater, presidential candidate. charles mathias of maryland, and dick schweiker whom you worked for of pennsylvania. so how did these 11 big figures get chosen by their respective leaders? what was the thinking in constituting these particular individuals? what would they expect the outcome to be with these people on the panel? >> well, i wasn't privy to those discussions. but my sense is that they chose people who had stature within the institution and within the nation. so that this would be considered a product of the senate and have the associated stature of the members. for me, it was really extraordinary in the sense that it represented a very broad spectrum of views from the most conservative to the most liberal in the senate at the time. and i think

in particular senator walter mondale is very involved in this particular piece of the investigation because he was at this point leading in an informal way the investigation of the fbi in particular. and many people responded or remarked that while the cia activity was appalling or deplorable, the programs that the fbi had created and the ways in which it had violated civil liberties of american citizens was perhaps the worst example of the abuse of the intelligence community. and so this particular hearing and this exchange between the members and two informants is really, really powerful. very emotional. >> the beginning of this hearing, the fbi portion of the hearings, senator church says that this is the first time the senate has really taken a close look at the fbi. bring us up to the present. how has that changed since then? >> well, senator church and the other senators make a point several times in the hearings throughout the public hearings to say this is the first time that we've done a comprehensive investigation of what the broader intelligence community is doing. i mean, one of

walter mondale was the presumptive nominee based on our polling of superdelegates. this is the way it works. this is the reporting. you do understand that, yes, jeff? >> this is the way you do it, john. it doesn't mean it is the way it is. it's the way cnn and other media chooses to do it -- >> have done it. >> other states are voting today. let those people vote and decide before the media tells them that the race is over. what's the point of suppressing voter turnout in six states across the country to have a quick news hit that could easily have been done tonight? >> we're just telling people what we're hearing. we're just telling people what we're hearing from the polls. we report a lot on polls. we report a lot on what voters tell us and officials tell us. you could say we're withholding information from the public if we didn't tell them but we understand your point. we want to move on to other questions. >> we do. >> sure, of course, please. >> you've probably become well aware that barack obama is likely to endorse hillary clinton as early as this week is the

walter mondale was the nominee. again, the list goes on. the992, i was chairing platform committee and my friend jerry brown was running against bill clinton and took his fight to the convention. it goes on. it was hard for some people. in 2008, they came to me and said, do i really have to vote for barack obama? i was so committed to hillary clinton. i said, that is a decision you have to make. it is always hard. people are always hopeful. every candidate thinks he or she is going to win. they run. what is the purpose going forward? i think that bernie sanders has done a great job for our country, for our democracy, for the democratic party, and for young people. what is the next step? that is up to him. >> [indiscernible] we can talk politics all day and i have been all morning. then we will come to immigration. campaign isnders' still pretty adamant that he's going to take this to the convention. are you comfortable with that idea? rep. pelosi: he has to make his own decisions. i just described several conventions i was involved in with

walter mondale was the nominee. ofin, the list goes on terms 92. turn the platform committee -- caring the platform committee -- iring the platform committee. it is hard for some people, in 2008 they came to me and said that really have to vote for barack obama? i'm so committed to hillary clinton. that is decision you have to make. it is hard. people are always hoping. every candidate thinks he or she is going to win. that is what they run. or to get their message out. the question is, what is the purpose going forward? i think bernie sanders has done a great job for our country and our democracy. and for young people. what is the next step? that is up to him. we can talk politics all day and i have been all morning. the new contamination. -- then immigration. >> adamant that he will take this to the convention, are you comfortable with that idea? >> he has to make his own decisions. i described here several conventions i was involved in where the candidates took it to the convention. weather was ted kennedy, jerry brown, more than one occasion. n

irrespective of what happens in november, it is unlikely that donald trump will lose by as much as walter mondales lost in 1988. democrats in the lifetime of everyone at this table lost three presidential races in a row. if we lose our third in donald trump, there will be a mess. but out of that mess, we can regroup as a party. we can say our opposition has been here before. they regrouped, they figured out a formula for winning and they won the next time around and the republican party has an opportunity to defeat to do the same thing. >> but do you want him to lose? >> i want the republican party to pull together a coalition -- i want my party to learn a lesson, that's what i want. >> i'm going to e-mail you later and get you to answer that question. >> on father's day, no less. >> that's cold. >> up next, the mass shooting in orlando has reignited the debate over islamophobia. stay with us. you can go ahead and stick with that complicated credit card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or... you can get the quicksilver card from capital one. quickson ev-e-ry purchase,mited ev-e-ry-wher

had a woman to a position like this was sarah palin and before that, geraldine ferraro, with walter mondale. it's an incredible and historic moment. no matter your splits, you look at the achievements of all that women have accomplished in this country. yeah. it's a great occasion. >> and she put it in context, too. i and twin falls. the margin of error is 1.4%. she has a little lead. >>> changing topics but i love this. what song gets you on the dance floor at a wedding? these are weighty questions, to be sure. the website 538, created the ultimate wedding play list, based on a reading survey. most popular songs. number three, "up town funk." >> definitely. >> number two, "whitney houston," i want to dance with somebody. >> that's number two? >> and number one, what do you think? >> well, it's right there. >> let's see. >> still a classic. >> "hey ya." >> no "electric slide"? >> no. >> thank goodness, "macarena." that was the '80s. >> when the producers put out the question to us, what's the favorite song, natalie answered back, anything. i'm the first one on the floor, last one off. >> la

gary hart took walter mondale all the way to california, won california but lost the delegate race, andf him. in the democratic party, i've never seen anything quite like this, nor have i seen anything remotely close to what's going on in the republican race. [laughter] stuart: brit hume, thanks very much for joining us, sir. appreciate it. >> last hour we brought you the news of the arrest of bill clinton's brother, roger. now we have his arrest photo. >> yeah. he was arrested for drunk driving in redondo beach last night, 8 p.m. loaj r local time, and was arrested. no one bailed him out. bail set at $15,000, so he is appearing in court today and that, indeed, is the mug shot. he's bill clinton's younger half-brother. stuart: got it. check this out. this is a rally. ladies and gentlemen, i bring you a monday morning rally and then some. now we're up 114 points for the dow jones industrial average. i'm trying to do the math real fast, looks to me like we're about 77 points away from dow 18k. get that graphic ready -- >> look at that. >> cue the balloons. stuart: all right. check hertz.

this margin right here is the same margin right can same margin right can have for your over walter mondales is a very close for a five-point election that maximum msn today it's an outlier. a strong behind? but she's been running a campaign that caught resources for the last month very solid again 10. this will change as we have a convention in florida in the fall. i would be shot. >> how important is it that they would like to nominees get on board. but romney, paul ryan. we just ignore them and move on? >> i think we have to ignore them. at the end of the day they've shown their colors that they are not a party people at this point in time. maria: that he is the house beaker. have you ignore him? >> you ignore him. he's got a big task big task for repeated that it pushes bar code had without trial. donald trump will drive the ticket. you can't spend all your time chasing their tail. >> what is his path to the tree? >> the same pass george w. bush had. you've got to win the key states. you don't win ohio come you don't win florida. but he has potential as a site pennsylvania which has not

before that, geraldine ferraro with walter mondale. >> 96 years since woman fought for the right to votematter your politics. i think you look at the achievements of all that women have accomplished in this country. yeah. i think it is a great occasion. >> she put it in context that way, too. she turned to donald trump relatively quickly. by the way, i'm told the margin of error, 1.4%. >>> changing topics here, but i love this. so what song gets you on dance floor at a wedding? well, these are weighty questions, to be sure. the website, 538, created the ultimate wedding play list based on a reader's survey. most popular song -- number three, "uptown funk." >> definitely. >> number two -- whitney houston, "i want to dance with somebody." number two. okay? and number one -- what do you think? >> it's right there. ♪ >> still a classic. >> "macarena"? no. let's not go there. that was the '80s. natalie answers back, anything. i'm the first one out. >> last one off. but i like songs that make me laugh and make me smile. this is just one of them. ♪ i like big butts and i cannot lie ♪ >> oh! is

neither conceded to walter mondale. clearly they were not as active candidates.e trying to do things at the convention that required them to stay in as candidates. senator sanders has run a great campaign. he has spoken to millions of democratic voters in this country. it is going to be his decision what he does next. but he has said consistently that his number one goal is to make sure donald trump does not become president. >> yet yesterday i still heard comments slamming hillary clinton for the clinton foundation and for the perceived -- he didn't even say perceived, but the conflict of interest with having the foundation and having millions of dollars plowed into it. i mean, it -- to hear him still making comments like that as recently as last night, does it give you any pause or concern? >> you know, he is still trying to win some primaries here. it has been a contested race. as primaries always are. but listen, primaries are an argument about a direction of a political party. a general election is the argument about the direction of a nation. secretary clin

i think the fact you want -- watching walter mondale as a vice president and having him as a mentor,ant someone that a president trusts. you want someone that people of this country trusts, especially when you have donald trump on the other side. and you want someone that optim about the futurest country. >> can i ask you if you mailed any of your recent tax returns to john podesta recently. >> no, i have not. but thank you for asking once again, rachael. i really think this is hillary's night. i just thought it was an incredible speech. my daughter was there. you think of all those kids like her 20 years old exciting to see this new beginning and something that i never got to see growing up. these kids are seeing it and seeing history in the making. >> amy, thank you very much. thanks for your good humor as i continually tease you on the same point again and again and again. >> thank you. >> and who better to note the history of this moment than author and presidential historian michael beshloff. michael, what is it we're witnessing here? >> we're witnessing the breaking of another