ronald reagan meets walter mondale.dy is calling it a major opportunity for mondale. >> he doesn't need just to win by a nose. he needs to win to stay with it by four or five lengths. he needs to do well because he starts from so far back. >> the question of ronald reagan's age had always been in the back of minds of a lot of people. he was by this time the oldest american president, and he was well into his 70s. >> i -- as i say, i feel that we have a problem here to resolve. >> reagan in the first debate against walter mondale looks confused. speaks too long. gets lost. it's not just that walter mondale won that debate. it's that people fear, is ronald reagan lost? and for the first time they start talking about the age issue. >> it showed without cue cards and teleprompters the great communicator doesn't always communicate all that well. >> we had six dress rehearsals last time. plus loading him with computer statistics. the man was absolutely smothered by extraneous material. and this time we're going to let ronald

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test, the size of the crowds he gets at his rallies, but i would remind you in the closing days, walter mondale was drawing large and enthusiastic rallies, as he went on to narrowly win one state. when george mcgovern was in the final stages, the crowds weren believably large and enthusiastic. in 1996, bob dole was actually drawing good crowds as he came down the closing stretch, but none of that mattered at the end of the day. there's a difference between who shows up at a rally and who turns out to vote. right today i wouldn't be betting that all of those polls -- i wouldn't bet the fox news poll is wrong that says he's ten points down. you. >> may they show up because they want to see the celebrity, but may not want him as a president? >> yeah. in 1896, 75,000 people showed up in the boston common to see william jennings bryan, and he got 25% of the vote in massachusetts that year. >> and only karl rove would know that fact. >> or anyone who read "the triumph of mckinley" would know that. >>> a serial killer on the loose, and police fear he or she may strike again. >>> plus next, jenkins has

bill clinton i think in 1984 the first presidential election i covered on the democratic side, walter mondale heir to new deal politics. that labor-based tradition inside the democratic party. to 1982 -- 1992, i think bill clinton moved the democratic party to the center, made it competitive and i think those by and large a consensus of the 2012. more business oriented centrist party that had been in the 1970's. i think this election marks a shift. most people feel bernie sanders ran a successful campaign for not winning but in terms of where he started in with the expectations were. he has pulled the democratic party to the left. host: that is a permanent shift? guest: we don't know. let's see how the election plays out. if it is hillary clinton, see how she governs. consensus in the democratic party around bill clinton's ideas and his approach that began in the 1990's i think is fracturing a bit on the democratic side. side, we havecan had in in surge -- an insurgent outsider, donald trump win the republican election. .emarkable donald trump is a free trade candidate it appears to me. this

against walter mondale. with donald trump in place, new people can do the same. >> this is late in the game. ronald reagan was the governor of a major states, he cared about ideas, studied up on conservative i decades for decades, polls don't change overnight. we are in august. he had two campaign shuffled in three months. of trump were serious about carrying his message into a broader elector and, he would not just be giving rallies. he would be going to charter schools in louisiana, in black churches in harlem. there is no evidence he is willing to do that. earlier this week after the campaign reshuffle he gave up the popeye explanation, i am who i am. we don't need more donald trump. the problem was not authenticity, and he is not making a sustained case. >> he is there in louisiana at baptist church in greenwell springs, louisiana, the baptist church there. a thought on him being there when president obama decided to continue his vacation in martha's vineyard. >> drawing a contrast with the president and

>> i remind people, the day before walter mondale lost 49 states he had 149,000 people in new york in crowd. tom: that's an upset. >> the problem with trump is he has an enthusiastic crowd and talks to the crowd. instead of the crowd being the vehicle to talk beyond the crowd. tom: i'm wondering if some of these venues he comes to. he's a show. circus is in town. people will come out to see the celebrity. >> i don't even know. do they even make any contact with people in these crowds? do they sign them up? >> i believe they are now. i understand they are signing them up now and they are sending them to texas. >> so there is a data base somewhere. >> it's never like obama. but they are catching up and they have a couple months to get it all. tom: roll the video. one daredevil pushing it to the limit. watch as this offroad racer shatters the world record for the longest truck jump when he launches his truck 279 feet over a las vegas ghost town. i don't know why you people do that. but i'm glad they do because it's fun to watch. the obama white house admitted 10,000 syrian refugees. what

walter mondale pointed to the size of his crowd in boston and claiming there's a smell of victory in the air, and we went on to lose 49 of 50 states. four years ago, the mitt romney campaign drew confidence from huge crowds in pennsylvania, only to learn they ultimately didn't mean much. this year, bernie sanders' supporters pointed to his massive rally in brooklyn, to argue sanders was stronger than the polls showed. no, he lost by 16 points. joining me now, senior political analyst and writer for 538. thank you both for being here. i have to start by asking you, my pollster friend here, what do you make of this idea of trying the rhetorical pivot, which we're told is engineered by kellyanne conway that he's to say soft words, like i've said wrong words, does that work? >> it can't hurt. he's polling at 2% amongst african americans, so it can't hurt. night, let's see a clip of it right now. >> you say it's not a shake-up, but you guys are down. and it makes sense -- >> says who? says who? >> polls. most of them, all of them. >> says who? >> polls. i just told you, i answered your qu

frequently won overwhelming victims at the same time that george mcgovern was cratering in 1972 and walter mondale1984 throughout the south. they ran well, well ahead the top of the ticket because they ran their own independent campaigns. that's what republican incumbents are doing this year. >> how are they doing that running an independent campaign? how do you make a campaign like the senate which is usually -- you don't hear as much about when it's a presidential year because the presidential race gets all the attention from the free media. how do you lift the campaign up so the republican voters who might be skeptical about the top of the ticket say you know what, i got to vote for that senate candidate? >> three words. localize, localize, localize. the senators need to make a compelling case that their service in the senate has made life better for the constituents in their states. if you look at what the candidates are doing with marco rubio on the zika virus, rob portman about the opiate epidemic, they are talking about local issues and how their service has made life better for people in t

it's not clear that barry goldwater, george mcguven or walter mondale squandered political circumstanceste so favorable. looking back on previous historic presidential defeats, a confluence of factors made the losing candidate's task. if trump loses, the explanation for 2016 will be much simpler. even with the wind at his back and a deeply flawed opponent, he simply wasn't up to the task of winning over a majority of the american electorate. for once, in other words, it will be the candidate's fault. joe? >> josh green you look at, again, your profile of the man donald trump picked to run his campaign and, again, listen to what eddie brought up. it seems to me that donald trump even with some of the changes he's making, not working aggressively enough to expand that base. >> no. and i would agree the appointment is probably a step in the opposite direction. i think what bannon is going to try and do is focus trump on attacking hillary clinton. staying on that message and trying to bring in republican voters who have strayed from the fold. i don't know how many viewers know this, but bann

we're talking about donald trump's numbers, historically low since may and i heard walter mondale invoked this week. that historic loss where he lost 49 states to reagan. has a nominee ever come back from numbers like these? even though he's fallen off is within seven or eight points. it's very much akin i think to the 2008 race between barack obama and john mccain. so there's a chance, but here's what i think it fundamentally depends on, the debates that come up in september and october, and i know there's been a question about whether or not he'll participate. donald trump needs these debates much more than hillary clinton does. he can still come back. it's not a huge amount, but it is a significant amount. >> there's still plenty of race left, and as you said, he could come back. those debates are going matt dowd, love your analysis. some may have mixed feelings about the similes. >> and, paula, it's samba, not salsa. >> i'm sorry. all i want, i just want a prom photo tomorrow, okay. with your sister. >> perfect. perfect. i'll take you to the dance. >> oh, thank you. appreciate that. >

expecting a loss for trump on par with barry goldwater or george mcgovern or maybe even, you know, walter mondaleay, he's going to get demolished. we're about to learn really well about whether this is a unique campaign, you need campaign offices or not. i myself would have them than not have them. but earlier during the primary, trump was asked about how much he wanted to emulate obama's data-driven get out the vote efforts from 2012 and he kind of shrugged it off and scoffed and said look, i don't think it was that big a deal. look, you can argue about how effective this stuff was. maybe it only helps a percentage point or two. but we saw in florida in 2000, that percentage point could really matter a lot. look, if it ends up being a very similar electoral college map to 2012 and 2008 and for that matter 2004, year 2000, it actually had a very stable electorate college map for the last four elections. maybe these campaign offices don't matter that much, you know, if that's the case i guess campaigns could save a lot on rent in the coming cycles. >> jim geraghty, gloria borger, angela rye, thank

there's a great quote from the 1984 debate with walter mondale where reagan says, i support amnesty. people may have come here illegally but who work hard, lived in this country. he was a southern californian. he thought thought the idea of a border fence was appalling. as a migrant labor force that moves back and forth across the border and picks the fruit and vegetables. if they don't, the fruit and vegetables rot. he thought. he thought it was a necessity and a reality. he lived in a multicultural world filled with mexican immigrants. he liked the idea of immigration. even -- so he is a view of immigration that would be barely tolerable of the democratic party but not the republican party. he supported handgun control. after he got shot's probably not a great ideas to buy $20 handguns and pawnshops without background checks. because of what happened. you can have that position today and the republican party. the the last one was abortion. reagan changed his view on this but he signed as governor of california something called the therapeutic abortion bill which probably did more a

uncle dukakis, walter mondale, i see trump as a morallyigure who's outrageous and outside the official. most of the people who support him, they don't see that. clinton has pluses and minuses. trump has pluses and minuses. they are in the same ballpark. this unique figure -- that is not the person they see. some republican members of congress think that way. the's so funny in republican convention, you would be in the hallway and run into a senator and they would shuffle over with their embarrassed look and they are doing the trump support thing. they always have a defensive preemptive comment. i think it will work out ok. the some taxes, please like me. -- the subtext is, please like me. they have all of these defense mechanisms. i think over the last two weeks, donald trump has hallowed out the ground from which they walk. the paul ryans who say i have discussed for trump but i still like trump the person. deposition is being destroyed by trump himself. his actions are so outrageous, and some point you have to say no, it is the guy. charlie: are you saying this is a moral choice? dav

michael dukakis, walter mondale , they all across the threshold. i see trump as a unique figure who's morally outrageous and outside the threshold. most of the people who support him, they don't see that. they see clinton has pluses and , minuses. trump has pluses and minuses. they are in the same ballpark. charlie: they are all politicians. david: yeah. what i see is a unique figure uniquely unqualified to be president. that is not what they see. frankly, some republican members of congress think that way. what's so funny in the republican convention, you would be in the hallway and run into a senator and they would shuffle over with their embarrassed look and their bodies doing contortions, because they are doing the trump support thing. they always have a defensive preemptive comment. "i think it will work out ok." the subtext is, "please like me." [laughter] they have all of these defense mechanisms. i think over the last two weeks, donald trump has hollowed out the ground from which they walk. the paul ryans who say i have disgust for trump bu

walter mondale was the senior senator, and he was treated like someone who was just starting.s given no respect and he found his own way and within a short time, he was working on bills again. and he passed a couple different major legislation bills during that time. he got back into it. >> let's take a call from livonia, michigan. hi, amy. what's your question? >> caller: my question is, since senator humphrey served during the mccarthy era, what was his relationship with joe mccarthy? did mccarthy go after him because he was so liberal? >> that's a really complicated question because humphrey tried to pass something called the communist control act where he tried to make it illegal to be communist. that was done in some part because he was trying to make joe mccarthy -- to bring the truth out and force joe mccarthy's hand so he would have to prove somebody was a communist and it would be illegal and couldn't be quite so passe about it or blase about how he attacked people. he would have to actually incriminate them. that was a bad plan, it didn't work, but he didn't like joe

he proposed more than walter mondale and michael dukakis combined. he should be proud of it. part of his record. let me talk about tax relief. if you pay taxes, you ought to get tax relief. get tax right people to really, i don't think that is the role of the president. i think if you have tactfully, everybody ought to get it. therefore wealthy people look at it. but the top 1% will end up playing one third of the taxes in america and they get 1/5 of the benefits. that is because we structure the plan so that 6 million additional american families pay no taxes. if you're a family of four making $50,000 in missouri you get a 50% cut. what i've done is set priority and this extra money and i believe the people who pay the bills ought to get the money back. he want to grow the government and i trust you with your own money. >> what you say specifically to what the vice president said, that your tax cut benefits the top 1% of the wealthiest and i can -- americans? gov. bush: of course it does, if you pay taxes you will get a benefit. plan, the wealthy people pay 62% effective. af

pressed about his age and he said he would not exploit the youth and inexperience experience of walter mondale. it was roger ailes that was credited with coming up with that line, one of the most is it going to be to stand in that room with hillary clinton and throw at her all the possibilities that could come her way from donald trump and really does it come down to how she reacts that could make or break her in that first debate? >> god, would you want that job? can you imagine? your job is explicitly to get under hillary clinton's skin. the campaign won't say, my guess is that it would be bob barnett who has played -- he played bernie sanders during the primary debate prep and he's worked with hillary clinton for a long time and he's done this stuff for many, many, many years. but that is one tough job, david, because you have to throw out all of the stuff the campaign expects, fully expects that trump will throw everything at her including all of the stuff about her personal life, bill clinton's affairs. it won't be an easy job. >> all right, jon karl. >> huge numbers for that. they're tal

electoral college, when you think back, i guess the most recent one would have been 32 years ago, walter mondalehe wonl won two states, maybe minnesota and the district of columbia. i think that's the kind of thing that some people are either hoping for on the democratic side, think could possibly happen if things continue to slide in that direction. you don't think so. >> right. it's unlikely. i mean, you never say never in politics. and we have 72 days to go and certainly this campaign has taught us that normal rules don't apply. but just looking at the map, the electoral map favors hillary clinton at this point. but looking at the map, democrats have a certain number of states that they pretty much have locked up. and the republicans have fewer states locked up but they still have a lot of states that they most inevitably will win. so even if hillary clinton manages to win all the swing states, there still are a lot of states very red that donald trump most certainly will win. >> is there a historical precedent, a lot of people talk about what happens once the candidates hit their stride comi

he was up against gary hart and former vice president walter mondale. and senator mcgovern got kudos for being a thoughtful presence. he tried to heal some of the that were madeds during the mondale scuffle. he has maintained a very active life, going back to the issue of world hunger. he worked with the clinton administration to help start the world food program, which helped to feed many people. hunger and nutrition remains his passion today, as well he did reminding people of liberal values. ms. brawner: we will hear from mitch in florida. caller: thank you. i think that you guys have done your studies. and the previous caller that once to remind everybody to the lossgeorge after of the election, i do not think that george lost. he moved on to do much better things like you folks were just , talking about with the world hunger program. george has survived wars, being an antiwar person yet willing to step up for our country. i think he is a great peacekeeper, and he understands world politics like we do not understand. my question is, for our country,

we propose more than walter mondale and michael dukakis combined. this is a big spender. and ought to be proud of it. it is part of his record. we just have a different philosophy. let me talk about tax relief. if you pay taxes, you ought to get tax relief. the vice president believes only the right people ought to get tax relief. i don't think that's the role of the president to pick, you're right, and you're not right. i think if you're going to have tax relief, everybody ought to get it. and therefore wealthy people are going to get it. but the top 1% will end up paying one third of the taxes in america and get one fifth of the benefits, that's because we structured the plan so that 6 million additional american families pay no taxes. if you're a family of four making $50,000 in missouri, you get a 50% cut in your federal income taxes. what i've done is set priorities and funded them and there is extra money and i believe the people who pay the bills ought to get some money back. it is a difference of opinion. he wants to rule the government. i trust you with your own

so far, walter fritz mondale has won only the district of columbia.ates are the states we have projected ronald reagan the winner in tonight. here's the electoral college vote as we have it right now. 405 votes for ronald reagan. he has exceed the electoral college total that his pollster said he would get. 400. fritz mondale with only three. so that makes it an electoral college landslide alone, and here's what's going on with the national vote. 27% of the precincts have reported in so far. the reagan margin has dropped a bit. down from 21 points down to 18 points. still in the landslide proportions. >> it's dropped from 22 points down to 18 points. that's what counts for suss pence when you talk about a landslide. no one's talking about it being a 49-state landslide, but some interesting things are happening with the map. i want to take you through it. these are how the states voted in 2012. we've taken five of them and made them gray. what are they? basically rust belt states, industrial midwest states that donald trump thinks he can flip. they wer

here's ronald reagan and walter mondale and the bear ad. >> there's a bear in the woods.eople say the bear is tame. others say it's vicious. isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? if there is a bear. >> okay. who was the bear? >> well, at this point in our history, we were most concerned about the soviet union, so it's the personification of the threat of the soviet union. there are similarities between this and the daisy ad. i'm confident it was extraordinarily powerful. you have the person who actually wrote the script, hal riney, narrating it as well. when you have the right sound effects and you have the theatrical quality of an ad and a message like this it works and it's extraordinarily effective. i'm confident the campaign manager of the reagan campaign, ed rollins, at the time had a difficult time to convince people to run it. >> sure. i have an idea, it's a bear. yeah, right. please. ed, sit down. it worked, reagan won the hugest -- by the hugest margin since 1936. something was working there. rex, thank you for joining us today. >> you're welcome. >>> all r

we interviewed walter mondale and he said that if mccarthy would have come out on the stage at the conventionaid, "humphrey's not our best candidate and we don't have -- we're against the war but we need to vote for him rather than richard nixon," that he would have won the election. they had a meeting a couple weeks before the convention where mccarthy told humphrey to come out for him by mid-september. never did. what people didn't know is humphrey and miles lord, a friend of both of those two people, were talking constantly all through the campaign trying to get mccarthy to come on board with humphrey and he wouldn't do it. left the country for a while. no one knows why. >> if you joined us along the way, mick's done a documentary on hubert humphrey. we've got a copy we'll show you later on, the cover, so if you are interested you want to follow up on it. many of the clips we are showing are from his research and some of his documentary. one of those is this 1960, jfk talking about his relationship with hubert humphrey and his influence on his presidential campaign. >> this week i have the

not since 1948 because that's what walter mondale said.nce then weave been on the same path and we have broken infrastructure. we have broken everything, and in these countries that i like which nobody likes to be closely at? they pay a higher v. a t. because then they get bernie sanders free tuition with quality higher education. >> you think a v.a.t. would ever happen. >> it's a regressive tax. >> but the other thing, too, beck, i'm not supporting a v.air. t., it does capture. >> mildly regressive tax but you use it for progressive spending. you use it to ensure that everybody gets decent education, gets quality infrastructure. >> would you support this, because the v.a.t. does collection, 15% of the underground economy? would you support v.a.t. if there was guaranteed no income tax rates? >> zero income tax. >> no more income tax rates, the fear is you give me a v.a.t. and you'll raise my income tax. >> basically something like that. >> dr. sachz, thanks for coming in. >> let's continue. complicated issues. >> this is great. >> thank yo

there's a great quote from the 1984 debate with walter mondale where reagan says, i support amnesty. people may have come here illegally but who work hard, lived in this country. he was a southern californian. he thought thought the idea of a border fence was appalling. as a migrant labor force that moves back and forth across the border and picks the fruit and vegetables. if they don't, the fruit and vegetables rot. he thought. he thought it was a necessity and a reality. he lived in a multicultural world filled with mexican immigrants. he liked the idea of immigration. even -- so he is a view of immigration that would be barely tolerable of the democratic party but not the republican party. he supported handgun control. after he got shot's probably not a great ideas to buy $20 handguns and pawnshops without background checks. because of what happened. you can have that position today and the republican party. the the last one was abortion. reagan changed his view on this but he signed as governor of california something called the therapeutic abortion bill which probably did more a