it appears tonight that senator gary hart is on his way to a clear cut victory over walter mondale. >i look forward to a vigorous debate about this party's future. >> now, okay, there's an alternative to walter mondale it's one of the biggest upsets in american politics at that point. in the contrast, it's so stark. there's less than 10 years difference in their age, they looked 30 years apart. >> the mondale people responding to his shocking loss in new ha ha ha hampshire naturally went on the attack. >> the assault began at a presidential debate in march of 1984. >> let me describe your positions. mr. mondale's hopes for a quick and decisive lead in this hasn't been fulfilled and i believe i heard him use the word clobbered to describe one of his defeats. mr. hart has done well, he's presented himself with a man for the idea of the future. but they say he's a man with no substance. well, onto the substance, ladies and gentlemen. >> mondale stole a page from hart's new-age script to land a telling blow. >> i think the dedication of the democratic party to minority people in the south

it appears tonight that senator gary hart is on his way to a clear cut victory over walter mondale. >look forward to a vigorous debate about this party's future. >> now, okay, there's an alternative to walter mondale it's one of the biggest upsets in american politics at that point. in the contrast, it's so stark. there's less than 10 years difference in their age, they looked 30 years apart. >> the mondale people responding to his shocking loss in new hampshire nicely went on the attack. >> the assault began at a presidential debate in march of 1984. >> let me describe your positions. mr. mondale's hopes for a quick and decisive lead in this hasn't been fulfilled and i believe i heard him use the word clobbered to describe one of his defeats. mr. hart has done well, he's presented himself with a man for the idea of the future. but they say he's a man with no stance. well, onto the stance. >> mondale stole a page from hart's new-age script to land a telling blow. >> i think the dedication of the democratic party to minority people in the south and elsewhere shouldn't just be jobs -- >

walter montel gwen stefani -- describe the senate -- walter mondale described the senator -- the senate as a mediator. a figure to find common ground. that is what has been lost over a long. of time. you have the title is broken. guest: that's the least controversial point you can make because everyone agrees the senate is broken. senators cannot stop talking about how broken it is. they give speeches, write articles and books. the only thing they have not done is fixed it. host: give us specifics. guest: sure. what has happened in recent particularly the last decade, senate leaders used to work together. it was an obligation to work together, they were a leadership team. after the last 20 years and accelerating over the last 10, senate leaders became tribal leaders. the democratic leader let the democrats, republican leader led the republicans. that is not the way it is supposed to work. the house is a majoritarian institution. leaders sevene obligation to come together and make it work. read a, team failed that test and senator mcconnell's effect on the senate has been profound is not

when walter mondale, secured the nomination. obviously these events are bigger than they were, 30 years ago. but city still feels, it's more than up to the challenge. san francisco bay area has been prepared for the primetime. from super bowl 50, couple years ago, to the 1920 democratic convention, a century ago, our history of hosting is rich. the mayor zipped this letter to the dnc chair, tom perez yesterday, saying for generations americans have looked west for pioneering, leadership and ground breaking ideas. we hope the country again turns our way in 2020. any national events that bring focus on city is a positive thing. >> deputy may your to dianne feinstein when san francisco hosted 1984 democratic convention. he selays the arena and center, are the only real options nor sites. the collection in clauds items from the the 1920 convention. including letter from the downtown asseociation. asking the may your to clean of the streets. and cleanliness its still on the radar. >> built of irony there. now, all of the mayoral cand

walter mondale once described the senate at its best as the nation's mediator. this was where we bring together of thisrse interests country and find common ground. that is what has been lost. host: does that lead you to your present conclusion we describe this in as broken? -- the senate as broken? >> that is the least controversial opinion you can make. everyone agrees the senate is broken. senators cannot stop talking about how broken it is. the only thing they have not done is fix it. host: how is it broken? guest: what has happened to in recent years, particularly the last decade, the senate leaders used to work together. it was an obligation to work together. they were a leadership team. over the last 20 years, and accelerating over the last 10, senate leaders became tribal leaders. the democratic leader let the democrats, the republican leader let the republicans. the republicans. that is not the way the senate needs to work. the leaders have an obligation to come together and make it work. mcconnell team failed that test. effect onconnell's the senate ha

. >> i interviewed a lot of people like jimmy carter and walter mondale and he was standing on the floor that night and described what was a big-time ford supporterlo and as he was speaking, there was a brilliant summation that she mutters out loud but everybody can hear her we hadhe nominated the wrong ma. and so, he told that anecdote to me and that ended up in my book the resolution. >> i grew up in the great statea of arizona exposed to the philosophies. how did he convince the country that those values are. >> conservatism, again a good question, conservatism has been defined as being against big government and protesters and since this and that and in many ways the speech against goldwater in 64, he is not only angry,nl he's mostly a beginner but he continues his ideological journey and continues to see the conservatism as something as a powerful force and a child of the enlightenment and the dignity of rights and privacy of the individual which is the basis of the american conservatism and so he then begins to present the case at a much more positive compelling manner not against

first of all hs legacy was in danger and they were fact-based everybody from jimmy carter to walter mondale and everybody in between. these are works of history, they are works of opinion. everything is documented and annotated and things like that. i find them compelling figures of history. then it goes to jackson and the bank of america to lincoln against the institution of slavery to teddy roosevelt and the institution of the trust to franklin roosevelt and the institution of wall street and the washington institution. but it's mostly anti-washington and regaining power for the government and trump falls within which makes it very, very interesting. three o they took 150 years for biography to be written and it may take 150 years for a decent biography to be written to donald trump and to set aside all of the flaws but for many. it's important from the standpoint of history. i'm not going to add anything here except to say that ronald reagan remains a compelling figure of history. even trump doesn't understand him and attacked him at pennsylvania. it is a fundamental misunderstanding of

former vice president walter mondale was nominated for president.ngresswoman ferraro was nominated for vice president. the president ronald reagan was reelected that year. >>> it's 6:48. time to check in with gasia fresh in from the a's ball park. >> we had the best time on the 9 yesterday. we just about melted. >> yeah it was hot. >> it was wort it. and the wind was nice too. i will join you in minutes a moment ago you talked about tax scams we need to be aware of. i am concerned about that and, of course, no one likes to be audited. we dropped off the shoe box of statements and receipts to our tax preparer yesterday. and now we wait as so many of you are. and if tax time has you stress heed, some of that worry may be unnecessary. if you live in fear of an irs audit, why you should rest easier than in years past. also how the vatican worked fast to set record straight on whether the pope denied the existence of hell in an interview with a well-known italian journalist. it started after the reporter asked the pope where bad souls go and later quoted

if you went back 30 years ago when guys like walter mondale and michael dukakis were running as democratsthey weren't just winning in the 18th district of pennsylvania. they were winning landslides. mondale went by double digits. dukakis. why is that? you mentioned the democratic registration edge, almost a historical artifact. it was unions. blue collar. this part of the state traditionally we're talking about blue collar voters when you're talking washington, west moreland, green. what's been happening is two different trends over the last generation. the closer you get to pittsburgh and even into those suburbs, you're seeing trends in the age of trump in the special election, trends away from the election. more suburbans, college educated. get away from pittsburgh in the immediate suburbs and go to older areas in washington, westmoreland, the trend is strong toward the republicans away from ancestry home in the democratic party. that's what you're seeing tonight is what was once the democratic heart of pennsylvania in a lot of ways, that's the key to the republicans and saccone winning

weigh in -- -- amicus court briefs and 25 of them one led by the attorney general of minnesota walter mondale 22 sided with gideon and only two joined florida. saying we shouldn't be forced to do this. >> mr. gideon's case went to the florida supreme court. did they have any choice but to uphold the conviction based on the laws of the state? >> well, based on the laws. state, the statutory laws of the state, i don't think they really had much choice. i think it probably would have been open to them to decide a -- a right under the state constitution but i don't think there was much of an appetite for that. and unlike the supreme court, the florida supreme court didn't pick clarence gideon's case as a vehicle to make a change in the law. and so from the perspective of the florida supreme court, this was just another case. just another prisoner with really not a valid claim in their eyes. and so, you know, i think when you get to the way the supreme court of the united states treats this petition, it's night and day compared to the florida supreme court. to see this as another hopeless petition

quote and i also wrote it on my 76 campaign and i interviewed a lot of people jimmy carter and walter mondaleand i interviewed a reagan field man and he was standing on the floor she was florida and he she was what he described a big-time port supporter and as reagan was speaking to be this brilliant summation is that she mutters out loud but everyone can hear her she exclaims, oh my god, we nominated the wrong man. he told that anecdote to me and that ended up in my book reagan's revolution. >> i grew up in the great state of arizona exposed to the philosophies of barry goldwater and grew up a goldwater republican. how did reagan convince the country that those values were something that should be extolled and that drove him all the way through those four years in getting to the nomination and ultimately president? >> conservatism district again, good question. it's been defined many years as being against big governor and against student protesters and against this and that and in many ways reagan speech for goldwater in 64 he's not only angry but mostly being a again because he continues i

i interviewed everyone from jimmy carter to walter mondale and everyone in between. these are books of history and works of history and these are not works of opinion. everything is documented and annotated everything like that. i find them compelling figures of history. reagan because reagan revolution truly was a revolution against the established order and against the status quo but there is a dialect to american presidential history in every generation or two there's enough people among the population against the established order. it starts with jefferson against adams in the sedition acts and goes to jackson against the bank of america and lincoln against the institutional slavery. teddy roosevelt and the institution of the trust. frequent roosevelt and the institution of wall street and reagan against the washington institution and a small part of the banks. there's mostly anti- washington and it's about regaining power to the american people and trump falls in that dialectic which makes 2016 election very interesting. trump himself may not be a figure of hist

can't ever forget the line that ronald reagan delivered in a presidential debate, and i forget, walter mondaleerience of my opponent affect my decision or something like that. >> that's right. stuart: at mo attempt, bang, it's over. >> he knew everybody was making fun of him for being old. he wasn't bothered by it, but he knew exactly how to diffuse the issue with a smile. remember, every moment in his wife he had a quip. we're coming up on the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt. all in all i would rather be in philadelphia and honey, i forgot to duck. stuart: thank you, mark. >> thanks for having me. stuart: there you are. more "varney" after this. stuart: in 2020 you will be asked if you are a citizen of the united states of america. the question will appear on the census. uproar on the left. there will be an undercount. resources will not be allocated properly. telephone's atty. gen. will sue. it is a bad deal and it is illegal. this is obviously all about illegal immigration. how many illegals are here. and voting is based on citizenship. of the government does not ask if your c

. >> there like the walter mondal mondale. >> jack, i got to ask, the notion that these are crumbs, i'mce that bank of america said they would open a bunch of branches. each branch costume and dollars to build in and have ten employees for this isn't just about the bonuses or the money that they seen their paycheck. it's about broke longer-term. >> you have to be careful. people getting extra money, there are ready getting it. no one's telling the truth and the taxes. the democrats were wrong. we really did need corporate tax cuts. our rates were not competitive. republicans around because on the individual side the tilt is wrong. most the money going to the rich and not the poor and those cuts for middle-class -- >> that's not true. the liberal tax policies said what you said is not true. the middle class is getting impact. >> by the way, you know it's missing in this argument? 60% of households get more in federal benefits. >> by the way, none of it is paid for. were complaining about deficit now with tax cuts? >> all right, we'll leave it there. check this out. before mcdonald's beca

liz: there's a walter mondale democratically forgot about his plan, too. stuart: i guess so. trump is steamrolling along at a speech in pennsylvania coming totally ignored the extraordinary stuff. >> it is early days, we will see. so far the results are outstanding. look at the friday's jobs report. double the number of manufacturing jobs expect it. according to the economic consensus. a big surge in retail. some government jobs, but over the last year not that many government jobs created. this is growth in the real economy that can give us higher living standards and wages. ashley: very difficult for democrats to answer this. >> increasingly difficult and they are now realizing how they botched the tax debate. they should've been at the table figuring out what is tax relief that works for them as opposed to just complete opposition and is getting more people popular as people realize everything for economic interface. stuart: stay there, james. you're not dead yet. pure politics. president trump campaigning for rick saccone saturday night. >> maybe we are going to try. [che