during his presidency though he did suggest david rockefeller should become treasury secretary and walter risserand should become treasury secretary's. they both said no they were busy expanding their homes. lbj would get on the phone and have an invitation, dinner, he just didn't do that. at that point they had gotten together.we could take policy from here and they actually pushed nixon and people in its cabinet to get off the gold standard, which has been in the beginning of president in all sorts of other things and now they started making demands without feeling they needed to give anything in return. there's a lot of stuff in the book and they came out is that this alignment. >> host: so was it your sense at that point in time that the bankers felt, you know what, actually have more power run currently situated than one might think they would have weather says the head of treasury or elsewhere in washington? >> guest: that was exactly it. they had just gone through this expansion. they were still going through it. because none of the presidents have gotten the way of having that consolidat