clothes off and ruin the snow and years later she got him back. >> alice gilliam is the mother of walter scott, the person who told mr. scott in the beginning in the church to be a big person, and after the war -- after the civil war, alice, his mom, was told to go out and get a chair from the barn. and when she went to get a chair from the barn, she spoke to -- she was still living on the plantation, but she was really newly freed from, and when she went out to get a chair from the barn, she told the mistress that mr. gilliam, her owner was gilliam, that mr. gilliam wants a chair and the previous owner, right, said what do you mean, mr. gilliam, it's master gilliam and she was like, no, it's mr. gilliam wants it, so she was very adamant and the idea like i'm free, i no longer have to call him master, and the family recounted that story, i heard that story at least six or seven times in like three days, because the family kind of owned that. you know, it became sort of a symbol of who they were as a family. you know, we are -- we are free, we are going to take advantage of everything that the