i know that wapa is staffed with a lot of good people. but unfortunately a string of past fraudulent spending has cast a shadow over the agency's finances. fraudulent spending of ratepayer money has been recently reported by arizona television stations and by newspapers. this march d.o.e. inspector general reported a list of actions taken by wapa to address concerns over fraudulent or improper spending in the government's purchase card program. however, the d.o.e. report did not, quote, determine the effectiveness of corrective actions in addressing the identified weaknesses, end quote. then just last week it came to my attention that on several instances in sworn testimony this spring, a senior wapa official has said that problems with the government's purchase card program have not been adequately fixed. it's troubling to see that there is disagreement at the highest levels of wapa over whether sufficient safeguards are in place to start stop this from happening again. -- to stop this from happening again. question to you is, obviously

after all that there could still be waste, fraud and abuse at wapa. do you agree that that's an untenable situation? >> yes. and if i may just be sound on that. you know, we at this particular point in time after the i.g.'s investigation are unaware of any current fraud or waste or abuse for that matter at wapa. it is unacceptable. we hopefully will send that message loud and clear that the i.g. inspection did that as well, number one, that we're watching and we're paying attention. if from your perspective and the individual you make reference to, if you think that there is a continued investigative effort that needs to come from d.o.e., can we have that conversation? and go forward from there. because it's just unacceptable, sir. and any time those kind of activities occur, people lose faith in government. and, you know, i came to this job to be of assistance, to help. and i hope i can be. >> well, thank you. what i think would be helpful is to follow up with the i.g. at d.o.e. to ensure that procedures are put in place to ensure that this can't hap

investigation, are unaware of any current fraud or waste or abuse for that matter at wapa. it is unacceptable. we hopefully will send that message loud and clear that the i.g. inspection did that as well. number one that we're watching and we're paying attention. if -- if from your perspective and the individual that you make reference to, if you think that there is continued investigative effort that needs to come from d.o.e., could we have that conversation and go forward from there. because it is just unacceptable, sir. and in any time those kind of activities occur, people lose faith in government and i came to this job to be of assistance, to help and i hope i can be. >> well thank you. and i think what would be helpful is to follow up with the i.g. at d.o.e. to ensure that procedures are put in place so this can't happen again. >> yes, sir. >> and some believe they are not in the i.g. -- their report is saying that it did not determine the effectiveness of corrective actions in addressing the identified weaknesses so obviously they need to do that and if you could req