>> >> warda: disappearing.dying. >> logan: archbishop warda said christians in iraq, ironically felt safer under saddam hussein. democracy brought a new wave of persecution and prompted a mass exodus of christians. when the u.s. withdrew completely in 2011, archbishop warda says the situation became even worse because iraq's new leaders were incapable of governing without help. >> warda: i think american support was needed, needed forcefully. you cannot leave the country like this and tell them, "well we've liberated you. we cannot do the job for you and we are walking away. this is your country, rule it." >> logan: so, in your view walking away in 2011 was just as damaging to iraq as 2003 when the u.s. invaded? >> warda: yes. it's not blaming, but that's the reality. this is not what you came for in 2003. the 4,000 sacrifices of the american soldiers was not meant to come to this day. >> logan: christianity in iraq was born in the towns and villages of the nineveh plains like this one called tel isqof which li

joining me now, jeff warda with the city of st. louis police officers association. jeff let me start with you. you just heard ana. she spoke to williams' attorney. he says police arrested the wrong guy. are police sure? are they sure this is the man who shot two police officers or not? >> yeah. i've talked to a lot of people close to this investigation and there's no doubt we have the right guy here. he was able to you know tell them where the gun was. they recovered the gun, matched it ballastically to the scene and we have him behind bars where he belongs. >> ray, williams' attorney says that williams was beat by police. the word he used was a lot of force. this is a williams' booking photo. he was booked into jail. it appears to show an abrasion on his right cheek. his attorney says he has a lot of bruising on his back which you can't see in the picture. they say he was choked by the next. do you know if police beat williams or coerced him, as his mother says to say that he shot these police officers when he didn't? >> you know i don't know. what i do know is i'v

warda your thoughts about vouchers? a lot of the critics believe that doctors would enable them to engaged in schools but would have them segregated but new york city is one of the most segregated school systems in the country. county schools are not very good teachers. i have had some tutors from some of the colleges in harlem, columbia nyu downtown who can't teach specific subjects. science,, better than most of the teachers in the public school system. what if you don't have the laces you cannot teach in the school system. for instance, louis armstrong couldn't teach music in the school system and on and on. everyone says education is the key. but i don't see the year chintzy about wreck define what is happening in the public school system. >> host: we are going to leave it there and get a response from harvard professor, lani guinier. >> guest: she let coming you raised so many different aspects of the education challenge. i am not sure which one to address or to emphasize. i think you make an excellent point that i