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warfare, here's what i think about. class warfare is about letting unemployment expire for 1.6 million americans and counting. there's class warfare. class warfare is cutting food stamps. gosh, aren't we all excited we got a farm bill now that picks on the most vulnerable in our society. class warfare is attacking unions and people's voices in the workplace, which seems to be exactly what the republicans love to do. class warfare is keeping minimum wage low, depressing the wages as best we possibly can, so we can see the profit go to the top. now, look, i don't think asking these americans right up here at the top to pay a little bit more because the treasury needs it and we're in some tough financial times when it comes to deficit, i think that's the american thing to do. why should we ask them to pay a little bit more? because they can. and we as a society need to make that determination. warfare. let me show you what class warfare really is. >> to begin with, chasing ever-higher spending with ever-higher tax rates will decrease the number of makers in society and increase the number of takers. able-bodied americans will be disc

very tall order so things are just sort of her straight through a rename class warfare really warfare it's with general welfare and it's only a republican policies are killed. it's only taking away health care the results of that i think we need to make this point where also i think we need to. ok john thanks a lot for the call you're absolutely right spot on and well said and we need to be making these points and the other point that we need to make and that isn't made. often enough is that the natural result of a free market the natural result of capitalism is not a middle class. the middle class a middle class is an artificial thing it is created by government principally by trade policies and by high taxation very very progressive taxation poles that's what creates a middle class and as those policies have gone away over the last thirty years so has the middle class the natural course of capitalism is toward monopoly toward concentration of power at the very top concentration of wealth of the very top of very small powerful wealthy ruling elite a very small middle class ruined whe

like chemical warfare, bacterial warfare, forcing women of other countries to be sex slaves, and mass killings of innocent civilians. by visiting the shrine, i think the prime minister is making a statement here. >> what is that political statement? >> he is denying that there were such a war atrocities. he is saying that no one should be responsible for this. i think that this is a real challenge, not only to the post war international order, but also to the international conscience. this is their outlook on history. his rightwing tendency and the steps he had taken and would like to take with regard to security to the japanese military and so on. the combination of this is a recipe for trouble. >> how should the conflict over the islands be settled? >> we believe such disputes should be handled through negotiations. >> between? >> between the countries in a dispute. if it is between china and japan, they should have a negotiation on this. the current japanese government, they do not even admit that there is such a dispute. that is a problem. >> here is what they claim. they argued t

. >> was it an active offensive warfare warfare or was a sabotage? the it was against something we would consider and attack on u.s.. >> i think it's worth being very skeptical of the idea of the cybersecurity -- that anybody would follow precisely because unlike airpower even in the form of unmanned aerial vehicles cyberoperations are done almost exclusively in secret. they are almost always deniable. they are almost always denied and they are very difficult to attribute area that makes compliance very difficult to contemplate. is the more important that you develop norms and areas we can develop norms or you have some type of carryover which says there have to be some limits the two on cyber even if you have notes prospect of agreeing on what they are. >> if you have a question make wait for the microphone and identify yourself. we will begin with this lady here. see hi. i am a doctoral candidate at the universiuniversi ty of california in irvine. i have been studying a lot of these groups and most of these groups have a lot of state support which

warfare is not sanitary there really is no such thing as surgical strikes and any time you're engaged in warfare there is going to be collateral damage and it's highly unfortunate that the collateral damage often involves civilians women and children but that's the nature of warfare and the nature of warfare these days as we've seen post nine eleven is not the same type of warfare we faced in decades prior they are not declared wars they're not necessarily official wars and you know i'm a law professor as well at columbia also at u.c.l.a. and when we teach the law of war the sort of things we're teaching are old wars we're in a new environment and a new regime now mary ellen you kind of touched on it before but one of the problems is the classification of what exactly a militant is an elephant is defined as all military aged males in a strike zone regardless of whether or not they participated in combat activities could the civilian death toll be even higher than the u.s. made or that this report estimates given that the classification. well i have to disagree with abraham when he said that we're in a new kind of warfare and therefore the way we classify people has to change under international law the definitions in the geneva conventions and there are additiona

like like chemical warfare, bacterial warfare, forcing women of other countries to be sex slaves and mass killing of innocent civilians. so i think prime minister abe is making a political statement. >> rose: and what is that political snaplt. >> he is denying that there were such war atrocities and he is even telling us that nobody should be responsible for these things. i think that this is a real challenge, a real challenge not only to the post-war international world but also to the international conscience. you see his outlook on history, his right wing tendency and the steps he has already taken and he would like to take with regard to security to the japanese military and so on. the combination of this is a recipe for trouble. >> rose: how should the conflict over the islands be settled? >> we believe such issues should be handled through negotiations. >> rose: between? >> between the parties concerned. it's a territorial dispute between china and japan, then china and japan should have negotiations on this. but the problem is that the kind of japanese government, they do not

people are worried about class warfare warfare. growth and getting growth for everybody, that might be more beneficial to him. >> all right. got to leave it there. ben, great to see you. we'll be watching tonight. you can watch along with us. i'll be co-hosting our special coverage of the state of the union, along with karl and john harwood. the fun begins at 9:00 p.m. eastern. and you can watch "shark tank" at 11:00. it will be like a "shark tank," the political version. >>> another merging market in the balance. what happens in the next few minutes could reverberate around the world. what you need to know about an emergency meeting of central bankers in cur can i, coming up in ex-. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ ♪ [ indistinct shouting ] [ male announcer ] time and sales data. split-second stats. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ ♪ it's so close to the options floor... [ indistinct shouting, bell dinging ] ...you'll bust your brain box. ♪ ♪ all on thinkorswim from td ameritrade. ♪ ♪ >>> welcome back. turkey's central bank expected to wrap up

warfare there's going to be collateral damage and is highly unfortunate that the collateral damage often involves civilians women and children. but that's the nature of warfare and the nature of warfare. these days as we've seen post nine eleven is not the same height before prayer we faced in decades prior. they are not declared wars are not necessarily an official war is an indian on the law professor is well a columbia also at ucla and when we teach to go along for the store and things were teaching are all wars were in a new environment then the new regime. mount miriam on you kind of touched on it before but one of the problems that is the classification of what exactly a militant it's not defined as all military age males are in a strike zone regardless of whether or not they participated in combat activity is could the civilian death toll be even higher than the us made or the nist report estimates given and that classification well i have to disagree with abraham when he said that when a new kind of warfare and therefore the way we classify people has to change under international law the definitions in the geneva conventions and additional protocols the definition of who was

charlie, of conventional warfare, in conventional warfare, the easy bart is the surveillance, you know, you fly the spy plane overhead, the hard part is doing the attack. in cyber warfare it is the reverse. the hard part is getting the surveillance software in and undetected. once it is there and sitting there and creating a pathway for you, the easier part is going the attack. >> rose: let me turn to the president's speech on friday. >> sure. >> rose: your newspaper reported in a piece today, which i found interesting that and this is like the third paragraph, peter baker and charlie savage, the result, projecting what he might say seems to be a speech that leaves in place many current programs, leaves in place many current programs but embraces the spirit of reform and keeps the door open to change later. and that sound like, that sound like more rhetoric and betting on the come than it does changing today. >> it sure does, charlie, and we will have to wait until friday morning when he gives the speech over at the justice department to find out how specific he is going to be. but there are a few things to look for. the committee that he, the advisory committee that h

warfare in the valley. keach: archaeologists call warfare a "cultural universal," a feature of almost all human societies. in this mural, maya lords capture a victim during a raid. in copan, the captive would have been taken to a temple in the west court and sacrificed to the maya gods of the underworld. linda schele believes the ritual involved hundreds of people in a public ceremony of sacrifice and dance. the image of the dance has people dressed in the most incredibly elaborate costumes. it's almost like if you've ever seen the mummers dance in the thanksgiving day parade with the great feather fans around them. it was just like that. only these were iridescent, green quetzal feathers. there would have been musicians. they would have played drums this high... turtle shells with deer horns. they had great rattles like this. they had long wooden trumpets. they had whistles of all sorts, so that the whole place would have been filled with this incredible cacophony of sound. at the right moment, the king would pull a stingray spine through his tongue or cut through his genitals and pull paper or pull rope through it to draw the blood. some of the captives would have been sacrificed up above and thrown down to this part of the ceremonies. others of them the king himself would dispatch, and then tie them up in a ball. and that's when the captive go as the sacrificial messengers into the other world to make sure that the ancestors and the gods lend their power to this place. keach: as gruesome as it may seem, warfare is often a ritual activity among early civilizations. but as societies became larger and more complex, the goal of warfare shifted from ritual to political conquest. evidence for this shift appears clearly at monte alban. about 500 years after these carvings of ritual victims were made, monte alban had grown dramatically. more than 20 new buildings were constructed in the main plaza. the royal palace was enlarged from a narrow structure to an expansive compound. much of this growth was made possible by a new kind of warfare, which is described by hieroglyphs found on this building, among the earliest writing to appear in mesoamerica. archaeologist elsa redmond. >> each of the 50 or so carved stone slabs on this building has the following elements -- first an upside-down human head in profile with lifeless eyes. some have face painting. in mesoamerica, an upside-down head like this refers to conquest. above that is a constant element. this is a hill glyph, which in several mesoamerican

were too big and unwieldy for submarine to send them they had no role in siege warfare because we were not involved in sea warfare. he had an idea. why not take the big guys, the 14-inch and 16-inch guns that were on battleships and that some of them on two flat tires that could then be used as traveling artillery, big artillery to go towards the front lines. he did. ever done that way and successful. and then he volunteered to an admiral who is in charge. can i be in uniform? been one of the batteries. the admiral said i'll be glad to make you tend to commander, but i don't think the president will let you. he campaigned to the end of the war to get into uniform, but he could not do it. he was involved in other activities that were equally far from reality. the idea he was getting into work. various kinds of inventors came to the navy department, asking for a raise to help the war effort. what could they do to speed victory? they came up with crazy inventions, all kinds of inventors, well known and unknown. thomas edison was one of them, came to the navy with ideas. daniels provided the important ones and nothin

were too big and unwieldy for submarine defense and they had no role in sea warfare because we were not involved in sea warfare. he had an idea. why not take the big guns, a 14 inch and 16 inch guns on battleships and move some of them on to flatcars that could then be used as travelling artillery, big artillery to go toward the front lines and he did. they were done that way and successful and he volunteered to an admiral who was in charge of the battery can i be in uniform and what i those batteries? and the admiral said i would be glad to make you a lieutenant commander and charge you one of those batteries but i don't think the president will let you and that was true. he campaigned to the end of the war to get into uniform but he could not do it. he was involved in other activities that were equally far from reality. getting in to work. various kinds of inventors came to the navy department asking for ways to help the war effort. what could they do to speed victory? they came up with crazy inventions, all kinds of inventors, well-known and unknown. thomas edison was one of them, came to the navy with idea

warfare. is it real class warfare or is it something else? goes back to what i said which was for me, you know, i'm not an expert, i'm not a scientist, i'm just a guy that had some experience with addiction to drugs and alcohol, which i . . . >>> i started to understand that what happened to me with money and power was a lot like what happened to me with alcohol and drugs. >> are you saying when you are in the game, you really don't think about how much money you make, except about how big your bonus is? you don't really think about the people you may hurt on the way up? >> wall street is a funny place. the people you sit next to make millions of doll rs ars. sometimes hundred of millions of dollars. i sometimes felt like i was unpaid when i made $500,000. that perspective is so narrow. when you are addicted to something, you can only see what's in front of you. you are trying to get more and more. that's what money was like for me. i never had the sense that my fears about whether i was going to get $1 million or $2 million was not even clos

protect our networks, to protect our systems and how does that impact future warfare, because it is going to impact future warfare and we have to understand that. from a national issue, i'll just say this is about our ability to protect our financial networks, our infrastructure and it's an important issue and we have to recognize this is a new form of people attempting potentially to influence what's going on in the united states. so it's incumbent on us to improve our capability. in the army we stood up an army cybercommand. we're reorganizing ourselves. we are going to stand up a cybercenter of excellence soon and we're doing this in order to create the capabilities and expertise to deal with this. we already have some significant capability, but we are going to expand it as we move forward. but as you know, as you're watching playing out every day, there's some very important and fundamental legal and policy issues that have to be worked through as we continue to deal with this new threat. and so for me that's probably the most important thing. in terms of the china and the establishment of a -- what they con

are they right about that in >> i think so, class warfare and income inequality is nice way of saying class warfaretrying to get middle-class and lower income americans to be angry about the fact that the rich have so much more money than they do. and it has been a decidedly ineffective political strategy over the years because quoit frankly i joke, people don't hate donald trump. they want to be donald trump. i am all for the president taking on pof are they and helping those in the bottom. i am certainly for the president standing up for middle-class folks that are squeezed and older americans who thought they would be retiring and now the 401 k's are empty and focusing on the difference between the few in the top and the rest of us, strikes me politically speaking as anger based strategy that traditionally failed, and not suck soweded. >> and you know what, history shoes in a recession, porpeople in the middle class are hurt the most and in opposite, periods of high growth they gain siing cantly. wasn't the role problem a lack of economic growth and to that extent there is a fox news poll, a dif

warfare. democrats will be accused of engaging in class warfare. >> the thing they rely on is the minimum wage. that's supported by republicans and democrats and independents. i know in kentucky allison grimes, the senate candidate there running against mcconnell, her staff thinks that proposal is a great idea, where it puts mcconnell in a box. so they feel that that kind of issue is smart one. obama's leaning more toward minimum wage than tax increases, i think that's a smart way to go. >> reid very quickly because i want to get to something rand paul said today. it's been interesting to note that essentially most of the focus of what we'll be hearing about is domestic and obviously that's where people's interests are. but kind of a debacle right now in afghanistan. you would think that the president, i know he's got his talking point that we're going to be getting out. but i would hope that he'll address -- you've got afghanistan, syria, iran, there are some really important foreign policy issues that could actually overtake the second term. >> and you've seen a real stark divide between con

warfare. there was a chinese general, i quoted from him in my book about a year and a half ago, who said we don't have to engage in military warfare against the united states, we're engaging in economic warfareecause we can't stop ourselves from spending. >> correct. charles: all right. thanks a lot. the administration has a habit of picking and choosing which parts of obamacare they think is enforceable and delaying some parts they don't like and then keeping some parts into place. our next guest says this approach is going to eventually kill obamacare, give our next president the upper hand to dismantle this law piece by piece. let's bring in attorney brian callahan. brian, the president, you know, has been sort of willy-nilly. it's interesting, monica just sort of blamed both parties with respect to our incestuous borrowing. but it seems like congress, all of congress has stepped back and let the president sort of dictate how this law is enforced. >> well, charles, you know, the president said earlier this week he boasted that he's got a pen, and he's willing to use it to act where congress is not willing to act. so i think the trouble for the president is that, as i point out in the jour

warfare? because it is going to impact future warfare and we have to understand that.from a national issue >> that the in ability to protect our infrastructure and it's an important issue. and this leads us to talk about what is going on in the united states. so it's part of improving our capabilities and we stood up and we are reorganizing ourselves and we are going to stand up with excellency. we are to have some significant capability that we are going to expanded as we look forward. and as you know there are some important fundamentals that have to be worked through and china and the establishment with what they consider to be a sovereign situation in china. this is about us working through some very difficult issues in order for us to ensure that we have sustained a level of security that has been here for us in the best interest of our allies and building strong relations to china so we will maintain a level of security and this is something that we just have to talk about as we move forward. >> we are unfortunately almost out of time. leucovorin i asked velasque

warfare? because it is going to impact future warfare and we have to understand that.from a national issue this is about our ability to protect their infrastructure and it's an important issue. we have to recognize that this is a new form of people attempting potentially to influence was going on in the united states. i think it's incumbent on us to improve our capability. in the army we are reorganizing ourselves. we are going to stand up as cybercenter of excellence in to create the capabilities and expertise to deal with this. we are to have some capability but we are going to expand it as we move forward. but as you know there are important and fundamental legal and policy issues that have to be worked through as we continue to deal with this new threat. for me that is probably the most important thing. in terms of china and the establishment of what they consider to be a sovereign fly zone to china, again this is about us working through some very difficult issues in order for us to it ensure that we sustain a level of security necessary for us and the best intere

of all the things i've said about tax breaks and whoever wants to play the class warfare game can play the class warfare game about me. >> not you. >> the bottom line is i think that income inequality is the generational challenge that we face. however, i don't think punishing them and making it harder for them to get into the work force. it gets an applause line. >> would you agree, joe, that it should go up with the rate of inflation? it would be a $10.50. >> i think you should look at the economy and when the economy gets stronger, it should go up. by the way, when i economy gets stronger, then inflation usually goes up. i don't think that a time to raise is at a time when the job participation is like a 30-year low, which means more and more people are given giving up looking for a job. >> in the studies you need to look at, joe, there's one a community is raising their minimum wage to $15 an hour to see how it shakes out. do you have people who lose their jobs because the minimum wage is being raised and you set that against the amount of increased spending among those who have a little more money

protect our networks, to protect our systems and how does that impact future warfare, because it is going to impact future warfare and we have to understand that. from a national issue, i'll just say this is about our ability to protect our financial net borks, our infrastructure -- networks, our infrastructure and it's an important issue and we have to recognize this is a new form of people attempting potentially to fluence what's going on in the united states -- influence what's going on in the united states. so it's incumbent on us to improve our capability. in the army we stood up an army cybercommand. we're reorganizing ourselves. we are going to stand up a cybercenter of excellence soon and we're doing this in order to create the capabilities and expertise to deal with this. we already have some significant capability, but we are going to expand it as we move forward. but as you know, as you're watching playing out every day, there's some very important and fundamental legal and policy issues that have to be worked through as we continue to deal with this new threat. and so for me that's probably the most i

obama used drone warfare in effective way in order to protect this country. the truth is that the nature of warfare is changing dramatically in the world. there is no way that any country can control chaotic nations like iraq and afghanistan it's impossible unless you impose nazi like regime where you execute people at will. the united states can't nation build any longer. we do have to get out of situations that drain our blood and treasure. we have to use high tech weapons to wreak havoc among those who threaten us and selective boots on the ground special forces not mass forces to impose order. so president obama is not wrong when he is skeptical of iraq and afghanistan. the problem with the commander and chief is that he does not seem to have the will to win. he doesn't have a killer instinct to wage an effective war. i suspect robert gates and every single american commanding officer knows that gates does say nice things about the president in the book. he had to do that or be branded a weasel, someone who serves and betrays scott mcclelland. talking points believes gates accurately portrayed

warfare, or was it sabotage? >> yes. it was an act of offensive warfare against something we would consider was a threat against the u.s.. >> i think it's worth being very skeptical of the idea of an international cyber norms agreement that anybody would follow precisely because unlike air power even in the form of unmanned aerial vehicles, cyber operations are done almost exclusively in secret, they're almost always deniable, they're almost always denied, and they're very, very difficult to attribute. and that makes compliance very difficult to contemplate. >> which actually makes it more important that you develop norms on the areas you can develop form norms so that you have even some kind of carryover that says there have to be some limits on what you do with cyber or even if we have no prospect of agreeing with what they are. .. you would still have the central architecture of some sort in place, which is a u.s. domestic statute that authorizes the use of force against certain groups, perhaps including groups like the haqqani network, and that would

stuart: i say this kind of class warfare, bill deblasio is doing it, the president is doing it, that kind of class warfare: numbers are on their side. some of the statistics you were talking about earlier, it was 40%, and the 47% that got mitt romney in trouble. growing under obama, not shrinking. what happens when it passes 50%? there will be more bill deblasios being elected. their tax rate is 78%. stuart: would get there with a check. we are out of time but thank you, we appreciate it. former defense secretary robert gates blasts president obama's leader should style in his new book, he put politics before his troops, because he didn't consider the president didn't consider the wars to be his. colonel ralph peters explains. welcome back. how is everything? there's nothing like being your own boss! and my customers are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order. good news. i got a new title. and a raise? management couldn't make that happen. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliabilit

warfare. the easiest part of this is surveillance. you can fly the spy plane overhead and the hard part is doing the attack. in cyber warfare this is worse getting them in and undetected. once this is sitting there and creating a pathway, -- >> let me turn to the president's speech on friday. your newspaper reported something i found interesting, this is the third paragraph. peter baker and charlie savage. the result, he seems to say, seems to leave in place many current programs, leaves in place many current programs but it embraces the spirit of reform. and keeps the door open to change later. that sounds like more rhetoric, then it does changing today. >> it sure does and we will have to work and -- wait until friday morning when he gives a speech to the justice department to see how specific he is going to be. the committee that the advisor the advisory committee that he created, to come up with suggestions for change, issued an unclassified report with 46 recommendations. we will be able to go right down the scorecard and say that the president embraced this one and rejected that, punting some of the others. but he has

warfare across the planet and understand that the u.s. constitution has nothing to do with that and if we want to fundamentally change if we do believe that these alliances are dangerous in the warfare in the killing that they lead to are dangerous then we have to go to basics and go to square one so i would advise americans to take a look at the defend the guard act and understand that twenty eight percent of the deployments to iraq in afghanistan were of their own states national guard troops if people took control of their foreign policy in creative ways on the local and state level and in washington d.c. you know with the aid of maybe another edward snowden type episode or more leaks or liberations of documents then that's when you'll start to see washington d.c. change its foreign policy but not just based on you know a debate on pros and cons of the ideas of alliances in real politic people have to get involved in take back their foreign policy and americans americans shouldn't have to pay for all of these alliances and you know foreign entanglements. in the end how much they have paid in debt and in blood that it's not worth it in the american people have been shut out from this. the only way that they can take it back is through the state and local level first ok john i mean it's interesting when they had to say there because the american people did speak up when it came to syria when obama was threatening to attack the country there was this uproar you know and but it seems to me people got better educated because my sense and in media americans are not very well educated when it comes to iran when it comes to israel when it comes to saudi arabia. you know americans don't know much at all about foreign policy and that's been true for a long time it's been called oftentimes isolationism and that goes back to you know centuries past but it's really it's really sort of more concern with the you know jobs and domestic issues the knowledge of foreign affairs is scant. you know and dog of mentioned at the beginning this shift towards isolationism i really don't see that i mean yes after a terrible horrible illegal murderous and costly war like iraq or before it vietnam you know the country tends to say ok let's step back from that let's step back from those excesses and focus on the home front that's that's natural and it sort of ebbs and flows but it's it's hard and it's hard really to say that the united states has shifted in an isolationist direction we still have you know a thousand military bases but it doesn't you know all around the world. before before you jump in i just want to rebut something that you said i know we don't want to go back in the conversation but you know you talked about iran and the fact that we we went ahead with these discussions and negotiations despite the objections of israel and saudi arabia yeah that was after almost forty years of isolation we had many many countless opportunities to come to an agreement before that and we didn't primarily because we were beholden certain interests that were not our own you know in this cause all kinds of horrible things i mean right now the iranians are suffering under the one of the harshest sanctions regimes in the world that that's economic warfare of a very severe kind where people are not being able to get food on the table in their currency is iraq eating they can't import the right kind of medicines i mean it's terrible what's happening in this kind of suffering just one example of it never needed to happen because we could have had a detente decades ago but it was it didn't happen because because of the u.s. relationship and and behold in this to do saudi arabia and israel ok down to new york we had jump in. well i think first of all i think your character the characterization of us iranian relations is a little bit simplistic there have been periods of time touch lee i mean we just think back to the opening of the war in afghanistan where there was tacit cooperation between the united states and iran in the overthrow of the taliban have been other periods of cooperation a bit i think their relationship has slowed it's has been largely won by tension and i think that's largely because in part because of the traumatic legacy

warfare is really. we're not in a class warfare mode.have a president who will not address any of the topics i just mentioned because those are sore points. they -- sore points don't come up. >> yeah. you said last night about the market. the things that were working so well last year, cars, housing. >> right. >> retail have essentially if they haven't fallen out of bed they're certainly off of their highs. >> rth is hanging by a thread. >> and you have a lot of words in your words who are out of position. >> yes. this was a moment when you suddenly had to say, do you know what, i needed to be back into dominion, back in con ed, take a look at kimberly which has held up incredibly well with a good quarter. i think people were kind of leaning towards the industrials and those stocks were up the whole day and finished very strong. when you go over the ford quarter, north american is extraordinary. europe's still bad. autos at least going into the quarter were still good. housing, i don't know. do people really go out and buy houses in the

warfare. >> let the rich do what the rich do, which is get richer, but along the way, they bring everybody else with them when the system is working. he mentioned his point that class warfaread gotten out of hand. >> they got into the discussion of the idiocy of rolex watches and why does any man need a rolex watch? it is a symbol of terrible values, etc.. well, i think that is a little silly. this isn't a rolex. i could buy a sixpack of rolexes for this, but so what? >> that comment caused a small explosion on twitter. here is some advice perkins has for the 99%. >> i think the 99% across america should pay attention to politics, follow where it is going, do read the newspaper, don't try to get everything over twitter and facebook. it's not bear. and worry about the future, , i thinkight now america faces a very, very troubled future. >> quite a jump to assume the 99% doesn't read newspapers. in the end, he says being an object of scorn is just part of life. >> i am an old man. i look back on my career with great happiness. it i think i have accomplished a lot. if i had to do it again i don't think i would change. and i am at ease with myself. the fact that everybody now

warfare. take a look at the house republican budget from last year. major tax cuts for the wealthiewealt wealthiest of americans. if that's not a declaration of class warfare, i don't know what is. the president has to lay out these challenges and the contrast and invite republicans to work with him, but make it clear we're not going to go slow as the slowest boat. >> how far are you willing to see the president goes before it would raise questions about his authority to do things? i think it would be a hell of a conversation for the country to engage in. mr. president, you go. you go as far as you have to go. is that attitude out there? >> ed, obviously, everybody wants to make sure everybody works within their constitutional powers. at the same time, we know that the constitution gives the president lots of flexibility within the powers that he's given. we do believe the president should exercise those powers for the good of the people. take climate change for an example. you could put into place laws that would reduce climate change in a much smarter way if you get congress engaged. but if congress is going to refuse to engage, the fact is the president

warfare, any time you talk about income inequality, because they have no solutions. they have nothing to say other than slinging accusations and insults. >> well, it's not even class warfarebiased. >> right. >> we're operating like nazi germany. you are talk about going from the absurd to the bizarre. it's amazing. let me get to the fact that the president is going the address this, mark, despite this political lunacy. one white senior adviser previewed a major theme of the state of the union, making this a year of action, he says. and i'm quoting him. he is very focused and very excited about all the ways we can move the ball forward if congress isn't willing to go along. he's energized by the creative thinking going into the ways to move forward. and this is something that the president has been hammering home all month. listen to this, mark. >> i've got a pen and i've got a phone. and i can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward. >> long-term, the challenge of making sure everybody who works hard can get ahead in today's economy is so important that we can't wait for congress to solve it. w

warfare or fighting for the long-term unemployed? president obama pushing for renewed unemployment benefits and minimum wage increase in a campaign against what democrats call income inequality. our panel is back. byron, is this class warfare, or is this fighting for the people who don't have jobs, and what's the test to figure it out? >> well, it's also campaigning for november. i think that's a really important thing. you have to remember this is important of the agenda that the president laid out in his speech on december 4, the inequality speech in which he basically says his administration is going to be devotesed to this for the rest -- devoted to this for the rest of his time in office. democrats believe they have a winning issue on unemployment insurance. they think the public is with him on that. and also on the minimum wage. on unemployment insurance, i do kind of look for republicans to cave on this at some point. now, if you listen to republicans, they're saying, well, we don't -- we don't really oppose unemployment insurance, but we oppose it if you don't pay for it. so -- >> that's the offset? >> exactly. you could see negotiations in the coming weeks, to find some b -- some way to pay for it. >> nina? >> a c

warfare, there are a lot of analogues. it is easy to do, it is potentially -- it lowers the cost of attacking. is there a geneva convention on cyber warfare that we need to think about touching mark -- think about? have had dialogues in various countries. what are the except will rules for cyber. we are preparing the batter filled by going into another country's in her missions to them -- information systems and extracting information. we are destroying their computer systems. >> was an active warfare? or was it sabotage? >> i think it is worth being very skeptical of the idea that anybody would follow precisely airpower, even in the form of unmanned aerial vehicles, cyber operations are done almost exclusively in secret. they are almost always deniable. they are almost always denied. they are very difficult to attribute. that makes compliance very difficult to contemplate. >> is immoral for and that you -- is it important that you develop norms so that there is carryover. ? >> we are going to open it up for questions. raise your hand and wait for the microphone. identify yourself. >> am a doctoral candidate at california irvine. i've been studying a lot. most of these groups have out- of-state support. it is state sponsorship. what kind of effect would that states essentially the that sponsor the groups? an example that comes to mind is a network in pakistan. whentan was very offended they were designated as a terrorist group. i'm interested about your opinion whether a reformed a

warfare. it is to make sure there is no deficit of opportunity which has been happening for the last 20 years. it is not class warfare they ever have been. >> when presidents say things like spreading the wealth and the wealthy have to do their share and those with more have to do more. >> that's just liberalism. look, again, i would just say there are aspects of things that liberals and democrats say, including what things maria just said about san francisco and so on that i fairly strongly disagree with but that doesn't justify invoking nazi analogies that are just ludicrous. what's difficult, these are more complicated than rich versus poor. if you look at the case of san francisco, for instance, when people talk about rich people pushing poor people out of san francisco, it has some of the strictest zones laws in the united states of america. it is a heavily regulated city in which it is very difficult to build in you housing. what that means, since it is also a city lots of people want to live in, the price of housing keeps going up. the answer is neither for the rich to whine about how they are persecuted nor f