they're not doing that and again, that declines in jobs, then if you don't have to be, you know, warner von braun to try to want to build another option. >> it's not to say that they're not getting results, by the way. they're not getting enough results or getting the best results. >> neil: and 60,000 fewer jobs versus 700,000 for nonunion factory jobs. >> they may be competing for a smaller piece of the pie, but you know, tell the union employees who have better contracts as a result of the negotiations that their leadership has done, you know, they shouldn't try so hard. >> neil: charles payne what, do you think. >> adam says they're-- they are getting results, but they're terrible results and it's -- listen. >> neil: what are these terrible pay backs and the price to be had, to charlie's point that the jobs you gain are cheaper paying jobs. >> i think it was camden, new jersey last year, they had an opportunity, the unions did, to create the package with the city that would have allowed more rookie cops, but instead they protected the pay of the senior guys. >> those are public sector unions.