warren buffett: the timing was affected by when susie died.o make a decision of the best way to make use of the claim checks. i wanted to come up with a rational decision as the most useful way to get the money to society. she saw every person as individually important. if there were 6 billion people on this planet, everyone deserved the same chance in life and chance for health. i am not as charitable as a person who puts $10 and a collection plate to give up a christmas present for a child. i hope that the pledge -- i would love to figure out ways to have helped that hit a broader area of society. we originally worked on the forbes 400 to get really wealthy people to focus on what can be done with their wealth and pledge what they will do with it. the group we are calling on has $1 billion, if they give half, what can you do with $500 million, if you need another million dollars beyond $500 million, you have to explain it to me. >> that gives me a feeling of elevation, this is a man who could have done nothing at all for the public good. he

warren buffett: i could take all my money and do what they used to do in egypt.ld use that money to build the biggest tomb ever built. we could have it outside omaha and i could literally get 50,000 guys to put them in loin cloths and haul granite around and make them forget all about egypt in 10 years. the net product of everything i had done in my life would be the world's biggest tomb and 1000 years from now people would come to a lot to see my tomb. it strikes me as crazy. even in modified versions of it, i do not get it. michael bloomberg: a cynic would say you cannot take it with you. although i remember the cartoon with the family with vultures looking down on this conjurer on his deathbed and he says, i know i cannot take it with me, but i can take the access code. [laughter] terry: that's true. how did you feel the date you gave 99.9% of your wealth to philanthropy? warren buffett: the timing was in terms of making a pledge to philanthropy was affected by when susie died. when she died first, i had to make a decision of the best way to make use of the cl

today, warren buffett put out a statement. for starters, warren buffett is still a billionaire. [applause] and you know, he put out a statement and it said this: i have to say, this is warren buffett talking, i pay federal income tax every year since 1944. when i was 13 years old. he says i have copies of all 72 of my returns and non-uses a carry forward which was the gimmick trump used to avoid paying taxes and i love this, his last paragraph area finally , i have been audited by the irs multiple times and am currently being audited. i have no problems releasing my tax information while under audit. [applause] then he concludes by saying, neither would mister trump and he would have no legal problem so if you're going to call out warren buffett, you'd better be prepared for him telling some good old fashioned nebraska honest facts about what the truth really is. and the other thing about warren buffett is he agrees with me. rich people ought to be paying more federal income taxes to pay their fair share for our country. also last night, donald had no answer when confronted by t

so did warren buffett, so did george soros, so did many of the other people that hillary is getting money>> buffett wasted no time responding issuing this statement, i'm quoting him, mr. trump says he knows more about taxes than any other human. he has not seen my income tax returns, but i am happy to give him the facts. i have paid federal income tax every year since 1944 when i was 13. though being a slow starter, i owed only $7 in tax that year. i have copies of all 72 of my returns and none uses a carry forward. paula monica is here with me, cnn money digital correspondent. if both of these men are billionaires, one consistently pays federal taxes. how does that work? >> well, warren buffett obviously -- significantly more than donald trump -- >> how many million? >> $65 billion is the most recent estimate. despite what trump may claim, he's definitely not going to say that. the issue here is warren buffett, like many millionaires, has been able to take deductions for charitable giving and for other reasons, but buffett is fighting back saying, here is what my income taxes were last y

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a different one, warren buffett.ling donald trump's bluff after this. >> i absolutely used it, and so did warren buffett and so diz george soros, and so did many of the other people that hillary is getting money from. >> you heard it. donald trump claiming warren buffett used the same kind of tax deductions trump did, avoiding paying federal taxes. well, warren buffett responded by releasing his own tax returns, despite mr. buffett himself being under audit, exactly what donald trump is. he's saying he paid federal income tax every year since 1944. and he reiterated his call for trump to release his taxes. joining me now is someone who knows quite a bit about this, tim o'brien. he's the author of "trump nation, the art of being donald trump." over the summer, warren buffett said, hey, donald trump, release your taxes. clearly, we know donald didn't. anyway shot you think now he will? >> no, there's no way he's going to release his taxes. why would he? it's going to expose how robust his businesses are, how charitable

investor warren buffett is firing back after donald trump attacked his tax history. the republican nominee faced criticism for using a deduction that could have helped him in sunday's debate, donald trump said that warren buffett used the same practice. >> the taxes are very simple thing. as soon as i have -- first of all, i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. many of our friends took bigger deductions, warren buffett took a massive deduction, soros, a friend of hers took a massive deduction, many of the people giving her all this money that she can do many more commercials than me gave her -- took massive deductions. >> and in a sme buffett said trump, quote, has not seen my income tax returns and i have paid federal income tax every year since 1944 when i was 13. cbs news financial contributor mellody hobson joins us from chicago. we want to point out, she wants to point out, she supports hillary clinton as does warren buffett. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> i know you talked to a source close to warren buffett. was he watching the debate and he

warren buffett took massive deduction. soros, a friend of hers took a massive many more people who gave her money. >> warren buffett said, quote, donald trump has not seen my income tax returns and i've wade federal knicks tax ever year since 1944 when i was 13. she wants to point out she supports hillary clinton and so does warren buffett. >> was he watching and heard his >> he was very annoyed. very. my source said just because it was fact really incorrect what was being stated. he felt the need first thing monday morning to set the record straight which is why he released a summary of his 2014 tax return which spelled out the facts and numbers and debunked any idea that he had taken a loss to not pay taxes. >> basically used the point that he had not used the carry-forward for his personal >> correct. specifically, my source says he never has, in the 73 years he's been filing taxes. >> but the type of deduction that donald trump is being criticized for is call a net loss-carry forward. it's had bipartisan support in the

[cheers and applause] last night he tried to drag and warren buffett.hat was like maybe i never paid income-tax the today warned but that plan out statement for starters, warren buffett is a real billionaire. [cheers and applause] and he pled out a statement that centcom i have paid federal income-tax every year since 1944. when i was 13 years old. he says i have copies of all 72 of my returns and none of them use the kerrey for word that is the gimmick that trump uses an alumnus finally i have been audited by the ira's multiple times and in currently being audited. i have no problem to release my tax information while under audit. [cheers and applause] and then he concludes by saying at least he would have no legal problem. so you are going to call out warren buffett so be prepared for some good old-fashioned nebraska honest facts about what the truth really is. and he agrees with me. they should be paying more to paid airfare share for our country. also last night pdf pdf that he is then buying cheap chinese steel for construction projects. instead of

i know i've talked to a to yourself that was close to warren buffett. was he watching the tee pay tded >> he was very annoyed. very. my source said just because it was fact really incorrect what was being stated. he felt the need first thing monday morning to set the record straight which is why he released a summary of his 2014 tax return which spelled out the facts and numbers and debunked any idea that he had taken a loss to not pay taxes. >> basically used the point that he had not used the carry-forward for his personal income taxes? >> correct. never has, in the 73 years he's been filing taxes. >> but the type of deduction that donald trump is being criticized for is called a net loss-carry forward. it's had bipartisan support in the past and many businesses and personal people you know, correct? >> totally legal. again, we don't know how many people have used it in this way. so that is true. it's very simple. he took a big loss. and the loss says that you can use that loss to offset future income. so it's a very simple math. >> mellody, just a mi

he said george soros and warren buffett used the laws as well. hillary clinton making news saying she didn't recall joking that she would like to drone wikileaks's julian assange. a lot of revealing stuff. to help clinton just said, let's bring in trump economic adviser peter navarro and former senator scott brown. senator, what did you make about what donald trump was aki about the tax laws and saying george soros and warren buffett he's taking advantage of the tax code available to every american. every business person trying to make a difference, trying to create jobs, go out on a limb and help the economy, sometimes it doesn't work out and our tax code allows you to take losses and carry them forward. so he's right, before i got there, emac, they had a supermajority and they had a president who was charge, president obama. they could have done all the wonderful things with the tax code and they did zero. it's another way to beat donald trump into doing and saying other things and get offmessage and i don't think it's going to work. liz: peter

and so did warren buffett. so did george soros. and many of the other people that hillary is getting money from. now, i won't mention their names because they're rich. but they're not famous. we won't make them famous. you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes? >> i pay tax. i pay federal tax too. >> the cbs "overnight news" will be right back. if you're taking prescription medications, does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can cause cavities and bad breath. over 400 medications can cause a dry mouth. that's why there's biotene. biotene can provide soothing dry mouth relief. and it keeps your mouth refreshed too. remember while your medication is doing you good, a dry mouth isn't. biotene, for people who suffer from dry mouth symptoms. ? music ? a stimulating gel that takes her pleasure to new heights. k-y intense. today you can do everything in just one click, even keep your toilet clean and fresh. introducing lysol click gel. click it in to enjoy clean freshness with every flush. lysol. start healthing. ? yeah,

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you spoke with warren buffett.iz: then he spoke over at cnbc. >> he didn't say much, he basically confirmed my story he had a conversation with stumpf where he expresses displeasure at the scandal. and how he is handling it. he hasn't really said much about this because it is, he afraid it would hurt her. while he is not saying much about it, he is not saying much about it -- liz: he is raising so much money for her. >> you know, i think they both get cut a break from most of the media. i like buffett. you like buffett. hillary clinton i couldn't, i have no really animus towards her but this is big-time hypocrisy. both need to be called on the carpet by the media bit. we're trying anyway. liz: charlie. >> thank you. i won't curse. liz: keep it clean. >> holy moly. liz: by the way, wells fargo. not just a campaign topic. banks dealings and problems people are calling shady are causing serious real world harm. we have one man, one customer, who got extra wells fargo account that he never requested. hell hath no fury

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how can it be warren buffett's secretary pay as higher tax rate than warren buffett himself?ective. harris: doesn't want to talk about her own companies. there are tax people not all named swiftie, taxed with doing, finding low threshold for all of them. this issue donald trump has been missing opportunity to grow beyond his base. this is one of those issues you can really make compelling argument for how, okay, so i didn't pay taxes but here is what would happen if you changed the laws and how some of that money would have gone to different things that really need it like military and so forth. he can answer some of the criticism from the independent voters and at same time grow the tent a little bit bigger saying, look i know exactly where to go in there and mess with it. kennedy: simplify the tax code. overpaying taxes, no offense, bill, it is not virtuous you're not getting great return on your investment. sandra: harris was so disturbed by the lack of handshake to start the debate. harris: you and i, we hit elbows we hug, do whatever. they didn't even shake hands. sandra

closer look at the desert drive times coming up. >>> a battle is brewing this morning between warren buffett, firing back at donald trump for accusations the presidential nominee made he claimed buffett, who supports hillary clinton, used tax laws just like trump did. buffett is denying the accusations. >> and clinton will have extra support in florida today. former vice president al gore she is changing the topic to climate change, a topic said to be important to younger voters. >> because florida was hit so hard by hurricane matthew, a federal judge extended the voter registration deadline to 5:00 p.m. on wednesday. this comes after the florida democratic party sued governor rick scott for not extending the deadline because of all evacuations. scott opposed the extension, saying people had enough time. >>> happening today, australian lawmakers are expected to vote down a national referendum on same-sex marriage. right now there's not enough support to get the vote passed in the senate. the government wanted a public vote in february but it's looking to be too costly with a price tag of $12

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today, warren buffett put out a statement . for starters, warren buffett is still a billionaire.pplause] and you know, he put out a statement and it said this: i have to say, this is warren buffett talking, i pay federal income tax every year since 1944. when i was 13 years old. he says i have copies of all 72 of my returns and non-uses a carry forward which was the gimmick trump used to avoid paying taxes and i love this, his last paragraph area finally, i have been audited by the irs multiple times and am currently being audited i have no problems releasing my tax information while under audit . [applause] then he concludes by saying, neither would mister trump and he would have no legal problem so if you're going to call out warren buffett, you'd better be prepared for him telling some good old fashioned nebraska honest facts about what the truth really is. and the other thing about warren buffett is he agrees with me. rich people ought to be paying more federal income taxes to pay their fair share for our country. also last night, donald had no answer when confronted by the r

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that's because warren buffett chooses to categorize his income as investment. a different structure. you know, one thing you don't hear any of these guys talk about is a wealth tax. i mean, really, if you think about it, right, income and wealth are two very, very different things. and you -- if you really wanted to go after the buffetts of the world, you might think about going after wealth as opposed to income. ashley webster, it always perplexes me that buffett likes to go on ability how his secretary pays more -- >> i know. trish: he could certainly change that if he wanted to. >> he could at any time. why don't you write a nice big, fat check be you're feeling so guilty. i always felt -- okay, don't get me started. you're absolutely right, he could always change it if he wanted to. and the fact, look, there are many billionaires. he used exactly the same tactic as donald trump. in fact, anybody. it's not against the law. of course you can do it. trish: right. maybe the answer is we just need to change the laws -- >> yeah, okay. trish: -- simplify everythin

>> warren buffett's number. 40%. i'm happy to give 40% of my income to the government.nk that sounds like a reasonable number to me. >> is that reasonable to you? >> okay, let me tell you -- >> you're deflecting. >> i'm going to answer. but after i was 70 years old, 70 to 88, 18 years, i have paid $675 million in taxes. okay. and that's it, that's a fact, i have paid that. but i haven't paid any taxes in the last three years. why? because i had losses in '08 and '09 and i'm still working off my losses. >> you want to fix america's problem? term limits. >> do what? >> term limits. >> yes. >> let me tell you why. you want to know the real disgrace about the taxes i pay. i get $4,000 a month from government. that is an absolute disgrace. >> you're talking about social security. >> i shouldn't get it. but the politicses haven't got the guts to say to me, you don't get it. you know why? because they want to get re-elected. if hillary thinks if she wins -- let's say she gets 52%. ask yourself if trump was as bad as you say he is, what's the message him getting 48%. >> what wa

warren buffett took a massive deduction. >> buffett supports hillary clinton.put out a takedown of trump's claim. i have paid federal income tax every year since 1944 when i was 13. though being a slow starter, i owed $7 in tax that year. i have copies of all 72 of my returns and none uses a carry forward. the carry forward is the $916 million that donald trump are carried forward. buffett says in 2015, his adjusted gross income was $11.6 million. he took $5.5 million in deductions. federal income tax bill was $1.9 million. 16% was his tax rate in 2015. the top bracket is 39.6%. buffett pays mostly capital gains tax. this is the buffett rule to force millionaires to pay a minimum of 30% of income taxes. >> 72 years. warren buffett saved his tax returns for 72 years? when he was a kid? >> i have my first tax return. >> what is wrong with you? >> i was 14. >> i have mine. >>> the chicago cubs one win away from advancing to the national league championship series. they blew their chance last night. they dropped a game to the dodgers. heroic performance by the dodg

i have not had one conversation with warren buffett. >> because warren buffett in 1991, probably did the best job on behalf of corporate america. do you remember what he said at that time? mr. stumpf: i have read a lot of his things. i figure it is something about, i would rather make less money and something about integrity, but go ahead and read it to me. i do not remember the testimony. >> i will paraphrase it. he said, he wanted every employee to be his or her own compliance officer, and he wanted every employee when they came to work to think about the actions they took on behalf of customers that they could read in their own home town newspaper written by critical journalist. he summarized, and i think you need to summarize this if you're going to be successful in this endeavor. he made this quote which i think people have quoted forced 25 years, lose money for the firm and i will be understanding. lose a shred of reputation for the firm, and i will be ruthless. mr. stumpf: that is what i was trying to refer to. i agree with that. >> well, that is where we are. i agree with my

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it is warren buffett. warren buffett is the billionaire investor, one of her biggest supporters.rd. that a lot of warren buffett. his name came up during the hearing i was at. you've heard very little about him on this issue. you would expect the secretary of state and may be hillary clinton to go and mention that warren buffett, her friend the big liberal that he is is a big shareholder of wells fargo and she's going right to the biggest shareholder in getting him to change the arbitration clause. but she didn't say that. i think there's a lot of liberal hypocrisy. yes there's some bad stuff going on right now. you could be hillary clinton used this issue as a political issue for class warfare or whatever. call it straight. your guy. warren buffett right now is raising money for hillary clinton. for while i know, after hillary clinton made those remarks, shares of wells fargo went down. he might've went back to my son. i don't know. we do have a call to see if he did that or what he stood with his position. neil: is that it's going to talk about this after the election? >> he to

david: warren buffett called you and said, by the way, i am going to give you most of my money. surprised? mr. gates: that was a complete surprise because warren is the best investor and has built this unbelievable company. i was learning so much from them, but his wealth was devoted to a foundation that his wife was in charge of, and so tragically she passed away and so then he had to think that his initial plan would make sense and much to my surprise, he decided that part of the wealth, a little over 80% would come to our foundation, so it was a huge honor, a huge responsibility and honor, a huge responsibility and an incredible thing because it let us reach our level of ambition. david: you started with warren be giving pledge. what is that about? mr. gates: warren was brainstorming with us about how philanthropists figure out how to do, how could they kind of help share with each other without giving up the diversity of what they did? he got us to do some dinners of people that were already doing amazing philanthropy and talk about how they built staff and kicked causes. no

david: when your mother first said, i would like to come and have dinner with me with warren buffett.id not seem that interested. why was that? mr. gates: warren, i thought that was somebody who bought and sold securities. that is not curing disease or a cool piece of software. the idea of looking at volume curves, it does not invent anything, so i thought my way of looking at the world, what i wanted to figure out in the way he looked at it, there would not be much intersection. that was why it was so shocking when i met him, he was the first person to really ask me about software and software pricing able towasn't ibm overwhelm microsoft and what was going to happen in terms of how software changed the world? he let me ask him about, why are you investing in certain industries and why are more banks profitable than others? he was a broad systems thinker, so it started a conversation that has been fun and enriching and in incredible friendship that was completely unexpected. david: he taught you how to play bridge. mr. gates: i already knew how to play bridge but our family had done

>> well, when we talked about warren buffett what we said is warren buffett was famous for making the comment that he is actually in a lower tax bracket than his secretary. well, there's a reason for that. it's because warren buffett isn't paying taxes based upon be ordinary income. all of warren buffett's income is being taxed as capital gains. now, that's a loophole that he's taking advantage of. and you could make an argument to say, well, listen, that's a huge tax loophole. he's one of the richest men in the country. why aren't we talking about that as really problem with the u.s. tax code? but we're not. we're talking about donald trump. he's a light thing rod for this stuff -- lightning rod for this stuff. neil: but you were stressing as offensive as some might find this at sort of a gut level, it's all perfectly legal. are there any special exemptions or allowances all the more for the real estate or casino industries that others don't enjoy or what? >> well, on this specific issue, neil, we're talking about net operating losses. and i want to expand on that nor a moment -- for

this is a stain on warren buffett because he's on the board. he knew about this. this was going on.s was happening since 2013, and for him to allow stumpf to blame this on employees, when stumpf's responsible, when the board knew what was going on, they knew and they were ripping off consumers for a long period of time. opening these bogus accounts, fake accounts, and allowing stumpf to say, well, yeah, i may have known about it. well, guess what? your paid big bucks to be accountable. you're paid money to do your job and not rip people off. you're taking this great brand. wells fargo was a great brand and you destroyed pieces of it. the trust, with the american public, with the world. it's not right. he should claw back, all this money should come back. liz: do you think he should give the money, it was $200 million and she claws back 41. do you think he should give back more? >> i'm not a shareholder of wells fargo, but, look, i think accountability includes consequences, and one of the consequences, if you fail to perform is that you should fail to collect the full reward for goo