you know and what's amazing is you're right that warren burger was a rock ribbed conservative though he was appointed by richard nixon and he was reflecting when he said that in one thousand nine hundred one what the consensus view was it's really a recent thing to have a change of this kind in what we think this provision means look the n.r.a. they backed scholarship they moved public opinion they backed politicians who ran for office they really reorganize themselves around the idea of the second amendment as being this individual gun right and they were very successful and people who don't like it should be thinking about how to organize and keep arguing and keep fighting over a long time just the way the n.r.a. did and interviewed leaders of the n.r.a. over the years over many years i've been interviewing people for fifty seven years and their biggest fear is i gather is they think that the country's going to come and take your guns away right right they're very worried about having their guns seized you know that people talk about black helicopters coming in and seizing guns and

called "miracle philadelphia" by chief justice moore and berger, retired at the -- chief justice warren burgerd at the time. -- youwhat is the joy said you love to learn. what is the joy for you, sitting there week in and week out? what is the take away for you? >> i do not know. i came out, and i had 5.5 hours, and i never stopped reading. you learn as much as you can learn about everything. that is how i got to know you. sometimes, you are interesting. [applause] tavis: he will be in l.a. all week long, two shows nightly. tip your waitresses. , nightly. now you made me lose my thought. [laughter] did you ever imagine in the early days that c-span really had a chance at making it? >> i did not have any expectation, and when we started the first year or so, and we were only on eight hours a day, five days a week. think, literally growing up like we did in the midwest, coming to washington and seeing i did thinklike, that people in the west would be interested in it enough to make it work. it, and we doe not have to show numbers, and it is hard. it is just hard. and if you had to show numbers,