warren. he's the executive director of the center for constitutional rights. mieke, i wanted to listen first of all to something that general kelly said about jared kushner's attempt to set up a secure form of communication with the russians and russian governments from the russian embassy in washington during the transition. let's listen to what the general said about that on "meet the press." >> it was before the government was in place, during the transition. i think anytime you can open lines of communication with anyone, whether they're good friends or not so good friends, is a smart thing to do. >> mieke, it seemed he was the only person who had any pentagon experience who thought that was not a terrible, disastrous idea. >> i think that's right. remember, general kelly also served in the obama administration, which was for opening up lines of communication with countries that were adversaries. however, it's really the method that jared kushner was suggesting that was really problematic. he didn't say anything about that. that method really looked like jared kushner was trying to set up some kind of channel to get around u.