welcome back greg mcdonald and warren meyers from dma securities to our discussion. okay. arren, shutdown didn't seem to really affect the stock market this week. will that condition continue? >> i think the only way it will is if this thing drags on and on and goes past the debt ceiling. >> i give you four weeks, what does that mean? >> i think it will be a little bit of a negative repercussion. but at the end of the day, i don't think it's going to have a major impact at all. >> the economic impact is really small, no matter how you slice the pie. but i know you write about this. you bring wry about this every day. i get these amazing details from you. do you do that alone or do you have a staff? anyway. if the shutdown goes four weeks, i'm just using four, it's got to go two more weeks. but if it goes four more weeks, does it matter? >> i think it does in the sense that the first week is about an eighth of gdp. the second week is maybe 50 bips. but it's exponential. the fourth week -- >> you believe that stuff? >> i really believe. >> how can you believe that? >> i talke