askedhe fat they said we have no farmers we have reefrjz they grow beef and cattle they didn't count warren weber as a farmer in restaurants cycle he was one of the most important femurs we were starting from a very - and the first meeting i went to with the land trust the same people said we zoo don't have farms we have dairies they served powered mingle with the coffee this was where we started even though so much had gone before your story we look successful because we're at the ferry building, you know, (laughter) but it took us a look at to get to the point we are that actually cash positive probably about 9 years >> no 6. >> okay 6. and and then the food building has been a huge help for all farmers. our cheese chief you have to taste that you've never harder of st. but maybe holbert farms by now there are there was a lot of the small produced heese a that's toil one thing experience for us. when we started sue started a marketing cop company from the region which was excuse me. a >> i said that. >> that's it. >> okay. then when we started making fresh cheese we made cottage cheese and crip