warshell. >> there are many things that concern me in this case. that there was initially an illegal conversion is troubling. that three families were exposed to, or three households were exposed to a dangerous situation and you know, we at this point don't know if the tenants received all of the support that they should have following it. that's not necessarily an issue we will cover today, but it's a concern. some of the comments that these proceedings have gone on a bit longer because the property owner is trying to do things on his own and he's not as experienced as he might be with doing these sorts of projects. and so far just a minor over-the-counter permit has been issued. all give me great concern. i share the question that my colleague commissioner walker raised about going back to a single-family versus maintaining the housing of three units. once it had been established, even though illegally. so there are just so many things in this that i find very troubling. that, you know, i see no reason to do anything but uphold the department and

sorry commissioner warshell, just a moment. i apologize for the delays.e're going to vote to accept the candidates. are all in favor of accepting the candidates. >> aye. >> any opposed? okay. go ahead. >> repeat after me. i'm michael robins, do somely swear and confirm that i will support the constitution of the united states and the state of california. against all enemies, foreign and domestic. that i will bare true faith -- and allegiance to the constitution to the united states and state of california. i take this obligation freely without any mental evaluation. >> i will well and faithfully discharge the duties i'm about to enter. >> i will vow and faithfully -- >> during such time as i hold the office as a member of board of examiners, property owner licensed architect, civil or structural engineering seat of the city of san francisco. great. >> yes. you are now sworn in. great. thank you. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> if you want to say a few words you're more than welcome. >> sure. i'm a licensed architect, i have worked in the ci

vice president, commissioner lee, commissioner mccarthy, commissioner walker, commissioner warshell, commissioner clinch is excused. will all parties giving testimony today please rise and raise your right hand? do you swear the testimony you are about to give is the truth to the best of your knowledge? thank you. item c, approval of minutes. discussion or possible action to adopt the meetings for the meeting held october 18, 2017. is there a motion to approve the minutes? >> move to approve. >> a second? >> second. >> there's a motion and second. any public comment on the minutes? are all commissioners in favor? >> aye. >> minutes are approved. next item is item d continued appeals order of abatement, 6836, 221 11th street. don ramon real estate llc. leonila ramirez, reverse order of abatement. just for the record, wanted to let everyone know the department will present its case first. the department has seven minutes, the apelant has seven minutes and then public comment for three minutes and each side has three minutes for rebuttal. department, come forward. at this time we'll jus

vice president, commissioner lee, commissioner mccarthy, commissioner walker, commissioner warshell,ommissioner clinch is excused. will all parties giving testimony today please