as a matter of fact, after that pronouncement by donald trump that the city was like a warzone , one of the city developers at the present time said this city has too low an opinion of itself. it needs to have an upbeat, progressive attitude about itself. because the city will drive or not depending what is self image is, not just the image of people who live outside the city. anytime people say something about the city, the city listen very closely, i think. both as politicians and its residents. the cause it is controversial. it has changed a good deal since the 1950s and 60s. there's always been the possibility for optimism and ambition, shall we say. and i think now it's pretty good. i think it was higher during the reagan administration because he was such a proponent of the city and knew the city very well. the current mayor who certainly has a sense of reform and an eager developer of the city, we will see with some of that. i think a lot of the future of the city will depend on how it handles race relations within the city. what all the races do in the city who work together

i have never seen so many guns in civilian hands outside ofa warzone, many guns in civilian hands outsidey chicago is. you have covered a lot of war zones. this would only lead to escalation. the question is, what is the solution, do you think? very good question. a lot of those issues have been raised by president trump in terms of education, housing and jobs. i met a lot of people doing two or threejobs, just jobs. i met a lot of people doing two or three jobs, just to make ends meet. the reason there are so many drugs, guns and violence, those three things feed off each other. lack ofjobs, so people turn to other ways of making money. lack ofjobs, so people turn to other ways of making moneylj lack ofjobs, so people turn to other ways of making money. i was watching the film today, and one of the people you interviewed said the problem got worse when they took the gang leaders out of the picture? yes, that is something i heard repeatedly. and it ties into what katty had to say, how do you deal with this? if you go after the gang leaders and the gangs, it leads to this fracturing, you l

and of course, they are used to handling weapons and used to dealing with explosives, have been ina warzone to their own countries to cause terror, but we have got people who are self radicalising within communities and those are very difficult to spot and then we've also got what i call the mad, bad and sad in society who are popping up and sad in society who are popping up out of nowhere with probably very little knowledge of islam, and choosing to go out in a blaze of glory. so it is very difficult for the security services right across europe, right across the west to actually deal with these and don't forget this is notjust a european problem this. is across the world. jerry smith, how concerned should we be here from a wide every security prospective about specifically what happened in turkey? well, i think we have seen similar attacks to what occurred in turkey in other parts of western europe. i think the uk has some slight differences obviously being an island and having some particularly gun laws are the sort of things and also we have a proty integrated security set—up. not only