medicine so continuing our conversation on that you are joined by dr john dombrowski of the washington pain center of the us co-host and investigative journalist bunce one gentlemen let's continue the conversation dr dombrowski let's start with you how big of a change is this for the medical industry and do you believe this will actually become a permanent change to the medical landscape. this is monumental i can't tell you how many patients have been doing this now in my office since the code of crisis has come up and actually look at this why did we do this before and i really find this one of the things that we're not going to go back to is well you need to come in for that visit to times people really do and boy just a convenience as you are you know saying which is your introduction. i do see that this could be because of the opioids your patient confidentiality but one poorly patients and physicians don't look at each other and grin we can do this by video but there are a lot of nonverbal cues we get in each and every school exam and sometimes you will continue to lie if i see you body langu

we thought coronavirus was centered in king county in washington state and we closed long before washington state closed. what else has governor newsom done to minimize the pain is very interesting because there's no road map here. you're really going by what you think is right. he has a blue ribbon commission of people in the state to guide him on further moves to deal with this issue. he asked for 37,000 people to volunteer to help on the front lines. 72,000 retired health personnel applied and are on the front lines relieving these people. he's found money to help those who are undocumented immigrants who nonetheless have health care issues related to covid-19. $125 million the governor has put towards that. president trump , you can imagine, is rolling his eyes over that one. these have coming out of gavin newsom's thinking cap, so to speak and has moved this in ways people can't imagine to try to deal with this thing. if you look at the data, what the death rate is, we are very, very low. it's tragic, of course. one death is tragic. it's very low compared to other states. you have to believe this is due to his very proactive attitude. >> and wrapping up,