internal use at the nsa, kind of a training powerpoint slide show, and that was leaked to the "washington postto "the guardian" by a career intelligence officer. according to "the post" firsthand experience with these systems and horror at their capabilities is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide powerpoint slides about prism and supporting materials to the "washington post." in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. the source even gave "the post" a quote explaining his motivation for the leak. quote, they quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type them. >>> the "guardian" scoop that broke last night is thus far more opaque in terms of that story came from. what leaked in the "guardian" story last night is a secret court ruling that directs verizon to hand over data about all of the phone calls on its system to the nsa. glen greenwald's piece for the "guardian" said the secret court ruling had been obtained but not how or from whom. the "new york times" says it was marked top secret/si/no foreign, which would make it, quote, mock the mo

on the computer spying, the story breaking tonight, "the guardian" and the "washington post" reporting the national security agency and fbi are tapping directly into the central servers of nine different u.s. internet companies. big big names in american computing, google and yahoo! and microsoft, who was apparently first in, in the program. facebook and aol, skype and youtube and apple and something called paltalc. i was not previouslyi familiar with it. in this middle east and carries a lot of internet traffic in syria and particularly vital as communications medium during the arab spring. of the companies named in these nsa documents published by "the post and "the guardian," five of the big names issued statements denying they participate in this program saying they do not provide the government direct access or some sort of secret back door to their servers. nevertheless, the nsa says they're in. both papers were apparently given access to what seems to be the same document or similar document. it appears to be a power point slide show used to train intelligence operatives of capa

apsome one -- apple was named in the washington post story. what it said were power point slides from inside the nsa detailing in, those slides included the name of apple as well. now the company is saying it's never heard of this program. so we will have to get more detailed here on what exactly is going on, loorry, a very dramatic day here in terms of national security and intelligence gatherings on americans. >> this will be a wild story with all the names you listed. apple will deny it, whatever,ee mon -- eamon, with respect to the provider, is the insinuation by the washington post or the description by the washington post, i have not seen the copy, are they saying that the government goes right into the e-mails, picks up the e-mails or just processes the addresss of the e-mails and where they're going? >> as described by the washington post, they're saying this is a program where nsa analysts in for the mead out here in the washington, d.c. area tap into the servers of the these companies and actually read some of the details. the washin

t"the washington post" and guardian reporting the u.s. government is tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading internet companies including microsoft, yahoo, google, facebook, aol, skype, youtube and apple. tom foreman is here taking a closer look. what's the latest? >> this information is really stunning, wolf. look at this one quote from the end of this article from "the washington post." these are actually the slides here. but look at this quote. the reason they say they have the slides from a power point presentation done for the intelligence community, what was said in here is that firsthand experience with the systems and

internet companies, that is according to "the washington post." some of the companies that are a part of this program include microsoft, yahoo, google, youtube and apple. so some very big technology companies. there are some slides that have been obtained by "the washington post" and "the guardian" that were part of a presentation. we can put them up on screen, i believe. they will show you a little bit of what this program entailed. these slides came from a presentation that apparently was unveiled to people who were involved in this program out in the silicon valley. the purpose of slides is to demonstrate that much of this information is so critical that it is used in the president's daily intelligence briefings over at the white house so this is a brand new controversy for the white house involving surveillance of ordinary americans and it comes on the heels of a separate controversy about the surveillance of phone records that was very much a hot topic on capitol hill earlier today. >> reporter: by all appearances it's a top secret program th

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the washington post has been an activist or whether it should be you know. should be prosecuted on this of course was quite as many as going to be one doesn't have quite the relationship with edward snowden that going greenwald does but still i mean you know the new york times i believe it was their executive editor jill abramson was was quoted i believe by her public elders that's been somewhat envious of the story that other outlets have had every news organization in the country wanted this story so i mean the notion that we should be prosecuting journalists over this is just insane i mean that's that's that's tyranny we just have three seconds left but should journalists be afraid of the obama administration. well i think there's documentary evidence to that effect you should certainly be wary of the a bonus tradition i mean look what they did with the. teams in both cases they secretly . we don't like that no one should i mean no one should have the emails or the phone calls looked at by the government. in any way. without notice erik wemple of media cr

obviously concerned a number of different people as the front page of the washington post today when apparently and this a and had him disclosing telephone records international am with him as you all of us citizens i predict that that very troubling for democracy and i think that we have to be very very cautious about how we proceed and i think this administrator and i it's ironic that it's this and i like your age and that's taking these type but thank you for saying this go ahead jump in please do but i'd like to i'd like to bring a couple of points i'm going to give you a couple examples one john kerry he's spending twenty four months in jail today because he revealed that he witnessed torture and he was trying to get the torture in front of a judge well the torture meanwhile writes a book that's a bestseller on the new york times book list this is wrong when. torture gets millions of dollars and the guy who reveals the torture goes to jail this is the same case now we were talking about bradley manning before the break where you were saying you know he admitted to some crimes ag

"the washington post" also reported that three days before the daughter's wedding, the first lady ofrginia, maureen mcdonnell, she flew down to florida. nothing much else going on, my daughter is getting married in three days, what can i do, florida? she flew to florida for a seminar where she toted the wonders of this tobacco-based supplement thing made by the guy paying for her daughter's wedding reception three days later. that was all in 2011. "the washington post" also reported that three days before the daughter's wedding, the first lady of virginia, maureen mcdonnell, she flew down to florida. nothing much else going on, my daughter is getting married in three days, what can i do, florida? she flew to florida for a seminar where she toted the wonders of this tobacco-based supplement thing made by the guy paying for her daughter's wedding reception three days later. when it came time to launch the supplement, they hosted the launch at the governor's mansion. we have learned all of that about virginia's first family in just the last few months, and already it would be bizarre an

panel, including barton gellman, who broke the story of those national security leaks in the "washington post." the managing editor of "time" magazine, rick stengel. "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan. and david corn of "mother jones." it's all ahead because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning, again. and we begin this morning with the white house chief of staff, denis mcdonough. mr. mcdun athank you so much. happy father's day's to you, you're a father of... >> three. thanks very much, bob. it's the best job i'll ever have, as the president said today. happy father's day to you as well. >> schieffer: thank you very much. let's start with the news and that is the national security agency disclosures about whether americans' privacy has been invaded. this morning in the "washington post," barton gellman, who will be along later this morning on this broadcast, has a big front-page story about government officials, and he just underlines that this is something that's been go

richard cohen in the "washington post" did the same thing. it's the tactic of the establishment to demean the psyche and personality as a way of discrediting their revelations to the public and distracting attention away from it and that's what you're seeing and that's what i think is illegitimate. >> you have also come under attack for your reporting in the last ten days and since we had you on last week, for example, in london's telegraph, a columnist writes this. he says maybe it's the things that suggest he's a little odd, like self searching his own name so he can pounce on people criticizing him. you can be a great activist or a great journalist, but not both. i think mr. greenwald should pick before something goes wrong. what do you make of that argument between your blurring the lines of having a strong point of view and being a reporter. >> i think there's this mythology in journalism that has subsisted too long and has degraded how journalism is perceived which is in order to be a, quote unquote, real journalist you have to hide you

let me begin with the front page of "the washington post closed " this morning -- and "the washington times" with the list of 14 senators that voted with democrats -- the four republicans of that so- called "gain of eight" voting for the legislation yesterday. what you think about what happens next? the house is uncertain. we will show you what house speaker john they had to say yes today before that vote took place. back to you "the washington post tose " this morning -- back "the washington post closed " this morning -- next to this article in "the washington post" -- here are some actions the house may take -- michael in new york, republican, you are up first. caller: thank you. i think everyone, irrespective of their political beliefs, i think he will find the majority of americans are in support of many of the broad aspects of this bill that the senate passed it today. passed yesterday. the major challenge at the house of representatives is the expense of good feedback of ridiculous things that have been added into this bill. if you were to vote on the bill as is, approval of the

has done the same thing fewer people if any have question whether the washington post has been an activist or whether it should be you know. should be prosecuted on this of course was imposed has not quite as many exclusive is going green one doesn't have quite a relationship with edward snowden that glenn greenwald does but still i mean you know the new york times i believe it was their executive editor jill abramson's was quoted i believe by her public editors as being somewhat envious of the story that other outlets of had every news organization in the country wanted this story so i mean the notion that we should be prosecuting journalists over this is just insane i mean that's that's that's tyranny we just have thirty seconds left but should journalists be afraid of the obama administration. well i think there's documentary evidence to that effect they should certainly be wary of the obama administration i mean look what they did with the a.p. and with james rosen and fastens in both cases they secretly eavesdrop. droolers. we don't like no one should i mean no one should

about booz allen -- that all in "the washington post closed " if you are interested. -- washington post" if you are interested. gary in richmond, virginia, what you think about this? what should be the congressional response? caller: i think it should go ahead and investigate it. so much as the congressional response there should be a larger citizen response. the thing about privacy is it is defined in this country by when a person has reasonable expectation. , "i you see things like assumed they were already doing this kind of thing," you realize that reasonable expectation is going to be judged by people's reaction to it. i do not think that people that signed up for facebook, horizon, horizonverizon, -- verizon, i do not think they understood -- is thisquestion of illegal? congress has a responsibility toside of their own job protect the country and protect its citizens. in that regard i think they failed the citizens in protecting their privacy. about thetalked public and how they respond to this. "the new york times" this --ning what do you think? this is the same problem in congre

now "the washington post" is responding.hey said -- no one cares about white christians. america, please, wake up. that's the most racist, bigoted statement i have ever heard. >> what sense do you have about his success? >> he's a huge success stofrry. a huge success at fox news. since he left fox news, he might not be on the -- on the tip of everybody's tongue anymore but he's doing quite well. he has a lot of subscribers, tells a lot of ads. he's a multimillionaire. he's a great example of an interesting dynamic of quote/unquote in the media where they're less beholden to the news organizations than they previously were which is that you used to -- what mattered used to be calling up and saying i'm patrick atwood with the new york times. if you had the second part, "the new york times" part, no one wanted to listen to you, you can say i'm patrick abbott if it means something to you. mike allen writes "the morning playbook," he's a great reporter. he could leave politico tomorrow, go somewhere else, and it wouldn't change h

the "washington post" is reporting that the n.s.a. and the f.b.i. have were understand into the servers of major technical companies including yahoo, microsoft, google, facebook, skype, youtube, and apple. this has been going on for years. the "washington post" says the government is monitoring audio, video, photographs and documents and agents can wax a person's ideas form as that person types. stay with us and katie marzullo will have much more next half hour. >> if you shop at raley's or nob hill, check your debit and credit cart statements for unusual charges after a cyber attack on the computers. abc7 news reporter amy hollyfield is in newark. >> for raley's customers, you may have been victim of a sigh before attack. the concern is your personal financial information could be in the wrong hands. raley's has launch an internal investigation and they have not found any victims so far. their customers need to look at the bank statement. >> we do know we were the target but we do not know if it was successful. we want people to be aware. >> i am m

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"the washington post" investigator robert o'hareo author of the book no place to hide. assume i'm an idiot which most people do including members of my family. lay it out for us. who is doing what and where? >> the program is called prism and it's a great code name. it's vivid. it involves something that why have known has been going on for years now which is a partnership between the government and private sector data collectors. in this case we are talking about microsoft, america online, apple and others. essentially, it amounts to the nasa having what appears to be direct ago access to those servers in an effort to find four nationals involved in nefarious activities. >> basically the goal is, you know, terrorists calling someone in america or visa versa and being able to flag that. you can't -- can do you that any other way without this sort of mass data collection? >> well, there is a lot of different ways you can do data collection. they are saying that this isn't mass data collection but, of course, there is no way to know. and that's probably the key problem he

guardian and the washington post. so snowden says he has reasons of conscious for leaking those secrets. >> you can see that it is an impact and it will be an important leak. there are more than 1,000 people holding top secret clearance and many do not have the option to disclose anything they choose because they think it is important information that the government should release to the public. i think to decide on his own that he's going to commit a felony and he is willing to do it i think is a dangerous philosophy to follow and it could be devastating to national security. >> i want to read this and then go to lisa. >> privy to this intelligence as member of the intelligence committee. i think we're going to be getting more. the story has not broken down along party lines. some people see this man as a hero. >> you bring up a very good point. lisa, she talked about being a hero. i don't see myself as a hero. i don't want to live in a world where there is no privacy. he says i understand this he will be made to suf

bernheight, y beth and cbs news nia malikia henderson of "the washington post." let's start by talking about one of the stories we didn't get to on the broadcasts a $25 billion, $26 billion mortgage fraud ettlement that the white house announcered yesterday. whether that's a contributing factor and they'll look at that to hey go forward and try fix this problem. senator snow is sticking around to answer your questions for the web extra. >> hello. affairs chief global correspondent and i'm joined by olympia snowe. thank you for joining us this morning. because we believe all politics is social at this week, we're to ask senator snow some questions submitted on facebook. comes from estion carolyn howell nugent -- "are you left the nce senate and what can we do to make sure our representatives to what we expect them to do while in office". >> the first part from pbs, the from abc. why do those organizations feel the need to extend the programs to the web? >> a couple of reasons, one, is experimenting. can we track eyeballs, can we make money off of it. it's the thou

tonight a look at the changes in president obama's foreign policy team, with david ignatius of the washington post and les gelb of the daily beast, former president of the council on foreign relations. >> this ms. rice is very close personally to the president. it is almost like his kid sister was being appointed national security advisor, i almost think when i see her, he is so voluble, so direct and frank that she, that he is saying the things that barack obama would say if he was less reticent man, if he was more open and more of an extrovert, so i think it is going to be useful to have somebody who really knows the president's mind and can speak for him, both in the. >> the interpreter: agency process and to the extent other world leaders, i still think susan rice is more of a policy intellectual than tom don lon was. >> we continue with. >> who considers the president's

you or "the washington post"? i'm not trusting "the washington post." >> you know it's funny "the washington post" called their response a fact check but their number one argument is they said well obama care only applies to companies with over 50 employees, so it's a miniscule percentage of all the companies so it doesn't matter. i got to admit, that's pretty ridiculous if their argument is that obama care doesn't impact the economy. two-thirds of all people working are working for companies with more than 50 employees. i would be very curious if the columnist who wrote that who works for "the washington post" how he would feel if they decided to fire him and hire somebody here illegally because it's $5,000 more expensive to hire someone to write that column. >> maybe this is too simple for washington. i've not gotten a good answer to the question does the united states of america have the right to sovereign borders? why do anyone be against doing that first? >> and, of course, we do. every other nation on earth

. >> "washington post" has uncovered another massive u.s. spying program, this will one capable of tracking virtually anything an individual does on the internet. >> the phone surveillance story wasn't broken by an american news organization, it was london's guardian that got the scoop. msnbc's president says his network doesn't excel at covering breaking news. does that explain its recent dive in the ratings? the challenge of covering politics in a noncampaign year. plus now that netflix has put out an entire season of arrested development -- how do critics handle this new phenomenon ever gorging on 13 episodes at once, especially when they can spoil the fun for viewers. i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable sources". >>> it's not surprising on one level that glenn greenwald broke the story of the administration's sweeping cell phone surveillance. he's a lawyer, commentator and activist who has been outspoken on what he view as national security abuses during the bush and obama administrations. he's now a columnist for the guardian and joi

there is a breaking story this hour from the washington post that extends this story.hat the post as saying this afternoon is that the nsa and the fbi are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading internet companies, extracting audio, video, photos, and e-mails. it is a program that has been known as present. is not been made public, and i want to ask you this question because this would not be so upsetting, except that the government does not tell us about this. the government on the one hand comes out and says, the war on terror is really over. the war on terror, we won it. the same time they're doing this >> we have some beautiful citizen children of this nation that are facing harm's way. we cannot expose the methods and procedures of their apparatus, but we must get to the methods and procedures of those that we do in cities conduct on u.s. soil with our communications. gerri: response to that. people in harm's way depending on this kind of research, this kind of information, this kind of data it to back up their eeforts in the field. >> collecting

from washington, jonathan capehart of the "washington post," of course.ant to start, gentlemen with a david brooks column from this morning's "new york times." mr. brooks suggests that the reason edward snowden leaked this information is because of his youth. brooks writes "though thoughtful, morally engaged and deeply committed to misbelieves, he appears to be a product of one of the more unfortunate trends of the age, the atomization of society, the loosening of skoeshl boonds, growing share of young men in their 20s who are living technological existences in the fuzzy land between their childhood institutions and adult family commitments." tim, what's your response to that? >> sort of typical david brooks hooey. he's sort of boomer paranoia about this coming generation. i think what snowden is a throw back to something we saw in the cold war. he's a dissident. >> the cold war, tim? i thought mr. brooks was saying that all sensible behavior occurred until about, well, i don't know when you were born but at some point relatively recently and now this gen

he came to two newspapers, "the guardian" and "washington post" and said, i want you to be extremely careful about what it is that you publish and what it is that you don't publish. only publish what americans should know, but don't harm national security. we have withheld the majority of things that he gave us, pursuant

"the washington post" also reported that three days before the daughter's wedding, the first lady ofmaureen mcdonnell, she flew down to flori florida. nothing much else going on, my daughter is getting married in three days, what can i do, florida? she flew to florida for a seminar where she toted the wonders of this tobacco-based supplement thing made by the guy paying for her daughter's wedding reception three days later. when it came time to launch the supplement, they hosted the launch at the governor's mansion. we have learned all of that about virginia's first family in just the last few months, and already it would be bizarre and scandalous enough, even before you got to the ferrari, but wait, there's more. as of today, we now know how the governor's top staff have been feeling about this mess as it has unfolded in real time. "the washington post" today publishing a series of bomb shell e-mails from the governor's staff, specifically about the launch party for the campaign donor's wonder product. the launch party for the pill that inexplicably held at the governor's residence.

much of what we know about him comes from his own interviews with two newspapers, the "washington post" and "the guardian" newspaper of great britain. the u.s. army confirms he enlisted in 2004 and the military discharged if four months later. snowden told the guardian that is after he broke both of his legs in training. he said he got jobs at the cia and national security agency, putting his computer skills to work, despite have nothing high school diploma and failing to complete coursework as a maryland community college. more recently he said he work at an nsa office in hawai'i for a defense contractor, booz allen hamilton, but he told the "washington post" he felt compelled to reveal the surveillance he discovered the nsa, knowing this could upset his, quote, very comfortable life. a life who included a supportive family, and his 200,000 daz year salary and the home he shared with his girlfriend in hawai'i. >> you can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and be completely free from risk because they're such powerful adversaries. no one can meaningf

and the costs associated with it are standard, as the bush adviser said in that "washington post" story you cited. >> robert costa you heard mr. burton on that. what's your reaction? >> bill burton brings up texas. but there's a big difference between texas and a continent,

"the washington post" and guardian reporting the u.s. government is tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading internet companies including microsoft, yahoo, google, facebook, aol, skype, youtube and apple. tom foreman is here taking a closer look. what's the latest? presentation done for the intelligence community, what was said in here is that firsthand experience with the systems and horror at their capabilities is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide power point slides about prism and supporting the materials to "the washington post" in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. they quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type. the officer said. now let's look at the slides here, wolf, that were from the presentation. they were surprising. this is the overview slides. you notice at the bottom the date there, april 2013. very recent. now look at what the thing is all about. if you look at the next slide. they're talking in here about how communications flow from place t

extracting audio, video, photographs, and e-mail to track a person's movements and contacts the washington posteports. the technology companies participating knowingly including microsoft, yahoo, google, facebook, pal talk, aol, skype, youtube, and apple. meanwhile, washington today a buzz regarding a separately and known nsa effort to mine data from more than a hundred million verizon wireless customers, and the president today tried to change the subject from the number of scandals engulfing his administration changing both his location and his message. president obama hoped he can pivot the media narrative from the scandals that threaten his legacy. the president talking jobs. in north carolina today, before he heads to california for two more private ritzy fundraisers. while the president avoided the scandals or tried to without success, capitol hill was not. two more hearings today, one involving attorney general eric holder, the other investigating the blatant misuse of taxpayer dollars by the internal revenue service. we begin with the attorney general. holder appearing before the senate

this is a line from the "washington post" a story i want to know. firsthand experience in these systems and horror at their capabilities is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide power point slides about prison to the "washington post" in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. i they quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type, the officer said. spencer, i don't want you to give up sources here but i'm trying to get my head around the timing of these two stories back to back one after the other as some kind of rebellion by the intelligence community. >> chris, i'm not going to go there. >> that's absolutely fair. are we going to see reaction on the hill, liza, to this -- to this or are we going to see a collective shrug like we saw today? >> we saw a range of reactions, yes, you might describe it as a collective shrug. you saw people full throating defending what's going on. senator graham doing that and senator chambliss and senator merkley saying this is a real problem and rand paul saying this

obviously concern a number of different people as the front page of the washington post today when apparently and the say is unhappy and disclosing telephone records international i am with you i mean as you all of us said this and i predict that that's very troubling for democracy and i think that we have to be very very cautious about how we proceed and i think this administrator and i it's ironic that i like your age and that's taking these type of but thank you for saying this go ahead jump in please do but i'd like to i'd like to bring up a couple of points of you a couple examples one john kerry he's spending twenty four months in jail today because he revealed that he witnessed torture and he was trying to get the torture in front of a judge well the torture meanwhile writes a book that's a bestseller on the new york times book list this is wrong when. torture gets millions of dollars and the guy who reveals the torture goes to jail this is the same case now we were talking about bradley manning before the break where you were saying you know he admitted to some crimes again yes he adm

joining me on the phone is the "washington post" reporter david nakamura. thanks for joining us. >> hi, glad to be here. >> let's start with edward snowden, the man behind the nsa leaks. he's one of thousands with access to sensitive information, so is that the real security issue here? >> absolutely. i think government officials are really concerned about this because he was out in hawaii, as we know. he was not a super high-level employee. he had only been at the booz allen hamilton, the contractor, for a few months, so investigators are trying to investigate why he had access to this information of such security nature and how many others might, and he has other claims out there that he has actually more information, and some of that may come out in the future. so, that's one of the critical questions that remains unanswered. >> now, later today, president obama will be speaking on immigration and the gang of eight's legislation is before the senate. is this a done deal in the senate and how's it looking in the house? >> it's not a completely done deal.

he's only been speaking to the "guardian" newspaper and to "the washington post."ught authorities off guard. but you have to remember u.s. authorities have not yet issued an arrest warrant, so without that, hong kong authorities are under no obligation to find this man. he can move around hong kong. he can potentially leave hong kong if he wants to. he obviously made reference about iceland, seeking asylum in iceland because of the similar ideals, but for him to do that, he can't fly directly there, so he would have to go through another country and there is the potential that interpol could pick him up. >> i know u.s. authorities would like to get their hands on him as soon as possible. we'll see what happens. anna coren in hong kong for us. thank you. >>> up next, edward snowden spilled secrets to only two journalists. one of them is standing by to join us with insight into snowden's motives, whether he's believable. stand by for the interview. >>> later, how did snowden get top secret access to the nsa's most sensitive programs? an insider takes us through the p

the "washington post" was able to publish it because these unnamed officials leaked it to the "washingtoneda was not noticing that their bomb making instructions online were sabotaged, it seems important that officials leaked that fact to a newspaper because now al qaeda knows, right? we do not know why these officials leaked this information because we do not know who they are. they are unnamed. we can't acquire as to their motivations, can't report about their motivations. it seems right now like every big news story about national security at least in the last couple weeks has been based on leaked information. the bombshell about nsa spying was originally an anonymous leak. the leaker decided to reveal himself. we know who he was and his explanations for why he did it. there's also stories like this one in today's "washington post" which is supposed to be about the shocking elaborateness of president obama's upcoming travel plans to africa. we do not know who leaked this travel and security document about the president's forthcoming trip but we do know why it was leaked. somebody wante