there are new people that have come on the scene, some of them have been people who have a washington post lineage, i'm thinking principally of implicit co, the founders were people that had come from the post, they had come to the ownership of the post at the time and said we would like to do this under the post umbrella, they were told maybe not, so how much has the arrival of folks like politico on the scene made your job different, maybe it's improved it -- >> i do like competition. i think it makes us better. i'm in favor of competition. so, but the fact is i wasn't there -- >> at the time. >> at the time, so i'm a newcometor the post, but the fact is if you actually look at what people read in washington, they read the washington post, the percentage of the people who read politico is actually relatively small, if you look in the federal government at the number of people who read us versus the -- read politico, we overwhelm them, so we have a bigger preference in covering government and more people are reading us. they're relatively small site by comparison with us, they have something like