it was similar to the continuing tragedy in washington. if anyone understands they do. >> it's going to take years for those people to recover mentally what happens. they get depressed. >> that from one of the few people in a ruined neighborhood that did not lose his house. the effort in dealing with the federal government was almost as stressful as the slide itself >> when i hear about any kind of disaster or fema is on the way i go god help you. >> in times of trauma it would appear he helps those who help themselves. in santa cruz county wayne freedman abc7 news >> some volunteers are headed to washington to help people who lost everything. >> we a group of volunteers called disaster mental health. i think it's going to be needed in this situation. so if they need the resource we'll send them there. >> hundreds are headed to washington to do everything they can to find every missing american person. diane sawyer with a look ahead to tonight's wraft. thanks for joining us. >> so great to talk to you cheryl, and everyone in the bay area, we're going to have more in th

we need to do the work that the american people sent us to washington to do. now it gives me a privilege to introduce the chairman of the ways and means -- the ranking member of the ways and means committee, mr. levin. >> let me try to place this in context. as you know, the ways and means committee has had jurisdiction over this matter. from the beginning it was clear what the republicans were after. there was zero evidence of political motivation. we have had five hearings in ways and means. $14 million has been spent by irs. so with no evidence what is going on here, the political motivation is not that of anybody but the republicans. i remember the first hearing we had. the chairman said there was a culture of cover-up. there was zero evidence of this. what is happening here is the republicans are determined to keep this issue of the irs alive as part of their twin strategy attacking health care and essentially claiming without any foundation political motivation, trying to tie it to the white house. what happened yesterday -- and i saw, elijah, the tape on

to war, period. yes, sir. >> my questions question is about the whiskey rebellion. do you think that george washington was ever on any level content on taking troops to battle or do you think that he sort of went to western pennsylvania and donned his generals uniform for the spectacles? >> the answer is yes because he called up 13,500 troops within estimated 5000 rebels. >> my question was whether or not he himself was intent upon mounting a horse? >> he was too old and he couldn't get into his uniform. he had to have a new uniform made and he and alexander hamilton rode out to carlisle pennsylvania and a carriage and decided, washington decided and his colleagues decided he was too old to go into battle. it made him essentially commander of the armed forces and then general harry lee took command of the force that one out to western pennsylvania. washington turned back from carlisle and went back to philadelphia. the troops did go out there and by the time they got back there the rebel camp had broken up and they found about 20 drunks. it was rather disgraceful. they put the drunks in open cards and

and george washington was the first president to do so. unfortunately he said a trip for the many of his successors have often used recklessly. unlike those successes when washington went to a war in the west, thousands of american citizens lies were clearly at stake. in all, present washington as does what i call in my book seven pillars of presidential powers not provided by the constitution. he raced the first four pillars of our relatively easily. they would've powers over executive appointments, foreign affairs, government finances and defense and military affairs. raising the other three pillars almost cost washington his life. again i don't want to spoil my book for you, but of these three powers, one is the power to issue residential proclamations, or executive orders. the constitution says nothing about proclamations and doesn't give the president the right to issue any, for good reason. a presidential proclamation, or executive order, is a new law in the constitution doesn't give the president the power to write laws. that power b

to washington, i will know how to cut pork. >> mother, soldier, conservative. >> my parents taught us to live within our means. it is time to force washington to do the same. to cut wasteful spending, repeal obamacare and balance the budget. i am joan knee ernst and i approve this meetings because -- this message because washington is full of big spenders. let's make them squeal. >> that's amazing work. joni is one of five republicans hoping to win back the senate seat for the gop. the other four are -- who cares? meanwhile, you know who else is going after crosses? this puppy. >> be careful. >> that is very painful. not that i would know. i used to walk like that a lot when i was a child. >> and that puppy costumes cost me a lot. >> you have to find a really big kid. >> first time on the show and this is your first "red eye" question. this is your first campaign ad ever. this is kind of awesome. i think this could be something big. >> i don't have a scrotum and it made me feel uncomfortable. >> is that a swedish car? >> i love the political tactic scaring men out of their you know what to get them to vote for you. it could work. >> i think it could work. d

pressure is reallyla starting t mount on not only general motors but also regulators in washington to do something more about what'shi happened with regard to this gm recall crisis. the latest comes from a filing out of texas. an attorney down in texas has filed a motion with the u.s. district court asking the court to have general motors issue a recall ireport. he says the cars should not be driven because they could potentially hit a bump.y they say they can be driven as long as there's nothing weighing down the key. these cars could be thrown into thent troublesome position if t car hits a bump. and that according to the attorney is what is the potential problem with people still driving these cars.pr >> if they're telling their customers, if you hit a bump in the i road, this could happen, even if you follow the instruction on the keychain, you know, there's not anyone i know that would put a family member in it at all. a >> meanwhile in washington, a senate bill has been introduced that i would make it necessary r early were with aing reports that come from automakers from the natio

to washington, i'll know how to cut pork. >> mother, soldier, conservative. >> my parents taught us to live within our means. it's time to force washington to do the same. to cut wasteful spending, repeal obamacare, and balance the budget. i'm joanie ernst, and i approve this message, because washington is full of big spenders. let's make them squeal. >> that is amazing. joni is one of five republicans hoping to win back the iowa gop seat. the other four are -- who cares? who else is going after crotches? this puppy. >> be careful. that is very painful. not that i would know. i used to walk like that a lot when i was a child. okay, dagan, first time on the show, this is your first "red eye" question. so i don't want you to get stressed out. this is your first campaign ad ever. this is awesome. i think this could be something big. >> i don't know. i don't have a scrotum and it made me uncomfortable. i love the political tactic of scaring you know what out of men to get them to vote for you. it could work. >> jessie, does it excite you to know that she might make other men as incomplete as you are? >> it does. it's upsetting. what she said, to make them sq

to washington i'll know how to cut pork. >> my parents taught us to live within our means. it is time for force washington to do the same. steful spending, repeal obamacare, and balance the budget. i'm joany ernst, and i approve this message because washington is full of big spenders, let's make them squealing. >> it is very hard to rhyme castration, it is hard to overcome it. i learned so much, i said to myself, i don't think it was a good idea to castrate more hogs if you want more, the fat hogs are so depressed they can't have sex, they just eat, they make better pork. i'm glad i saved this for you, brian -- >> i'm not sure what this is, this is a problem. but she is looking to stand out, replace tom harkin in the senate, and actually serves our country. she served in iraq and is still active. she has a lot of positive qualities and we know she is resourceful. >> every expert now believes in this consensus, this will be a referendum on obama, and especially obamacare, 41% approval rating, 59% disapproval rating, been as 38 in the fox news poll. what do you tell your democratic friends, especially red state democrats ru

we need to do the work that the american people sent us to washington to do. now it gives me a privilege to introduce the chairman of the ways and means -- the ranking member of the ways and means committee, mr. levin. >> let me try to place this in context. as you know, the ways and means committee has had jurisdiction over this matter. from the beginning it was clear what the republicans were after. there was zero evidence of political motivation. we have had five hearings in ways and means. $14 million has been spent by irs. so with no evidence what is going on here, the political motivation is not that of anybody but the republicans. i remember the first hearing we had. the chairman said there was a culture of cover-up. there was zero evidence of this. what is happening here is the republicans are determined to keep this issue of the irs alive as part of their twin strategy attacking health care and essentially claiming without any foundation political motivation, trying to tie it to the white house. what happened yesterday -- and i saw, elijah, the tape on

washington remain divided on how to address the issue of america's 11 million undocumented immigrants. labor union versus taken a stance on immigration reform. now they are just waiting for washington to doame. >>> interesting story. the british government pledged 45 million pounds on developing the so-called internet of things technology. the amount doubles the the fund available working on everyday devices that can communicate over the internet. the british prime minister is speak anything germany. let's just a taste of what's going on there. >> there will be many opportuniti opportunities. get your hands off me. i'm expensive. you shouldn't touch what you can't afford. >> this is a world on fast forward. a world of technological revolution. in this world countries like the united kingdom and germany will only succeed if we have a releaptless drive for new ideas and innovations. >> there you go. i dragged him in the studio once again. thanks for being with us, rory. i want you to give us in point form what we are talking about. i hear about a house that can tweet us. >> this has been around for quite a while. it's the idea that more and more, not just big computers or mobile phones wil

. >> if you continue to allow washington to do this, it will not go away because you will find these groups coming out of the woodwork that need a little bit of the pie, that is what happens. neil: they keep on hearing them up for income? >> that is what they are doing. they're still not money properly. how many potholes are there? don't even tell me about shovel ready projects. collecting more money is not the answer. you know, another thing you think of in this great debate is something democratic harrison raised with me reminding me the top rate used to be north of 70%. i said so. we have a lot higher to go. we want to go a lot higher. where'd you go? spiegel of the attacks every high income earner at 100%, you still cannot pay for the spending this administration wants to do. this is borne out by the numbers. the historical norm for revenues coming in, we will get to that level as a percentage of gdp. but w who will not get his spending. spending will continue to be much higher than it was over the proceeding half a century. it will not change unless they take a stance against th

washington. what was the catalyst to get washington to move? >> i look at it as if i was a director. i have a fiduciary responsibility to all shareholders. i doten to what someone in washington tells me to do. i listen to the owners of the company that i represent. and >> judge ask you, a federal recently gave you the right to discovery in a lawsuit to find out if there were changes made. what do you hope to find? what do you think was hidden that you could not find before? >> the last decision that was made, 2012 when the sun was shining, it was obvious these companies were going to make very good money. a deal was made between one government agency and another. we do not understand it. it was not necessary and did not make sense. it is about a mistake being made . it could have been an oversight, a careless mistake, or something where we believe it was a simple mistake. it is about the past. my discussion with the board of fannie mae and freddie mac, chatting with me, is about the future. government had every right to change their relationship. government does not have the right to alter past agreements from the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and s

so when i get to washington, i'll know how to cut pork. >> joanie earnest, mother, soldier, conservative. >> my parents taught us to live one our means. it's time to force washington to dout wasteful spending, repeal obamacare, and balance the budget. i approve this message because washington is full of big spenders. let's make them squeal. >> there you go. dana -- >> ew, bob. >> i thought she was going to say that washington is full of you know what, but i love the ad. i had not heard of her before. i think it's admirable that people want to run for office, anyway, but when they can get out there and shine, and i thought she was fantastic. i hope she gets to congress. >> she's among six candidates running for the nomination of a party, the republicans. i'm wondering because i'm not a farmer, why would you castrate a hog if you wanted more hogs. if you didn't have to run to town for more hogs -- >> they're going to go to slaughter. >> don't you want it to have more hogs before you slaughter him? >> you can't have -- >> not all hogs will be having you know what with other pigs. >> i have to bring this around. let's bring it around. bob, sarah palin within a few hours of

to shrink? washington is doing just fine in the obama economy. but real americans deserve a lot better, and we can give it to them if we work together. what i'm saying is this, mr. president. you've got two years left in office. work with us >> cfp sylvia burwell testified wednesday about resident obama's nearly $4 trillion budget request. credits,tizes new tax infrastructure spending, and an expansion of early childhood education. she testified for just over two hours. >> the committee will come to order. i think this is her first time here. welcome for your first time here at the budget committee. i'm sure you're going to really enjoy this. >> i hope so. i cannot say that i can see you right now. i want to thank you for being here and taking the time to speak with us and coming back in government service.

congress doing great talking with you look forward to meeting you i know you had some experience in washingtona serving is on the staff of others good luck in everything you do thank you larry i appreciate being here thank you very much now joining me to talk about many of today's hottest political topics is dennis prager host of nationally syndicated talk radio program called a great title the dennis prager show he's also a columnist a bestselling author and an old friend and dave ruben host of the ruben report a current events panel show featured on the young turks network i want to spend a couple man and i wanted to make fun of the dennis prager show name but not the ruben show name i didn't make fun of it i said if. you had a longer interested i'd already know you got a lawyer in trucks and there's a you know learning that we're not just one quick couple of comments on on congressman jolly he's in that district the best typifies america he wins fifty does forty eight percent the forty six percent there's another guy gets four percent running third the totally divided what did you make of w

allowed to go into force, but it takes energy from health care, doctors, and others who come to washington to do everything they can to see their compensation is no lower than it was the year before. this can't be a good way to pursue this for lots of reasons. the cbo has -- congressional budget office, has come up with a lower number to permanently fix this than we with have ever seen before, and we should take advantage of the lower number and permanently fix it however we need to. it was always in my view a phony pay-for and surely, there were people who were smarter than me who could have figured out when the bill was on the floor that we were not going to be cutting compensation every year so what would we do? just use this as an excuse to have health care providers come back and say okay if you don't want the cut what else can you give us? that can't be the best way to move forward. it's time to stop kicking that can down the road and do as much as we k. i think chairman wyden will look at that carefully whether we get that done thissier or not. i don't know but we should and we should hav

world, but when we see an acute crisis like this immediately everyone is looking at washington to see what washington will doeveryone is looking at washington to lead. tavis: the flip side is when the u.s. stands up and says, here's what we are going to do, it doesn't automatically lead to results. >> and never have. byte of the cold war when we were the leade -- at the height thehe cold war when we were leader of the free world, it still didn't work that way. time and doesn't always succeed. >> i could talk about ukraine and crimea. i could talk about syria and other places where barack obama has had a lot of potshots taken at him over his inability to lead were wishy-washy nests -- washiness.wishy- there have been shot fired at the president. some of them legitimate. many of them illegitimate. the question is whether we have a crisis in this particular white house or whether the country has found itself in a place historically where people are looking at the leadership of our nation. >> let me say a couple of things. one thing we do in the book is theto make a deeper look at fundamentals. my conclusion is

reform across the finish line and it is there just within our grasp, if we can get folks in washington to go ahead and do what needs to be done. >> reporter: with comprehensive immigration reform so far out of reach of his administration, president obama is having trouble with both friends and foye foe--both friends and foes these days. >> while talking about immigration in san francisco last november, the president was interrupted by a young man angry over his immigration policy. and as the president listened the man said he was separated from his family as were thousands of others from immigrants families. and then the man started shouting. [ yelling ] >> thank you, all right. >> reporter: the president listened, and then said. >> now what you need to know when i'm speaking, the president of the united states, and i come to this community, is that if in fact, i could solve all these problems without passing laws in congress, then i would do so. but we're also a nation of laws. that's part of our tradition. >> reporter: that's the heart of the problem for the president: he's caught between reform effort

again, to try to hit them in the pocketbook and try and maneuver things that way. certainly that's what brussels and washington seem to be doing in this crisis. >> mica, you are in washington, d.c. and i will counter with words are not really popular with the hawks on capitol hill. is there really room for a cerebral battle in the 21s 21st century in washington, d.c. where the partisan lines are sharply drawn. >> i think you are seeing a partisan fight within the republican party, hawks arguing for action, but the actions are no different than what the administration's taking. even they recognize that there's no on that tight for military action. no one wants to fight russia in their own backyard against the second largest military in the world. >> thanks for being with us. still ahead on aljazeera america. venice not a part of italy? what the residents are voting for today. >> turkey will block taxes twitter, but did this move backfire? >> two chirp are dead, dozens sickened at a kindergarten in china. a toxic substance is a powerful rat poison. they have not determined whether it was intentional or an accident as many sick c

course, living here and growing up here, i did go to mount vernon all the time, and i knew there was somebody named martha washington, but that was it. do you know anything about martha washington? yeah, go ahead. >> [inaudible] >> she was married to george washington, but did she do anything, does anybody know? yeah, go ahead. >> [inaudible] she cheered on the soldiers at valley fog. that's what i knew. she spent a winter at valley forge with the soldiers, but you know what? the revolutionary war was eight years long. she spent every winter, and she hated having to go because it was unpleasant. it was cold. there were no food. it was difficult. also, the roads were very tresh rows, and she had to go over them, and the british took people like martha washington, the wife of the chief patriot, george washington, they took women like her hostage and some were killed. it was scary for her to go, but she went every winter of the war because georgemented her to. because she supported the troops so much, she helped keep them in camp and from deserting the army when there was no food or shelter and no pay, and here she is at valley forge with

to be the most transparent administration in history? the simple truth is that democrats in washington are willing to say and do whatever it takes to protect their health care law. because it empowers the government and not the american people. just this week, senate majority leader harry reid said that there are plenty of horror stories being told about health care but all of them are untrue. try telling that to my constituents who are struggling 30thke it to the 15th and of every month in this top economy. likeworking missourians jen who makes high-quality diapers for consumers all over the work. her premiums were projected to double putting her family's business and livelihood in jeopardy. let me share with you which euro to me. she said, i believe in affordable care. we provide great health care insurance or staff. we pay for 70% of the premiums for staff members and their entire family. we operate on microscopic margins and have valued taking care of our employees. i simply don't know how we as small business owners are going to be able to shoulder the load with these changes. every day i hear from hard-working missourians who are tro

to death? do you think is a depiction of a washington people recognize? ognize is that in our show as in the real world, we have a washington that is paralyzed by political gridlock. what we have, what we're able to do is see something that can cut through that gridlock like a knife through butter and that is one of the delicious aspects of the show. someone who actually gets things done. >> stephen: okay that is the fantasy part of the show. >> that's right. >> stephen: what i am mostly seeing-- (cheers and applause) >> stephen: of course the other fantasy part of the show is that he is a white democrat from my home state of north carolina. >> john spratt. >> stephen: eats no fat. >> he is a southern democrat who represented the fifth district. >> stephen: was, the word iss with. >> that's true, was, for over 20 years. and one of the reasons we made frank a southern democrat is because it's not some of about ideology for southern democrat, it's about personal relationships. >> stephen: so anyway, he and his wife robin wright there, they're both, you know,

do we take good policies and make it good politics? not to buy misleading people but to doing what you said you were going to do once you get to washington d.c. thank you. [applause] >> excellent. if question we are asked is the marriage can survive? my answer is, it'd better. the white house is occupied by an anti-american radical who has done more to -- [applause] to bankrupt this nation's economy and take down as a military power and destroy individual liberty than anyone in 2009 january 2009possible january when he first took office. worse than that. he is the head of the democratic party that has moved to -- so much to the left it has become a party that is anti-free market and anti-individual and anti-constitutional and unready to defend american sovereign interest. we cannot afford to let such a party run our government for years. 4 or 8 the world cannot afford it. how do we hold the conservative polish and that opposes our national suicide? how to make this marriage survive? the difference between the tea party and the republican party is a matter of tactics and temperament, not policy and ideology. to understand what i mean, you

wealthier, and were successful, and the economy will be better cover than he can do it all loads loads of good enough to wake washington -- will be better. they can do that. you do not have to wait to washington. >> filibuster proof majority have they want to reform the corporate tax code they want to fix obamacare. they seem to be troubled by the same gridlock that troubles the administration. to worrying about the changes that you want me to the way that the national government treats the national economy? >> we have a senate and house race in november. it looks very good for the republicans, with the number of senate the that are held why democrats that are engaging. -- are indeed your. -- in danger. in 2016, there are a number of seats that you worry but in illinois, perhaps, which is one intent but it which is not only republican territory. 51 is not what you're looking for, 54, 55 is what you're looking for. the house will strengthen going forward. the replica guns have repetitive it is for -- the republicans have better candidates than the democrats, much more than 10,012 -- 2012 and we were sloppy about running

everyone agreed, but when it came time to do it, oh, no people will be hurt. >> washington lacks courage to do anything that would reform these programs, it never really comes to fruition. john: market access program. >> a program run through usda to allow you know foreign companies to you know promote our industry here abroad but this goes to a lot of the industrys here, that are farm program subsidizeed. john: pet food, sunkist, and welch's food, and wine. >> yes. and those that we heavily subsidize like soeu, and cotton, they get a ton of money to go elsewhere and talk about how important this industry is. and other countrys should be buying this product from us, despite the fact it makes it very expensive to do so. john: small business. >> probably about 99% of businesses da qualify under thig fore program, it is a great jobs program for members of congress, not for jobs in america it allows politicians to say they given money to businesses to hire and employee people to -- it is funneling money. not to be able to return their loans. john: they don't have a great lone record. >> no.

this is ok to do with the tree for its day washington is welcoming ukraine's opposition leader turned a prime minister to secure american allegiance to the country's current leadership. us girls to seven thousand footage estimated bases and burdened and lithuania by the states to enforce exercises in response to the turmoil that in ukraine. the pentagon described to me thus making it crystal clear to the american allies in the region the us stands by them. that is that he does like symmetry russell's appears more wholesome american to uphold the perfect meal to get involved in the crisis list of the chicken has this report. ukraine's called pointed in shrimp and industry. senior constable us capital for a show of mutual affection. this is showing support for the most powerful country in the world to an unelected prime minister who seized power illegally but they hope to gain legitimacy for this internationally. he was the lead in the ukrainian crisis reaches far and wide despite loud words about voting for democracy and the ukrainian people deciding their own future the seals open ukr

you send your money to washington and, if you do what washington tells you to do, you can get some ofr money back. i have a better idea -- why don't you just keep your money in the first place. [cheers and applause] take obamacare. the way the president -- ok, don't take obamacare, but work with me, ok. consider obamacare. the way the president talks you would think there is no alternative here and we've got plenty. senator tom coburn has one. tom price has one. each plan has its virtues. but the unifying principle is clear. we believe you should pick your health care plan, not washington. [applause] once again, the gop is where the action is. just as it was at the beginning of the reagan revolution. you know, people forget that cutting taxes was once controversial, even in our own party. senator bob dole used to make fun of supply-siders like jack. he used to say that the good news is a bus of supply-siders went over a cliff. seats weres is some empty. he warmed up to the idea. when he ran for president, he promised to cut tax rates across the board. that is what we call the battle o

and george washington was the first president to do so. ortunately, he set a precedent that many of his successors have often used recklessly. unlike those successors, when washington went to war in the west, the lives of thousands of american citizens were clearly at stake. in all, president washington established what i call in my book seven pillars of presidential power not provided by the constitution. he raised the first four pillars of power relatively easily. they were the powers over executive appointments, foreign affairs, government finances and defense and military affairs. raising the other three pillars, though, almost cost washington his life. again, i don't want to spoil my book for you, but of these three powers, one is the power to issue presidential proclamations or executive orders. the constitution says nothing about proclamations and doesn't give the president the right to issue any for good reason. a presidential proclamation or executive order is a new law. ask the constitution -- and the constitution doesn't give the

to have aggressive campaigns that push republicans not just on what they'd repeal. we know that, but what would they do in its place. >> john, as you talk to people, especially outside of washingtonhey still listening? do they want to hear the particulars robert's talking about on health care or think wow, this thing is kind of a disaster. >> i think the whole repeal question is misleading. maybe they don't want it repealed but still upset with the roll out. they may have friends or members of with healthcare.gov. in nevada we set up our own exchange which has been a disaster. almost makes the federal look like a well oiled machine. it's not going to be a binary choice repeal or not reapeel. it's do you think this it is working and do you have confidence in the democrats who supported this. >> here's a question that we've been asking on the program which is what do people. actually want in their elected representatives here in congress. we sent our downyang to southwestern iowa to a historically swing district to get some of the answers to that question. have a look. >> for more than 70 years, breakfast in indianola iowa has meant this cafe where the servings are big often come w

to washington, i'll know how to cut pork. my mother taught to us live within our means. it's time to force washington to do the same, to cut wasteful spending, repeal obamacare and balance the budget. washington is full of big spenders. let's make 'em squeal. >> that's chatham, by the way. >> whoa, look at chatham, by the way. >> joanie ernst one of five republicans running for senate in iowa. >> give it to her now. she'll make washington better, if you are know what i mean. >> she would. >> ow. >> with us on set we've got mike, harold ford, jr., senior political editor for "the washington post" sam stein -- >> i'm going to give it back to you. >> oh, dear lord! stop! what are you doing? >> but you need to get her spayed. >> where did that come from? >> did you just pull a cat out of your bag? >> you just pulled that poor cat out. >> she's good. i've been working her, joe. you have to work to handle her better because she's very well behaved. >> keep her in a bag? has this been cat in a bag for a week? >> no, i've been working with her because you told me she's a little aggressive and she jumps all over. y

to you is obviously the u.s. has been very insistent with these sanctions do you think in the long in the long run this is a good strategy to be pursuing considering they have washington and moscow do need to cooperate with each other on a handful of issues well there's an executive order which obama signs of you sure sanctions against sectors of the economy of russia's economy meaning energy and finance and those if and i think that's to deter russia from going into eastern ukraine they're trying to make the threat of sanctions more sanctions what do you make of the list of people who are in the sanctions do you think the fact that. a handful of them are not actually people who have impacted what has happened in ukraine in the sense that they did not obviously you know run the show on the ground when the situation was first unraveling do you think this list of sanctions is really about territorial integrity or something else well i think now they're trying to get a putin's inner circle people that are closer to him really turn the screws on some of the leaders a ship of the kremlin will be able to do that i'm not sure i'm skeptical about that because i think there ar

they'll decide if they want to try to do something with that box themselves or whether they'll turn it over for ntsb to fly to washington and work on that box here. now, that's -- most of the counties in the world rely on the ntsb's expertise here in washington, d.c., to do that analysis. we'll see if that's their choice as well. >> let's say new zealand retrieves it or australia or japan, somebody actually gets it, they would then -- would their responsibility be to hand it over to malaysia and malaysia would give it to the ntsb? >> exactly. >> or would they give it right to the ntsb. >> no, they've gil it to malaysia. >> what if malaysia says they're not giving it to the united states, we're taking a look at it. >> that's their choice, it's their case. it's not finders keepers. >> what are you hearing, this new search zone, that's opened up a whole new area. 700 miles away from the old search area they thought they were making some progress over there. this is a whole new world. >> i think for the u.s., they're not really surprised by this because it's yet another misstep that's gone on here. they were looking in the