that payment won't, pintos, wassa, kaylee gore problem. this'll be a durbin, a south african city, with 4000000 inhabitants by the indian ocean, is playing a crucial role in the ongoing toilet revolution. because of the endemic drought in south africa. but also more surprisingly, because of the end of apartheid, martinez was to prepare for the new south africa. and as united a project you had, you had a central city which was mainly what people surrounded by a sea of poverty, which was mainly african people. many of whom edna services from 1996 until 2000. it was easy to motivate for money for water because that was the big issue. but we started to realize that just bringing water to families was causing another problem, a public health problem, because then there was crating sewage and the sewage was just running through the houses and causing problems. and then in, in 2002 we had a color outbreak and that changed everything. suddenly the politician said, we need sanitation with neil mccloud or the helm. the municipality of durbin has become a pioneer in the separation of urine and fec