but it was not waterboarding. >> anyone that suggests the enhanced techniques, let's be blungt, waterboarding, did not produce an enormous amount of valuable intelligence, just isn't facing the truth. >> stephen: now, when he says, "let's be blunt," is he referring to what he was smoking to be able to say both of those things in the same week? [cheers and applause] unfortunately, folks, unfortunately, even rumsfeld doesn't settle anything. and the only way torture can be justified is if we know that they saved lives. but if there is no indisputable evidence that torture saves lives, there's only one thing a civilized nation can do? torture more. we've got to keep torturing until there is one clear case where everyone says that torturing saves lives. then and only then will our actions be justified. so who do we torture next? now, we could... [cheers and applause] it could be terrorist, but what are they going to tell us, where bin laden is? the onlies who know that are fish, and waterboarding won't help. [laughter] folks, if you think about it, you know what kills more americans than terroris

i shall remind you that the people who do the waterboarding have been waterboarded themselves. they have received extensive training of words of 200 hours and part of that they have been waterboarded themselves. they know exactly what the subject is going through because they have done it themselves. ksm breaks and begins to talk. when he offers information into questioning that information is checked and cross checked. they'll write everything he says to take it as gospel. good information is reported to have access to his favorite foods, an extra: , then inflammation -- bad information is punish. the air-conditioning becomes very cold and very quickly prisoners realize the parameters. cooperation is rewarded lack of cooperation is punished. do i think ksm was tortured? after having looked through hundreds of pages of documents released by the cia inspector general's report and the legal memos by the justice department, i say no. torture the classical definition is a permanent irreversible change of well being. such as amputating a healthy limb, gouging the eye or ripping out

i don't know where they were waterboarded. they were waterboarded. we've had four c.i.a. directors say that they waterboarded three people and they got an enormous amount of information about al qaeda from doing that. but the impression in the world is that there was torture at guantanamo and there wasn't. those people down there gained 20 pounds. they had religiously appropriate food. they had soccer. they have had v movies. they have all kinds of things. >> rose: it's not a country club down there. >> i didn't say it was a country club. but by golly they get the same health care our troops do and the abuse that's been heaped on guantanamo bay and the u.s. military people who operate that facility is disgraceful. it is an exceedingly well-run place. it is not a place where torture has been... >> rose: well,oth. >> and that's wrong! >> rose: i'm way over time here so i have to do this. >> (laughs) >> rose: almost ed to continue this in another way. but guantanamo bay, i think, surely president oba campaigned that he would... what he would do...e found it difficult and the

where the waterboarding took place in studying with this story britain is not the only state that it's been supporting the u.s. to carry out its illegal treatment of prisoners back in two thousand and one leaders gave america the green light to go ahead with its vision of battling terror and since then hundreds have been tortured daniel bushell has one story. was arrested on the streets and sent to guantanamo for torture after five years america released him without charge to this day the u.s. has given no explanation all said story couldn't as is suing george bush's lawyer alberto gonzalez for ruling tool sure is legal interrogators from the land of the free are free to cause quote simulated drowning rape instrumentality impairment of bodily function organ failure and even death i was one of those who survived those kind of torture. myself electroshocks because i was not science. i was forced to agree. and i was. the us refused to even reveal they were holding current as his mother owns this lawyer to find her son it took several years there was no chance to get in contact with mr cor

where the waterboarding took place. and on our website at our dot com we're following the story of a former inmate of the notorious prison. he is fighting to bring the u.s. to justice after allegedly being tortured the facility then released without charge after five years behind bars plus. a smart move or nonsense as a general david petraeus gets the top job at the cia we find out what it means for the u.s. . you are to. find out. the euro is dead and buried quite literally according to skeptics who've held a mock funeral for the ailing single currency in brussels they argue that attempts to bail out greece are too little too late and economic failure will leave the eurozone dream in tatters e.u. members have agreed on good terms of a new bailout but are pressing the greek authorities to tighten their purse strings once again if the monies are to be handed over the government will vote on a proposed twenty eight billion euro budget over five years we approve another twelve billion euros and rescue many countries includ

where the waterboarding took place. on our website following the story of a former inmate of the new tourist town in the bay prison he's fighting through three u.s. just to be tortured of sanity and then released without charge after five years behind bars also on the web site of the moment small move all nonsense that the general david petraeus gets the top job at the cia we find out what it means for the u.s. . the euro is dead and buried quite literally according to skeptics who held a mock funeral for the ailing single currency in brussels they argue that attempts to bail out greece a little too late and athens economic failure will leave the eurozone dream the members have agreed on the terms of pressing the greek authorities to tighten their purse strings once again if the money's to be handed over the government will vote on a proposed twenty eight billion euro budget cut over five years next week if approved it will mean another twelve billion euros in rescue money. join those morning euro coming. this is a fune

where the waterboarding took place. german talking to us from london the euro is dead and buried quite literally according to skeptics who held a mock funeral for the ailing single currency in brussels they argue that attempts to greece are too little too late and athens economic failure will leave the euro zone dream in tatters the members have agreed on the terms of a new bailout for the press and the greek authorities to tighten the purse strings once again if the money is to be handed over the government will vote on a proposed twenty eight billion euro budget cut of the five years next week if approved it will mean another twelve billion euros in. joining those mourning the euro's economic. this is a recession in the center of brussels where the european leaders are meeting to discuss the future of the greek debt and of the eurozone itself they believe the euro can be salvaged but most people including euro skeptics believe it is impossible and there will be no resurrection of the euro well to me and i think a lot

in the bank of england and the bank of japan again i suggest waterboard ok max so he's also saying that the greeks are not the problem it's not the people of greece that caused this problem it's the monetary system that is the principal agent and the fact that this is true you can see in the price of gold he points to that takes me to the next headline greeks turn savings to gold and perth mint silver coin sales surged to record on haven demand so the financial times this article points out is reporting that greek citizens are emptying savings accounts and buying gold as they brace themselves for the possibility of a sovereign default and a run on the banks sales of gold coins of sort in recent weeks as people are converting all their savings into gold but gold and silver and you know we were not and recently writing a new documentary down there and had a chance to speak before thousands of people have been on the national television since and translated into greek and the message to the greek people is clear to buy gold and silver to protect yourself against the flu. now it's a whole c

congress he is telling a lie that's causing incredible global financial damage again i suggest waterboarding ok well let's look at this video here and this is jim grant's being interviewed on bloomberg news and he was asked about ben bernanke lying to the audience there about monetary policy in the causes of it getting and which though he mentions in money markets so the fed has pushed interest rates to zero right it has flooded the system with dollar bills pity the poor saver who wants to get something some little taste of interest income on his or her balance so that they invest in money market mutual funds the money market mutual funds having nothing to do in this country is richard zero go to europe so many more neutral fund investors are taking him quite ponderable risks for about zero percent return or you get these funds building a few basis points only but to get those few basis points these funds are crossing the atlantic right smack dab in the middle of the european banking crisis to try to take some measure of yield this is a prime example of the unintended consequences of this ma

including waterboarding and. allegations. relating to an agreement between washington and. a. former prime minister yulia timoshenko trial for abuse of power resulting. politically motivated. if convicted he faces up to ten years behind bars. the long term mayor of chicago richard daley has climbing city into an attractive place for life finds out if he has some advice for moscow spotlight coming up next . hello again and welcome to spotlight the shelf. today my guest is richard daley. the longest serving mayor of chicago has left office twenty two years and the trip he managed to turn the declining the best city into a distillation city pushed through immigration reform and masterfully dealt with racism issues poor winning support of the black chicago these problems are characteristic for many big cities so what advice does the scariest mayor have for moscow my guest today is a veteran u.s. political war horse and the longest serving mayor of chicago richard daley. richard daley was the patriarch of a very influential political family often compared to the kennedys he was bil

interrogation techniques including waterboarding. now on our. president obama's announcement to withdraw thirty three thousand troops from afghanistan wasn't welcomed by either. or military officials. welcome to cross talk and peter lavelle exit strategy obama's long awaited plan to start drawing down troops levels in afghanistan is in play but is it a real drawdown or just a reduction of the so-called surge of eighteen months ago did obama capitulate to public opinion over military needs and will american and nato troops ever completely leave afghanistan to afghans. take. cross-talk u.s. afghan strategy i'm joined by gareth porter in washington he's an investigative historian and journalist also in washington we have sam side there he is senior director of iran programs at nonviolence international and in london we crossed the alexis crow she's a research fellow in the international security program at chapman house all right folks this is cross talk and that means cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want gareth i'

conditions in america's secret prison system suspects faced enhanced interrogation techniques including waterboarding and were held without trial in the cia's extraordinary rendition program the allegations emerged after documents relating to an agreement between washington and london were declassified. former prime minister yulia timoshenko stands trial for abuse of power that resulted in the country losing millions of dollars in gas revenue she maintains her innocence claiming the case is politically motivated to discredit her if convicted faces up to ten years behind bars. now and peter lavelle and his crosstalk guests discuss why president obama's announcement to withdraw thirty three thousand u.s. troops from afghanistan wasn't welcomed by either anti-war activists or military officials. ok. welcome to crossfire computor all about exit strategy obama's long awaited plan to start drawing down troops levels in afghanistan is in play but is it a real drawdown or just a reduction of the so-called surge of eighteen months ago did obama capitulate to public opinion over military needs and will america

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they describe waterboarding to describe regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been gains and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it still has to overcome if you just is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact has a very important role to play here rights activist david keyes coming on reports thousands been arrested in egypt the military rulers since taking over from ousted hosni mubarak. now from fighting terrorism and extremism to the economy across central asia a powerful group including regional heavyweights russia and china is meeting stan the presidents of iran and afghanistan were also invited to the tenth anniversary. summit and will hold talks with russia's president tests are silly is following the events. with the tenth shanghai cooperation organization. taking place now starting it off are the six member nations of the com

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they describe waterboarding to describe regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been gains and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it still has to overcome if egypt is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact has a very important role to play. and common russula chance to keep from the voice of russia radio station one hopes that the majority of the prisoners will very. this is a very transitional period so we can you know you have to expect that some of these things are going to happen doesn't mean we have to allow them one of the first things that the newly elected government is going to have to look at and one of the things that the egyptian people are going to have to demand that basically you know they go through those seven thousand cases on a case by case review send them to civilian courts and honestly my guess is you would see m

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they described waterboarding they described regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been gains and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it still has to overcome if egypt is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact has a very important role to play. well let's now check on some of today's main world news a suicide bomber has struck a german convoy more than afghanistan the vehicle was carrying german soldiers and was destroyed in the attack but nato says there are no casualties however at least two civilians died if the explosion and last month two german soldiers. were also killed a regional police commander. argentinian coast guard to seize more than four hundred kilos of cocaine on board a luxury u.s. registered yacht to spaniards from about the boat left the day before the police raid. weapons were found on board including a machine gun

defaulting he is telling a lie that's causing incredible global financial damage again i suggest waterboarding. in japan the president of tepco the company operating the crippled fukushima plant has apologized for the disaster earlier this year the company has come under fire out of meeting with shareholders for not doing enough to deal with the situation meanwhile as workers have begun to install a protective cap at the first reactor aimed at preventing radio. from spreading efforts to cool the reactors are continuing as a key water recycling system has again been launched the ongoing crisis has left europe divided over the future of nuclear power while france's promise further investment germany plans to shut all of its plants the former head of the international atomic energy agency mohamed el baradei says despite the list there's no way the world can abandon nuclear energy now. this illusion is not to face is not to to shut down a new kind of energy because it provides forty percent of your place to demand and . possibly more in the future and in companies like china you know there is no o

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they describe waterboarding to describe regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been games and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it still has to overcome it is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact is a very important role to play. russia is one of the highest teen suicide rates in the world experts however say a solution isn't easy to find as the causes are complex. reports now and those touched by the teenage tragedy. just days before final exams a t.v. crew was reporting and students gearing up for their adult lives that lay ahead of them the teachers pointed to bullying or their brightest student who it seemed had her future figured out a stage i want to become a journalist because it's a very interesting and creative profession which would open doors to the world for me. but instead of a school living celebration pullin his cla

faltering he is telling a lie that's causing incredible global financial damage again i suggest waterboarding. or whether the u.s. is thinking effects of the greek problems on earth its economy still suffering with lots of national debt and my own employment american the city of benton harbor's trying to do these financial woes just to changes to the weights run through officials are being granted almost no power as well to report lower examines what it means when state of american democracy. the american state known for its great lakes has seen the middle class speed and automotive industry crumble in michigan's poorest city benton harbor more than a quarter citizens are unemployed and elected officials have lost all authority to government as an unprecedented democratic collapse plays out we believe that it's illegal immoral and unconstitutional no one person in this country have that authority to prove the united states that authority in the face of massive public opposition michigan lawmakers recently reshaped democracy by giving unilateral authority to officials known as emergency financ

defaulting he is telling a lie that's causing incredible global financial damage again i suggest waterboarding. if you. want to be right or if you move the ball from violence to. t.v. dot com. deprived of jobs resources and now it's an elected government the american city of benton harbor is seeing a drastic changes to the way it's run with new officials granted almost on the streets of local powers. are examines what it means for the state of american democracy. the american state known for its great lakes has seen the middle class hate and automotive industry crumble in michigan's poorest city benton harbor more than a quarter citizens are unemployed and elected officials have lost all authority to govern as an unprecedented democratic collapse plays out we believe that it's illegal immoral and unconstitutional no one person in this country have all that authority in the present united states and that have that authority in the face of a massive public opposition michigan lawmakers recently reshaped democracy. by giving the unilateral authority to officials known as emergency financial manag

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waterboarding and were held without trial in the cia's extraordinary rendition program the allegations emerged after documents relating to an agreement between washington. and in the ukrainian capital kiev former prime minister yulia timoshenko suspends trial for abuse of power that resulted in the country losing millions of dollars in gas revenue she maintains. the case is politically motivated to discredit her if convicted tymoshenko faces up to ten years. coming your way our team brings you all the latest high tech gadgets developments in russian science technology update coming up next right here on. welcome to technology update and welcome to tomes a city carved over four centuries ago out of the endless forests and swamps of siberia already an established center for some of russia's whiz kid students and their smart ideas today toast is transforming itself into an integrator for an expanding cluster of innovative businesses since our last episode. two thousand and eleven for a it's fourteen to any will gathering of business research and administration innovators this year drawing

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they describe waterboarding to describe the regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been gains and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it still has to overcome if you ship is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact has a very important role to play. with r.t. us to the head on the program cleaning up react to what's. happening. on the dangers posed by radiation leaks. the u.s. is accused of using physical pressure to extradite jailed russian it's been. rather would be to. the state should have less of an influence in russia's economy that was part of president vision of the nation's future the international economic performance in petersburg this week he joined the business leaders and politicians to discuss ways russia and the world should be developing their economies nazis and he said that we are. modernization based on stifling corr

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they describe waterboarding to describe regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been gains and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it still has to overcome if you just is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact has a very important role to play human rights activist david keyes commenting on reports thousands been arrested on in egypt by military rulers since taking over from alstead hosni mubarak. now a group of influential central asian states including regional heavyweights russia and china are meeting in stand to discuss the fight against terrorism in an area was more than its share of issues with pakistan and afghanistan in the neighborhood the shanghai cooperation organization faces a number of challenges are just us are still years following the atom gathering and explains what they are. presence of countries such as pakistan ira

military prisons and they describe incredible torture they describe electrocution they describe waterboarding they describe for regular beatings and this was the egyptian military that stood behind mubarak until the last minute so while there have been gains and we hope that egypt has a brighter future ahead of it there are still many many challenges that it's so much to overcome if you ship is going to move towards democracy and liberalism and openness in the west in fact is a very important role to play the u.s. is stepping up its unmanned drone attacks on yemen claiming to target al qaeda militants been reports of a secret cia base big built in the persian gulf for the sole purpose of taking down anti american terrorists if they managed to win through and yemen's power struggle and it's thought over one hundred people have been killed in the past two weeks the witnesses on the ground say they include a lot more civilians that was being admitted in the u.k. meantime attack helicopters and commanders squads are being prepared for possible deployment of the country british m.p. jeremy call be

in america's secret prison system suspects face and hands to interrogation techniques including waterboarding who were held without trial in the cia's extraordinary rendition program the allegations emerged after documents relating to an argument between washington and london would be quite funny. coming your way r.j. brings you all the latest high tech gadgets and state of the developments in russian scientist science technology update it's coming up next. the technology update and welcome to a city for centuries ago out of the endless forests and swamps of siberia already an established center for some of russia's whiz kid students and their smart ideas today transforming itself into an incubator for an expanding cluster of innovative businesses since our last episode. two thousand and eleven. gathering of business and administration this year. nineteen countries and forty seven russian regions. brainstorming sessions with special market makers consciously for. nuclear technology revitalizing cities and russia's regional economies and educating new generation to keep up in the knowledge bas