let's be clear, you don't have a problem with waterboarding? >> i do have a problem with waterboarding because i don't believe it's effective. let me tell you how interrogations work, for example. >> stephen: i know how that works. good cop, bad cop, right? >> no. >> stephen: bad cop water boards, good cop carries the towel. >> no. where were you when i was on the "frontline"? >> stephen: i was on the front line here every night, my friend. so how do they work? how do you believe... >> you outsmart the individual. you have a lot of information already in your finger... under your fingertips on that person, on the organization. you try to outwit them into knowing you have a lot of things about them. for example, bin laden's personal bodyguard had no idea who were the hijackers. we only knew he knew one of the hijackers. ter we made him believe that that hijacker maybe a source ed e else, and this is how we knew that seven out of the hijackers re aqaeda operatives and we had all the information that we needed at the time that al qaeda was behind

can i assume all of that is waterboarding?hanced interrogation is what got us the tips we needed to fight al qaeda. >> actually, none of this, as you mentioned, is because of interrogation techniques or waterboarding. for example, abu zubadia, the first question, i asked him his name. he gave me a wrong alias, so i looked at him in the face, and i said, "what i if i call you hani?" that was the name his mother nicknamed him as a child. he had that look, oh, my gosh, he got me. he started talking and gave actionable intelligence in the first hour of our interrogation. >> stephen: but it wasn't enough because they eventually brought in an outside contractor who water boarded him 83 times. >> exactly. >> stephen: so if you were getting good information, they wouldn't have given him the free swimming lessons. >> right. right. the 83 waterboarding sessions is just a perfect example how these techniques don't work because... >> stephen: what do you mean? >> if it worked you're not going to do 83 with him. i was there with khalid she

we prosecuted service members foranam waterboarding and in addition, recently with nazintly germany many of thend justifications provided by the new conservative have legal theory provided by carl smith so first wire they given immunity from prosecution when they violate and in fact, the harm is continuing? because some of those things that we're doing to a sum of bin laden to provoke more people from towing with al qaeda? the story is not over now it is just hindsight but the problem is aggravated as some say by the fact they could act within themav constitution that we don't take an oath to serve thean flag but to defend the constitution soon to be openly calling to set itg aside referring specifically po why we need to set the constitution is side.t dealing for with people who are openly calling for the constitution and to describe further acts the why shouldribe they not be prosecuted? >> but if we don't prosecute people will we not be tacitly allowing people to get away with under ashley constitution? all of your points are powerful. i am not 100% p certain how to move forward.

. >> the response was quite amazing, whether it was airborne response, waterboard response, or trucks and cars that drove here. the response was everything you could ask it to be. and a quicker response could not have happened and would not have made any difference in terms of saving the people. >> several people saw the tragic events unfolding. witnesses at a nearby dock said they heard the helicopter spluttering before it came down. >> its but around a few times, and it slipped over with the nose facing towards queens. >> 'new yorker"'s business guys makes this city vulnerable for air accidents. in 2009, a plane collided with a helicopter over the hudson river, killing nine people. it is not clear what caused this crash, but air safety officials have started to investigate. markets george, abc news, washington. >> this will bring some breaking news. comments coming from the imf. the unions in greece are protesting against austerity measures. has been reported the imf is calling for an end to euro-zone monetary tightening. it is also warning that world recession cannot be ruled out i

although the most famous one of all i will say waterboarding.i literally had never heard of and didn't know what it was until it became a public issue several years later. i am speaking about 2002 when i was involved. so i just finished an interrogation session and i walked out of this facility and i stood at a window looking at this desolate surroundings, a loan for a moment. and i thought well, when the post-interrogation meeting had ended as we meet with officers to see how things had gone what we should do next and whether we should raise the temperature or change the noise, all of the soundtrack. i walked out and i stood alone by a window, staring out into the dim and fading light. i still had to drive back to the compound where we all per -- slept in work and i wanted to get back if at all possible before dark. i had many hours of work back at the station writing cables come intelligence reports, taking care of administrative details. nothing moved that i could see. the landscape is barren under low clouds. what have i become? what had my

pre-election fever grips russia with president vienna forced to clarify both his power swap plans with waterboarding and the sudden departure of moscow's a long standing finance minister. greece on the brink in new dad and specter scramble to secure more bailout cash for the calming economy with just a week to go till the meltdown with a french president warning of a new global crisis. and that explosive stand observation blockades at a disputed border post in northern possible are ahead by nato troops leaving several people injured. parties interview was linguist author and the mit professor is coming up for you next.

for her looks i still see how that kind of torture is i would say it's pretty much on par with waterboarding i mean to me they seem exactly the same you know i mean i think guy who painted our house a while ago listen to rush limbaugh and it was like every time you know i just have to get out of here i have to get out there and i'm going to go there but i experience is all the time when you're taxicabs around washington d.c. people whether it whether it's a sermon or rush limbaugh are n.p.r. very sorry larry somebody is always going to be a problem i never know it to be a sermon or i hear a lot of a lot of n.p.r. and a lot of ron paul i was listening to you last night in a taxi ok really quickly i don't know if you've ever done this but apparently midget tossing is a thing. i had no idea that was a thing but a republican in florida is trying to lift the ban on midget tossing because he thinks there's going to be a job creator oh grissom dr phil i think that sex is worth five maybe a dozen if they are consenting adults who are being paid i don't see anything wrong with that i don't see any di

you've got tom i don't understand you were beside yourself upset that dick cheney justified the waterboarding of foreign terrorists and you should be foaming at the mouth if your believe in your liberal beliefs and believe that what the president did was wrong that this president should be subject to impeachment brite if you're going to stand up for the constitutional rights of this guy i hope you'll come out for gay marriage and i hope you come out for all of the other constitutional rights that are tonight for millions of americans you know gay marriage and the constitution you show it to me i have a problem because your candidates and their what in the senate we're going to listen to. ron paul said this sort of bad president here's what gary johnson another republican presidential candidate would say. this is the first u.s. citizen that has ever been targeted for death by the united states government so this is this is unprecedented and. certainly at best have mixed feelings about this this is why this country was a stablished was you can't have a government going through the countryside r

. >> bob: why don't you waterboard them! >> dana: all right.ed about the stories coming out about the schools that are banning the costume or celebration altogether. the state representative in connecticut thinks he has a perfect solution. he wants to make the last saturday of october halloween, before thursday of -- third thursday is thanksgiving. would you support this idea? >> eric: a great idea. it's nice. saturday night, trick or treating. >> bob: this is safe. not as many cars on the road. who made halloween a holiday? >> eric: exactly. >> andrea: all hallow's eve. >> greg: if i go out and offer candy i'd get arrested. >> bob: i wouldn't trick-or-treat at your door. >> dana: how do you trick-or-treat in new york with apartments? i'll find out. that's it f

terrible because waterboarding but this is shift justice.ne, baby, drone. .9-millimeters in the street of tripoli and that's okay. >> bob: hussein tried by group of his peers? >> eric: he absolutely was. was he not? >> dana: the thing about hussein and dictators, they no peers. they hold themselves above all others and rule with iron fist. sometimes one said find nelson mandela of iraq and get it said. he said because mandela is dead. everybody is like did he die? but he meant anyone who would have been a peace-maker or considered a peer had been killed along the way. egypt example is good one. institution trusted the most in egypt was the military. is the military going to allow for democratic rule? the bigger problem underlying all of this is the economic anxiety of people who are 50 to 60% unemployed across the middle east. >> andrea: that is still underlying though dictators were removed. you made a point that obama is a warrior. i give him credit in this instance. if you look at the policies that he pursued that were successes, it was a

. >> the department memos were criticized for using waterboarding stated it's important to have somensparency because the president is likely going to face the same decision in the future [ this next headline reads like blast from the past. the speaker of the house wants the president to get tough with the russians but it happened today two decades after the end of the cold war. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has details from capitol hill. >> russian prime minister vladimir putin's plan to return to serving as president should cause the obama administration to reconsider the policy toward moscow. >> russia's use of old tools and old thinking we see nothing short of attempt to restore soviet style and power and influence. >> boehner suggests the obama administration reset of relations with russia hasn't produced much in the way of results. on iran he must stop watering down the sanctions and recognize they're a dangerous source of stability. >> we should do more to curtail kremlin to curtail the relationship with iran particularly related to the nuclear program and mis

alvarez was a member of the waterboard in california. he said he was wounded as a marine and received a medal of honor, the military's highest award. that was not the case. he never even served in the military. there about 40 other cases pending. who knew they lied about this kind of thing. it is striking that this would be a free speech issue. this is a false claim. i thought when you fill out an application you sign and say everything on this document is true. >> right. that may be a different set of circumstances if under oath and subject to penalties of perjury, you were to make such a statement. i think you would still be prosecuted independent of stolen valor. interestingly i spoke to a man who said since the take down of bin laden, we have all sorts of guys trolling around and saying they are navy s.e.a.l. when is they never stepped foot close. this brings out a lot of bad behavior. >> this is a hot topic. thanks for bringing it. >> coming up, first lady michelle obama shifts into campaign mode. the personable first lady will get

they got the lease to that property could have come out with a spray thing and painted over it, waterboardingwant to, juan. i think it was a mistake until he talked to perry. give me that courtesy. what i'm saying to you as it was reported in the "the washington post" indicates it was painted over, still visible and the idea is that perry and his family did nothing about it for a long period of time, bill. >> that's not what the story says. it says it's murky about who did what. it doesn't say they didn't do anything for a long period of time. >> they didn't remove it. >> bill: removing and it painting it over. i don't know how big the rock was or anything like that. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> bill: let's get to the class warfare deal. you think that -- i don't think this going to work for the democrats next year. i don't think people are going to go, except for the solid, you know, liberal we got to change the system, it's not fair, those folks, if you are going to vote for barack obama no matter what. the independent minded people, i don't think they like this class warfare stuff, juan. >> wel

there was no torture, coercion, or waterboarding involved. director robert mueller described it this way, "over a period of time we have been successful in obtaining intelligence not just on day one but on day two, day three, day four, day five, and down the road. and let me remind you, mr. abdulmutallab is associated with al qaeda, the very type of terrorist that would be precluded from an f.b.i. investigation and an article 3 court prosecution by the ayotte amendment. how did this happen? you know how if happened? instead of using coercive tech negs, the obama administration convinced abdulmutallab's family to come to the united states. and his family set down with him and told him, why don't you cooperate with the f.b.i., and he did. that's a very different approach from what we saw in previous administrations when course of techniques are used. -- when coercive techniques were used. but it is not like the tv program "24." here's what we learned during the bush administration. in real life, people will say mig to make the pain stop. they w

. >> bill: mary katharine and waterboarding. >> curious a lot of republicans are mad at the idea thatall street got bailed out. >> bill: i'm mad, too i don't want those people. i'm mad, too. but those people are way too much. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. steve jobs, did very a religious conversion shortly before he died? we will tell what you we know. bernie goldberg on bernie's economic problems and the mainstream media's take. we hope you stay tuned to those reports. >> bill: personal story segment tonight, are american boys in trouble? many things have changed in boy land. used to be a rough and tumble place. in this p.c. age, boy stuff is frowned upon in many precincts. what are the implications of that for the country? with us now dr. william bennett former secretary of education under president reagan. author of the book of man, readings on the path to manhood. so, doctor, what is the central theme? what are you trying to get across. >> there the central theme of the book is that we have gotten off the path. it takes intentional effort to turn boys i

some say, you know, waterboard wall street. you know, so i think there is sort of a sense of a plague on both of their houses and we, the people is what they are saying, need some action. they are not really getting into the ins and outs of who is supposed to act first, what particular action they are supposed to take. what they are saying is, as if you will, consumers of the end product, they don't like what they've gotten. they don't like what they are seeing. they don't have a lot of trust it's going to be done properly and they want an entirely new way of approaching this so that in the end, there will be jobs. it goes way beyond passage of a particular bill. >> thank you, errol lewis on the field, on the scene. we appreciate that. >> thanks, don. >>> libya's new leaders say they are in the final stages of controlling moammar gadhafi's hometown of sirte. >>> and my conversation about poverty across america. ♪ kingdoms and queens ♪ they all bow down to you ♪ ♪ branches and ranch hands ♪ are bowin', too ♪ and i've taken off..

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he's had three years at this point and under the best case scenario, he waterboarded mark zandi and othery what's the most optimistic scenario? the economy will still be in bad shape a year from now. what he has to hope for is that everything is trending in the right direction, that something comes along because of his jobs program or some other factor that shows some job improvement. even if unemployment is still above 8%, he has to argue things are better, not worse. >> and will he be able to argue that? >> well, i think if policymakers do a few right things over the next few months, not only, unfortunately, here in the u.s. but also in europe because europe is a very large problem as well, i think the economy should be moving more clearly in the right direction a year from now. but it is a close call. under the best of circumstances, i don't think we're below a 9% unemployment rate. >> that would be extraordinary. no president since roosevelt in '36 had to deal with anything like that. >> little more on this when we get back. we have to take a quick break. oy some camouflage pants but

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caller: how can he kill people like awlaki and be against waterboarding?e are moving all host: want to caller: he was a u.s. citizen that was never tried it. we have no idea what crimes he committed. they just executed them based on false information. the obama administration claimed that they wanted to be transparent. host: what about the fact that he was out of country? caller: as an american, the not have the right to live anywhere you wish? he was of yemeni dissent. there is nothing wrong with that. and honestly, that caller saying that we were getting rid of the enemy in this of that, our government has never given that information. it is feeding into people's fears. host: a little information about the drone. it cost $5 million. it carried two hellfire missiles which is in the accompanying photo. it goes up to 135 m.p.h. and can stay airborne for up to 40 hours. manhattan, new york, rob, the democrats' line. caller: this was a known enemy and a known terrorist. the government has a lot of the information's about this guy. i do not think there is any

interrogation techniques under the detainee treatment act that were classified, that were not waterboarding within our values, but they were techniques available to our intelligence community, senator chambliss overseas, that will allow them over time to acquire good intelligence. one of the reasons we captured -- killed bin laden is because of the intelligence picture we acquired over ten years. but this president within a week said by executive order the only interrogation tool available to the united states of america is the army field manual which is online, you can go read it for yourself. mr. mccain: i ask my colleague, it's a fact, as the senator from new hampshire pointed out, that 27% of the detainees that have been released from guantanamo bay have returned to the fight. not only have they returned to the fight. the fact that they were in guantanamo gives them an automatic kind of charisma and aura and leadership in al qaeda and other terrorist organizations. and is that -- do you think the american people find that acceptable, that one out of every four that we have released from

and purges to come down to through the gulf coast transportation by land and by pipeline lil' bo waterboardingbrolan burgess and tankers we also appreciate the transcanada pipeline has agreed that initial construction if you looked at the map would be the section of the line from cushing already stored of cushing is full and more is being built. it is imperative that the bottleneck in cushing be released prior to the shipping of the oil. it's an already saturated market. the discounted price of the west texas intermediate branch north sea is evident the domestic independent has been and would be adversely affected and this is not the case. on a personal note, and i am from south texas, fifth generation. my father was a veteran, three of my brothers were in the service, my cousins are in iraq, my brother-in-law is there. i do not want my brothers and sisters, cousins, uncles, friends, texans, american boys to go to iraq and afghanistan. i support the building of the pipeline from canada. thank you paris to mix the for. [applause] >> mr. morgan? >> my name is d-nd morgan m-o-r-g-a-n. i served in

interrogation techniques under the detainee treatment act that were classified, that were not waterboarding within our values, but they were techniques available to our intelligence community, senator chambliss overseas, that will allow them over time to acquire good intelligence. one of the reasons we captured -- killed bin laden is because of the intelligence picture we acquired over ten years. but this president within a week said by executive order the only interrogation tool available to the united states of america is the army field manual which is online, you can go read it for yourself. mr. mccain: i ask my colleague, it's a fact, as the senator from new hampshire pointed out, that 27% of the detainees that have been released from guantanamo bay have returned to the fight. not only have they returned to the fight. the fact that they were in guantanamo gives them an automatic kind of charisma and aura and leadership in al qaeda and other terrorist organizations. and is that -- do you think the american people find that acceptable, that one out of every four that we have released from

such as waterboarding. but real-life -- real life isn't the tv show "24." on tv when jack bower tortures somebody the suspect immediately admits everything he knows. here's what we learned during the previous administration. in real life, when people are tortured, they'll lie. they'll lie and say anything to make the pain stop. oftentimes they provide false information, not valuable intelligence. richard clark was senior counterterrorism advisor to president clinton and president george w. bush. here's what he said about the obama administration's approach. "the f.b.i. is good at getting people to talk. they've been much more successful of previous attempts of torturing people and trying to get information that way." end of quote. many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle argued that abdel metaleb should have been held in military detention as a enemy gatt combath pant. here's what attorney general holder said. since the 2001 attacks the practice of the u.s. government followed by prior and current administrations without a single exception has b

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