court of the geneva convention waterboarding is torture and according to our own laws it is like the detaining treatment act of twenty two thousand and five in the military commissions act of two thousand and six waterboarding is explicitly against the law it that's exactly what bush and cheney did and we have their confessions on videotape. but nothing is happening no police outside of bush's ranch in texas actually no he's live in a fancy community no criminal investigation prosecution of bush and cheney is not on attorney general eric holder's agenda and. even before he was sworn into office back in january two thousand and nine president obama nixed any hopes that these men would be held accountable here in the united states. don't believe that anybody has both the law on the other and i also have a belief that we need to look forward as lows as opposed to looking looking backwards that doesn't mean that if somebody has blatantly broken the law but they are above the law but my orientation is going to be to move. someone who has blatantly broken the law but the president is still

enhanced interrogation or waterboarding at the time and basically said that he supported it but then where does the story come in with him leaking cia analysts names their identities to the press. yeah at that point everyone thought he was just spreading propaganda for the cia because he was putting the best spin on the on waterboarding just as the whole destroyed tape thing came out but the allegations do go back to that same time period two thousand and seven two thousand and eight and ultimately what d.o.j. was investigating is how some get most detainees found out the identities of people who were on the torture teams one of them was martina's the other one nobody disclosed his identity yet. kiriakou has been charged with leaking it anyway and so they went back and tried to figure out how these detainee lawyers found out and ultimately curious who is the one source that they came up with. and they you know they partly pointed to a new york times article that may have been investigated two thousand as well but you know one of the things that they're arguing is that syria who lied

in your view we should still be using enhanced interrogation yes should we still be waterboarding terror suspects i would strongly support using it again if circumstances are gross where we had a high value detainee and that was the only way with getting to talk people call it torture you think it should still be a tool yes yes torture again and again and again as much torture as it takes here of the two most powerful men in america for eight years admitted on national television that not only did they authorize a form of torture that we as a nation tried and executed filipinos for doing to our soldiers in the spanish-american war and we tried and executed japanese for doing a world war two and both of these american war criminals so they do it again if they could according to the geneva convention waterboarding is torture and according to our own laws it is like the detaining treatment act of twenty two thousand and five in the military commissions act of two thousand and six waterboarding is explicitly against the law it that's exactly what bush and cheney did and we have their confess

frank's waterboarding dee. you guys?! you took the van?! well, hell, yeah. oh, my god, i just realized something. frank is the muscle. what? the reason that (bleep) hasn't been working out for us is because we are not working with our full crew. i'm the brains, you're the looks, charlie's the wild card, and frank is the muscle. well, what's dee? - she's the useless chick. - ah! yeah! you see? we complete it! we all complete the team! now, if we stick together, guys, we can do anything. now, question: frank, does that waterboard really work? (laughs) you bet your ass! i got dee to admit to things she never did! well, then it works. ha, ha! all right, then, gentlemen, i got a new plan. ("ghostbusters" theme playing) (tires screeching) okay, now, once we get to bruce's, we slip in and we grab him. shouldn't you guys have gotten these barrels out of the van before we got in? they're really heavy, dee. we've already had to do it, like, a million times. where'd you get the money for this gas? dee, will you shut up and let me continue?! now, frank, when we get back

. >> rose: you have n doubt waterboarding is torture? >> if you're asking my persona opinion in the context of interrogation i would put it up there with torture. >> rose: and do you have a position o the interrogation that the c.i.a. did or others did for the c.i.a. that we got a huge amount of information from muhammad? >> from khalid sheikh mohammed? i would question the theory that we got a huge amount of information because if we had to waterboard somebody 73 times, was it really working? >> yeah. >> rose: and that's a question that investigators who wereot using those tools and got admissions from other people, extensive admissions, would disagree with but the hardest part is i talked to colleagues at the c.i.a. who i truly respect for their courage, their heroism, where they've been d what they've done who swear by this stuff and i've talked to colleagues at the f.b.i. who say these guys don't know what they're doing and we've been interrogating people to get tm to admit thehings they shouldn't for a hundred years. we didn't just

full fair and open trials my policy had been we were not going to use any evidence obtained by waterboarding or any of the other enhanced interrogation techniques that most people call torture and i had support above me for doing that then in the summer of two thousand and seven some new people came in and said wait a minute president bush said we don't torture so president bush says we don't torture who are you to say that we do and we've got all this information that was collected that you're not using you need to get in there and use it and that was when i felt that our commitment to full fair and open trials had diminished and i submitted my resignation what would you say to those who claim the difference between president obama and president bush as far as their anti-terrorism policy is bush would detain the suspects torture them prosecute them president obama just kills them doesn't have to go into all that detention trouble less certainly i think there's some facts to support that perception and i said candidate obama you know said all the right things about justice and american value

you saw recently in the republican presidential debates or candidate said they would resume waterboarding so you know we love to criticize other countries. but we're not so good at holding up the mirror torso. well we're always interested know what you think in today we're asking when do you believe guantanamo bay will finally close will to voice your opinion go to r.t. dot com and participate in our latest global poll is look at the results so far on screen fifty nine percent of those who responded believe that the u.s. has no interest in shutting it down in the quarter a convince that will be shot when the u.s. can no longer afford to run it and some fiddle only happen when washington builds a new prison somewhere else and just two percent think all terrorists will have to be defeated first dot com cast your vote there check out our online news coverage including. the story about an anonymous group famous for fueling protests across the globe is calling for the entire us nation to rise up against a controversial national defense act and protect the american constitution. and also in lin

yes, i would because waterboarding does not kill anyone. is it uncomfortable?uncomfortable but i am more concerned that we would prevent aircraft from going into the twin towers, taking them down, and taking out 3000 innocent american lives than i am about the comfort level of a terrorist. and what that means for them because again, this is done under monitored conditions. is it uncomfortable, yes, i do not deny that it is uncomfortable but a person is not going to lose their life nor will they be permanently injured or permanently impaired by this. and it is done on very unique strict circumstances. and here is the other problem. what is it that president obama is doing today? we no longer have interrogators and the cia. cia interrogators are no longer able to deal with enemy combatants. all we have is the army field manual and republish it online. so any terrorist can see what is going to happen to them when they are captured. and in effect, they know exactly what we're going to do to them. so they do not fear. there is no fear, there is no respect for the un

full fair and open trials my policy had been we were not going to use any evidence obtained by waterboarding or any of the other enhanced interrogation techniques that most people call torture but it seems that were a champion of the rule of law when we're trying to apply it to others not so much when. we're looking at in the mirror at ourselves the convention against torture for instance we're signatory to that. piece all recently of the republican presidential debates where candidates said they would resume waterboarding so you know we love to criticize other countries. but we're not so good at holding up the mirror torso. well i we're always interested to know what you think today we're asking when do you believe guantanamo bay will finally close to voice your opinion go to. participate in our latest global poll here are the numbers for you so far. the u.s. has no interest in shutting down almost a quarter feel good when the u.s. no longer afford to run it. elsewhere and just four percent. including. protests across the globe is according to the u.s. nation to rise up against a national d

full fair and open trials my policy had been we were not going to use any evidence obtained by waterboarding or any of the other enhanced interrogation techniques that most people call torture but it seems that were a champion of the rule of law when we're trying to apply it to others not so much when. we're looking at in the mirror at ourselves the convention against torture for instance we're signatory to that if you use all recently the republican presidential debates where candidates said they would resume waterboarding so you know we love to criticize other countries. but we're not so good at holding up the mirror torso. well we're always interesting getting your opinion here in our to today we are asking you when do you believe the guantanamo bay will finally close voice your opinion at r.t. dot com participate now if you can on our latest worldwide poll bring up the numbers now from our web site this hour about sixty one percent of those who responded believe the u.s. has no interest in shutting down less than a quarter of you feel that will happen when washington builds a new prison

a lot of those killed a number of people claim that evidence for his location was obtained by waterboarding but that's been completely debunked it's simply not true when you obtain information through harsh interrogation techniques or through torture very very often it's completely false and even if some of it is accurate it wastes an incredible amount of time and resources as people try to track down that information and find out whether it's accurate safe lawful humane interrogation techniques are what actually work. looks as if it's here to stay for a while you being from human rights watch your expertise on this matter do you think that all the public scrutiny and the international criticism and of course the domestic criticism do you think there will be anything different in the way detainees will be handled in the future there. well what we hope is that one tunnel will close and it is clear that it is not about to close any time soon the u.s. congress has made it very difficult the president signed into law the restrictions that make it very difficult nevertheless guantanamo remains a

it didn't like waterboarding, i thought it was torture, too. but i wouldn't leak on it.son and dealt with. >> andrea: justice administration that also is going after c.i.a. officials. holder was prosecuting them. >> eric: very important. the important distinction to be made, early on in the obama administration, they went after them for enhanced interrogation. >> bob: obama stopped that, though. >> dana: an hour after you are responsible i responsible il office. >> greg: we're lauding a president for con everyone is tiff, republican position. why don't we all just become republican and conservatives. >> bob: i could tell you why but i don't want to get in trouble anymore. >> dana: we have to go. we all agree on that. that was interesting. sean penn, star of the new movie greg is decided to see discovered that there is a new disease out there. we'll tell you what that is. stay tuned next. ♪ ♪ y my [ male announcer ] let's level the playing field. take the privileged investing tools of wall street and make them simple, intuitive, and available to all. distill all that data

i mean, our government, you know, basically, waterboarding is legal, right? it's legal to waterboard someone. a live person. it's not legal to urinate on a dead person. and for a soldier, that's a confusing message to sort out. there's been a lot of messages from senior administration officials in the past ten years, it's pretty dehumanizing of our enemy. it's like the children are listening and these young people absorb that and it comes out in these weird ways. i think we all do bear some responsibility. >> all right. and they are young. doesn't excuse. >> these guys were 10 years old in 9/11, so they've been listening to the political conversation for ten years. what do you make of water boarding in the context of this. which is worse, basically? >> interesting thought. appreciate you taking the time and let us know what you think is worse and what you think of the video that you saw there. >> next, why did mississippi governor haley barbour pardon rapists and murderers. and he made headlines when he was arrested on murder charges. dsk is back, andio won't