>> well, more people were waterboarded in this room than we waterboarded in the whole time-- >>> the time only one who liked it was colonel north. i'm sorry. we are good friends. all right. thank you for being with us. coming up next, although president obama wants to pat himself on the back of the killing of the al qaeda mastermind, the navy seals deserve all the credit. i will be joined by three former members of that group, three >> that was the only mention of the navy seals in this ad that ignited the controversy. amazingly, president clinton sounded more concerned about the political consequences was the mission than the safety of the seals. i am very proud to be joined by three members of that elite fighting group. and they are hear to talk about the mission of bin laden. howard wasdin, and author of seal target jeron no and the element commander of seal team 6 is here and the head instructor, brandon webb. thanks for being with us. i want to throw this question at all you of you. this is important. so many navy seals, former chairman of the joint chiefs, others, are furious o

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rodriguez, do not use waterboarding or i object to waterboarding or waterboarding is torture. say that? >> she did not. what did she say about the technique? >> she did not say a word about the technique. actually, the way i remember this is that we talked about other potential techniques that we were going to use. and she objected to those. >> like what? >> there was a talk about mock execution. and, you know, we never. >> you said you might do this kind of stuff. >> she said that i object to waterboarding you are 100% positive she did not raise objection to it. >> i'm 100% positive. >> you know alli sufan is he wrote a book too. >> yes. >> bill: he says you are a screw up, mr. rodriguez. here is what he says. zubada gave up valuable information to the fbi, interrogators including information about khalid sheikh mohammed they obtained information that led the cia and the fbi to capture jose padilla, okay? the american guy in chicago then he says when the cia interrogation team headed by you, mr. rodriguez, used enhanced interrogation techniques, zubada stopped cooperating. >>

rodriguez, do not use waterboarding or i object to waterboarding or waterboarding is torture. did she say that? >> she did not. what did she say about the technique? >> she did not say a word about the technique. actually, the way i remember this is that we talked about other potential techniques that we were going to use. and she objected to those. >> like what? >> there was a talk about mock execution. and, you know, we never. >> you said you might do this kind of stuff. >> she said that i object to waterboarding you are 100% positive she did not raise objection to it. >> i'm 100% positive. >> you know alli sufan is he wrote a book too. >> yes. >> bill: he says you are a screw up, mr. rodriguez. here is what he says. zubada gave up valuable information to the fbi, interrogators including information about khalid sheikh mohammed they obtained information that led the cia and the fbi to capture jose padilla, okay? the american guy in chicago then he says when the cia interrogation team headed by you, mr. rodriguez, used enhanced interrogation techniques, zubada stopped coopera

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if your waterboarding somebody and they are naked, of course.t was a concern of mine, yes. ♪ >> the trial of khalid shaikh mohammed and the alleged 9/11 plotters will arrau's conflicting memories. -- will bring conflicting memories to the memories of the 3000 lives lost on 9/11 and memories of the methods used in america's name to bring those responsible to justice. >> . taylor reporting. in france, the outcome of the presidential election has been attributed by many to the strength and influence of the far-right national front. they won nearly a fifth of the votes cast in the first round of the elections, and nicolas sarkozy president to cozy up to some of their supporters split his party. now instead of turning to the usual journalist, a cultural commentators, and political has- beens, my colleague jeremy paxman has been speaking to a soccer player from the english premier league. the french international striker. >> what you think about the fact that one in five of your countrymen and women voted for them? >> it is unpleasant. you know. it is

but a former cia operative who waterboard waterboarded -- >>> that's one neighbor potentially of incoming hooters restaurant. why some people want it and some people don't. it's wednesday, may 2nd, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. new questions this morning about america's longest running war after a trip to afghanistan by president obama. the unannounced visit to kabul was full of secrecy and symbolism, be but not very many specifics. a tough reminder that there's a long way to go in that country. suicide car bomber and taliban militants disguised attacked a housing compound. nick paton walsh is live with us. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it appears the suicide bomber drove a car full of explosives into what's known as the green village here. close to the center of kabul, a place where many foreign contractors and ex-pats live in supposed maximum security and safety. it's unclear what happened after this initial explosion. some suggestion guards shot back and suggestions other attackers disguised in the head to toe female garments distinctive to a

he was waterboarded by interrogators 183 times.pentagon officials predict it will be at least another year before the five go on trial. then there's mohammed al qahtani, the so-called "20th hijacker" who didn't make it onto the planes. lawyers from the center for constitutional rights have filed suit in new york federal court to make public what they described as "extremely disturbing" videotapes of his interrogations. he remains in indefinite detention, as does abu zubaydah. just this week a federal appeals court refused to release information on the interrogation methods the cia used on abu zubaydah and other terrorist suspects. as for john yoo, the architect of the august 2002 memo that authorized waterboarding -- he's teaching law at the university of california, berkeley and no doubt breathing easier after a recent appeals court rejected a lawsuit from american citizen jose padilla, who's currently serving time for allegedly aiding terrorists. he accused john yoo of giving the go-ahead for torture. two final thoughts -- at our

when you're going to waterboard somebody.nd the back and you lean them back. >> first of all, i was not the actual person doing the waterboarding. i was the person in charge of it all. the person lays down inclined with his feet up making sure that no water gets in the lungs and then water is poured from a distance of about a foot and the water pouring very specific guidance in the legal opinion says you can do it for up to 40 seconds but in reality it was mostly ten seconds. water is poured. there is -- the airflow is restricted and there's a sensation of drowning. >> how quickly do they give you information? >> it depends. there were some detainees that actually in a few days they were cooperating. be mindful that waterboarding was only done on three occasions to three persons who have american blood on their hands. in most cases a few days. in case of khalid shaikh mohammed, a couple of weeks. two or three weeks. >> how did you decide who would be the ones that would be waterboarded and who would not? >> usually, of course

i have read the memos about waterboarding and they are not torture. so did a lot of lawyer and it is justice department and the defense department and the state department. i love how it's such a clear call. you are right. let's step back and take a look at it. this last week has been about president obottom ahotdogs decision and how he had such courage to stand up to vice-president biden's suggestion that we ought to remove bin laden, dropping precision-guided emissions from 40,000 feet. this was a great, courageous act that he stood up to his own vice-president and said, no, i am going to order in the seal team. what we have not talked about and spent far too little time othe intelligence operatives whose hard work over years helped us track down osa bin laden. the asset wiese had in pakistan and elsewhere, who helped the united states find this brutal killer. the seal team, the pilots, all of those who planned and executed this mission have sort of gone back into the shadows as president obama's put a big colleague light on -- light on himself to p

. >> i don't think we need waterboarding to save lives. was there. i testified under oath. my statement is still the only statement under oath about the facts of what happened on that site. >> laura: after bill's interview with soufan rodriguez offered this retort writing quote: if you want to argue that the information gained from these terrorists was not worth the black eye that the united states got when the interrogation techniques leaked and were mischaracterized in the media, be my guest. but if you want to argue that no critical information was gained from them, save your breath because you're wrong, unquote. and in a moment, the jury in the john edwards case wrapped up day two of deliberations. are all sides pointing to a conviction? we're going to debated it coming up. if you have copd like i do, you know how hard it can be to breathe and what that feels like. copd iludes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiva helps corol my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the

weren't doing waterboarding. you were intier getting as you would anywhere? >> yes. >> bill: can you tell me it was overseas? >> overseas. >> bill: pulled you 00. rodriguez and his guys went in and they wausharaed zubaydah and they say the information they got from zubaydah led to the capture of other terrorists including khalid sheikh mohammed. >> well that is factually not the truth either. >> how do you know that though? >> i'm still working with the military commissions on the guantanamo bay. i know the information we got after. everything they told us about the efficacy of enhanced interrogation techniques so far. i was there when we get the information. number two, that has been discredited what mr. rodriguez is saying. >> not to me though and that's the important thing for you tonight. here is my problem. i don't want to take sides on this because i wasn't there you should know that i do agree with enhanced interrogation. >> i know. >> at some point. all right. but you weren't there, physically, when zubaydah was being wausharaed. >> waterboarded. >> b

the cia did waterboard three people. but think of how that's all been conflated and think of how the general opinion in america is about waterboarding and guantanamo bay, which is in my view one of the truly impressive prison systems in the world. zawahiri once said, "more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media. we are in the media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of muslims." lawfare, briefly. what is it? what's happening is that increasingly lawyers and prosecutors are using the concept of universal jurisdiction to file lawsuits against u.s. government officials and military personnel. they're putting american officials and intelligence officials at risk of legal action in an attempt to intimidate them and their families to alter the behavior of theirs and of our countries. it is in effect an tempt to criminalize policy differences. it's a trend to subordinate the american people, their elected leaders' actions, as well as the u.s. military to foreign courts and rogue prosecut

the two toughest ones are sleep deprivation and waterboarding.ivation can be difficult, yes. and waterboarding actually is based on a program that is used in the u.s. to train servicemen so that they can understand what it is like to be waterboarded and it's based on that program. >> why did you destroy the tapes if they're so wimpy, why destroy the tapes of these interrogations? what were you concerned about? >> i was concerned for the safety of my officers who were in the same room that will their faces, their identities would be known to al qaeda and to the whole world. and that they will were -- would be -- there would be retributions against them and their families. >> i know that the head of the director of national intelligence john negroponte specifically said the tapes should not be destroyed. also a letter from jane harman dated february 10th, 2003. and in that letter to the agency she said even if the videotape does not constitute an official record, that must be preserved under the law. the videotape would be the best proof that the w

. >> i don't think we need waterboarding to save lives.i testified under oath. my statement is still the only statement under oath about the facts of what happened on that site. >> laura: after bill's interview with soufan rodriguez offered this retort writing quote: if you want to argue that the information gained from these terrorists was not worth the black eye that the united states got when the interrogation techniques leaked and were mischaracterized in the media, be my guest. but if you want to argue that no critical information was gained from them, save your breath because you're wrong, unquote. and in a moment, the jury in the john edwards case wrapped up day two of deliberations. are all sides pointing to a conviction? we're going to debated it coming up. american innovation. 29 years ago, it helped us invent the minivan. ♪ today dodge grand caravan is the most awarded minivan ever. ♪ who knows where innovation can take us next? ♪ directions to the moon. ♪ of single mile credirds. battle speech right? may i? [ horse neighs ] or

weren't doing waterboarding. you were intier getting as you would anywhere?ll: can you tell me it was overseas? >> overseas. >> bill: pulled you 00. rodriguez and his guys went in and they wausharaed zubaydah and they say the information they got from zubaydah led to the capture of other terrorists including khalid sheikh mohammed. >> well that is factually not the truth either. >> how do you know that though? >> i'm still working with the military commissions on the guantanamo bay. i know the information we got after. everything they told us about the efficacy of enhanced interrogation techniques so far. i was there when we get the information. number two, that has been discredited what mr. rodriguez is saying. >> not to me though and that's the important thing for you tonight. here is my problem. i don't want to take sides on this because i wasn't there you should know that i do agree with enhanced interrogation. >> i know. >> at some point. all right. but you weren't there, physically, when zubaydah was being wausharaed. >> waterboarded. >> bill: rodriguez

if it includes waterboarding you can have my tub and mr. bubble. i'm with you.bob gets mad at me, torture was not okay under bush. now it's okay under obama rule. same with gitmo. not a big deal anymore. >> bob: rodrigues was a patriot. he was the first clandestine operative to come out publicly. i'm surprised they allowed him to write the book. number two, he did say about zabeda he was very sick. they brought in doctors to save his life. then they ward boarded him. does that make sense? >> eric: yeah. >> bob: he was -- >> eric: please explain to me how waterboarding is bad and evil and torture. blowing him away from the air is okay? mos >> bob: most of the intelligence to bin laden came from many prisoners. not just one. >> greg: ksm lost 50 pounds. what is his name? j-rod, he should write a diet book. >> dana: she said later on that the cia lied. they back track if you remember. he wanted to put the truth out there. >> andrea: president obama was briefed on the remaining terror technique in place. and said they seemed surprised they were minimal. so really, i

bush stopped the waterboarding. >> the technique was not waterboarding in this instance.t was a combination of indefinite detention. the person who said this was just interviewed on "60 minutes" sunday night, who just wrote a book about this. >> that's the guy that also destroyed the videotape of the enhanced interrogation. >> that's correct. that doesn't change the fact of what information was derived to help get bin laden. the point, again, is the cia professional did this, the navy s.e.a.l.s did this and several presidents, president clinton did his best unsuccessfully, president bush did his best unsuccessfully, president obama was able to get the actual intelligence that none of his predecessors had. he gets the credit for it. he made the decision under his watch. >> the president should get the credit -- >> he could have taken credit for it without attacking mitt romney, that's where he messed up. if he wants to attack mitt romney in october, he would have been on higher ground. using the anniversary of the killing of bin ladin is a terrible mistake. president obama