waterboarded.etainee who was subjected to it before we had to suspend the program. it stopped midstream. it earned him a footnote in history, i suppose. this issue of numbers, how many times, how many times they were they waterboarded, this arose in 2004. it was by the obama administration when he came into office. it depends on the way you count them. the actual applications lasted matter of seconds. if you think he was left at 83 sessions, i do not want to say that what these guys went through was not very aggressive. it simply, those numbers are just way out of bounds and had been misinterpreted in subsequent years to as to the particular organizations. >> one of the startling statistics is that there are journalists who have submitted to waterboarding to show how bad it is rather than terrorists. >> for the record, that was not me. i was not that into my legal research. tens of thousands of american servicemen have been waterboarded. right now the only people we still waterboard are american pe

there were actually couple that i always thought were worse than waterboarding one was sleep deprivation and i don't mean sleep deprivation for forty eight hours i mean sleep deprivation for something like two weeks with no sleep with heavy metal music blasting into your cell. you actually lose your mind with that kind of sleep deprivation and some of these prisoners got to the point where they were unable to participate in their own defenses because they couldn't think straight for the lack of sleep and the other one was what was called the cold so they would put a prisoner into a cell that was chilled to fifty or fifty five degrees and then throw ice water on them every hour to just terrible treatment and to what end i'm there's no evidence that that any of these techniques ever resulted in actionable. intelligence intelligence that that led to the disruption of a terrorist attack no evidence whatsoever not some of the prosecutors in this case so what they're saying is that you are seeking fame by and by disclosing information and i was building a consulting business all they had to do

violating the espionage act kiriakou was the first cia official to publicly confirm the use of waterboarding and other tactics he describes as torture under the bush administration but his supporters believe he's being unfairly targeted and punished for blowing the whistle on this government practice john kiriakou himself joins us now in one of his. final interviews before he goes to print that along with javelin radicals is attorney really appreciate you both being here today no time is for me is of the essence for you want to start off by asking you about this plea deal that you struck with the government and what it is that you admitted to right i admitted to confirming the name of a former colleague to a journalist who was looking for former cia officers to interview for a book. plain and simple and this is a far cry to what the the prosecution was going after you for it of violating the espionage act doesn't it can you go into what that accusation means and what that entails sure yes a lot of people who are whistleblowers in fact six of them have been charged under the espionage act whi

he didn't say waterboarding, bob.here is a chain where enhanced interrogation led to tipping off of the courier, that there was a courier which allowed them to follow the clues to get the courier. >> eric: the obama administration -- >> bob: the obama administration let their guard down. c.i.a. has every interest in letting everybody in to promote the propaganda. >> dana: it wasn't that the administration let their guard down. the obama administration actively pursued a way to make the movie better. >> bob: fine. cover their own -- >> greg: go ahead. >> dana: i was going to make a complaint about the reporters all of a sud reason so concerned about waterboarding, yesterday on the front page of the "washington post" is a story about how obama continued secret renditions. this was the thing that tried to bring down the bush terrorist policies that protected us. god bless him. president obama decided to keep them. that has kept us safe. the sanctity moanous baloney about waterboarding -- sanctity moanous baloney about wa

i think those are worse than waterboarding.hese are techniques that we have condemned in other countries -- the japanese did this during the second world war, the belgians did in africa earlier in the century, the chinese and vietnamese did it. these are techniques we have always said were crimes against humanity. it was the after september 11 everything changed and we some how had license to do the same things we have been condemning. i thought that was wrong. former director petraeus made a statement in october when i agreed to take a plea to make these other charges go away, and he said that my conviction shows that we have to take our oaths scarcely breathed my oath was to the constitution and i took this year's leave. i put my right hand up and swore to uphold the constitution. to me, torture is unconstitutional and it is something we should not be in the business of doing. >> john kiriakou, i want to play, as president obama made four years ago shortly before he took office about whether cia officials involved in torture

as a result of waterboarding at least right now is he was the first cia officer to publicly label waterboarding as torture and his a.b.c. appearance helped reveal that waterboarding was in the stablished protocol according to curia his lawyer just one radek it was this interview that triggered the cia investigation cia filed about six or seven crimes reports say against them none of which the justice department decided to prosecute but clearly they've been gunning for him for a number here and this investigation has taken a toll on curiosity want a family lost a job because she. she was she. really wanted. in october of last year curio pled guilty to violating the intelligence identities protection act in exchange for the government dropping all other charges against him kiriakou is the only. cia officer facing jail time for any action surrounding the government's torture program i never tortured anybody. into prison while the tortures of the lawyers. and the people who deceived and the man who destroyed the proof of the tapes will never face justice in two thousand and eleven he became the six

and things like that the actual population of people who are physically waterboard is is very small and the second thing is that what we're calling torture people in their mind they're thinking about you know bamboo stuck under fingernails and people being electrocuted i think loud music people being kept awake i think the the normal sort of sort of what we want to say enhanced interrogation but i'll just say enhanced interrogation there is a war going on and where we're trying to get information of people i certainly don't support what they say colonel west did you know pretending to shoot someone in the head for information and in fact i've interviewed a witness of that and i think that sort of obviously there are things across the line but the fact of the matter is you know if you have information in a military operation you're not going to decide not to use it because you didn't get it from you know a clean source what do you think looking ahead we talked about the past looking ahead i mean is there any way you think that the u.s. government would be able to eventually shut down

agent going to prison for talking to a journalist about waterboarding. >> jon: you can waterboard we'recall but the first rule of waterboard club. >> don't talk about it. >> jon: incredible. you should see it. "zero dark thirty". it's in the theaters now. and she's on broadway.

practices like waterboarding i want to play something that he said really quick. under my administration the united states does not torture. so no torture going on really really interesting and this is timely and i want to bring it up just over the weekend a one hundred thirty nine page report came out by the united nations outlining that torture in fact does still go on in afghanistan this is a country we're trying to leave you know at the end of next year in the report one and disturbing thing i want to point out it's said many of those tortured to extract confessions were children under the age of eighteen seventy six percent of those children held in fact had reported they had experienced torture or ill treatment so even though this isn't going to happen if it's not going to happen at guantanamo bay it's still going on talk a little bit about more broadly colonel colonel davis about torture and how that is perceived well it's interesting that the theme for the inauguration yesterday was faith in america's future but you can't have faith in the future when you

linda of oakland was uncertain what she thought about waterboarding. >> it's really hard to say. >> i'mif think it's a good thing or not a good thing. >> i understand that's what you are asking me and i'm telling you it's a really hard thing to say. >> the film director said waterboarding did happen in real life and she wanted to portray that in her movie. although, before the movie came out cia told congress water board doing not provide key intelligence. in the newsroom, mark matthews, abc7 news. >> new this morning, a music video featuring a bay area 11-year-old who survived a rare blood disorder is back on youtube after the website took it down for several hours yesterday. since it originally posted in october, the video, featuring atherton's rig began smith singing "i want to know" has racked up more than 2 million hits. it was produced by a producer, wilson, who is known for viral pop music videos. youtube got questions about whether the 2 million hits were authentically generated but wilson tells our news partner they did not use spam to bump up the view count. frances dinglasan

is a program and not just a few rogue agents that waterboarding is torture as a conclusion with which our tourney general agrees and our president agrees and for that he is that's what they're really angry about which comes at a time when we have very high level cia people leaking names of undercover operatives for example from the movie zero dark thirty or leaking classified information to their mistresses all of that is going on punished which adds insult to injury and the standing double standard. and you know i can't help but think you know at the time he was he was a key source for many journalists and he was here he was talking about waterboarding about torture do you think that this would even be an issue if he was out there vocally supporting torture on the media. very good point no it would not be as evidenced by the fact that jose rodriguez who headed. our there in dition detention interrogation program wrote all about it in a book that was approved by the cia in which he divulged divulge sources and methods and he is out. on the lecture circuit talking about his book and th

nobody who was waterboarded ever gave information that led to finding bin laden. this detainee is held by the c.i.a. in the beginning of the movie. the first sleds of information that came out about the courier came from people in guantanamo, which were held by the military, not c.i.a.. so this glorify it is c.i.a.'s worst torture methods, turns it into kind of a straight line that's like a necessary evil that gets you from waterboarding to finding bin laden. i'd be surprised if many people in the country don't conclude torture is a necessary evil and that tends justify the means. >> brown: that's where i wanted to go because i you raised the it's a movie factor. it's a dramatization. and i'm thinking in my head today we saw the nominations for another historical drama "lincoln." i like many people saw it and liked it then we might realize not everything is factual there. you're suggesting that that's okay in a sense even though this is about more recent history? that we should see it as a kind of drama? >> yes, and i think that's how you should see it. i think th

nobody who was waterboarded ever gave information that led to finding bin laden.his detainee is held by the c.i.a. in the beginning of the movie. the first sleds of information that came out about the courier came from people in guantanamo which were held by the military not c.i.a.. so this glorify it is c.i.a.'s worst torture methods turns it into kind of a straight line that's like a necessary evil that gets you from waterboarding to finding bin laden. i'd be surprised if many people in the country don't conclude torture is a necessary evil and that tends justify the means. >> brown: that's where i wanted to go because i you raised the it's a movie factor. it's a dramatization. and i'm thinking in my head today we saw the nominations for another historical drama "lincoln." i like many people saw it and liked it then we might realize not everything is factual there. you're suggesting that that's okay in a sense even though this is about more recent history? that we should see it as a kind of drama? >> yes and i think that's how you should see it. i think that --

i can't help but think if you had been in the media supporting waterboarding would this be happening and i've always thought that if i had actually tortured someone i would be free today. evil i mean. do you think that the real people who oversaw codified torture john yoo alberto gonzales and donald rumsfeld shouldn't they be the one sitting in prison john think they should be the ones and there are others even if you just put aside the people who actually did the day to day torture what about the people who conceived of the policy and who implemented the policy where the attorneys that papered over it with with crazed legal analysis or the man who who destroyed evidence of the torture in the tapes he's enjoying a book tour right now and is going around washington giving speeches about how great torture is none of them are in prison and none of them will ever be prosecuted for the crimes that they've committed it's truly astounding i mean you're representing the two tiered justice system on the wrong side really showing the lawlessness the other impunity that the real tortures were c

waterboarding did not produce any actionable intelligence. it's arguable whether or not any enhanced interrogation did as well because it's all still classified. so the people trying to take two and two here and come up with four in fact is really 200. >> i'm glad you brought that up. you will want to see this. ali soufan was an interrogator for the fbi who was successful getting information from al qaeda detainees using noncoercive means. listen to what he told "60 minutes" about what happened after a cia interrogator showed up to take over the questioning of one of the detainees he'd been dealing with. >> supposedly he's an expert in the field, so i asked him, do you know anything about islamic fundamentalism? he said no. have you ever interrogated anybody? no. he basically said, no, he knows human nature. >> and how does he react to this? >> he basically stopped cooperating. >> the information dried up? >> yes, totally. >> and also in the interview with "60 minutes," jose rodriguez conceded enhanced interrogation failed to get key pieces o

it is obviously based on a true story, but the narrative strongly suggests that cia waterboarding ofsoners is what led to the killing ever bin laden. outside the amc16 in emeryville members of the world can't wait and amnesty international staged a protest, trying to dissuade moviegoers from seeing the film. they are worried the film will lead people to approve of torture. >> have we lost our senses? that's what i think when i hear this stuff and here about the glorification of torture. >> most of the people had the same reaction. >> it's not a documentary. it's basically a work of fiction. >> the filmmakers have been quick to point out that zero dark 30 is a movie, but the cia did provide some assistance and now senators, including senator dianne feinstein and john are writing the acting director with questions about what sort of access the filmmakers were given, and what information was obtained through waterboarding or other, quote, enhanced interrogation techniques. >> you believe, when watching this movie, that water boarding and torture leads to information that leads them to t

waterboarding did not produce any actionable intelligence.arguable whether or not any enhanced interrogation did as well because it's all still classified. so the people trying to take two and two here and come up with four in fact is really 200. >> i'm glad you brought that up. you will want to see this. ali soufan was an interrogator for the fbi who was successful getting information from al qaeda detainees using noncoercive means. listen to what he told "60 minutes" about what happened after a cia interrogator showed up to take over the questioning of one of the detainees he'd been dealing with. >> supposedly he's an expert in the field, so i asked him, do you know anything about islamic fundamentalism? he said no. have you ever interrogated anybody? no. he basically said, no, he knows human nature. >> and how does he react to this? >> he basically stopped cooperating. >> the information dried up? >> yes, totally. >> and also in the interview with "60 minutes," jose rodriguez conceded enhanced interrogation failed to get key pieces of info

but the important thing is that for example waterboarding. that's based on our sear training.survival evasion resistence escape. this is what we use against torture. they used the techniques that we teach our pilots to resist torture to torture. unfortunately, it didn't work. i'm not going to use specific names but the guy who notoriously was waterboarding water-boarded the most he used to count on his fingers ten seconds because he knew they would limit it to that much time. that's how he learned to resist torture. it hardened him and he gave us information that was false and it put us down a lot of false leads. others did the same thing. and others still other detainees just shut down completely when they were treated harshly. i just can't overstate that. >> john: that guy by the way owns the record of the longest waterboarding in history. allison i want to ask you one question about the problem that i have in the film. at no point does any character express any criticism of the torture. have. >> as a critic, i was wrapped up in the film. i enjoyed it immensely. i thought th

and wait until you hear what senator john mccain said about waterboarding and john kerry. good morning, i'm mara schiavocampo. a bitterly cold arctic blast is gripping half the nation this morning. exposure is suspected in at least four deaths, dangerously low temperatures is shutting down schools and causing water main breaks. on tuesday, one person was killed in this massive pile up of 20 vehicles caused by icy conditions in michigan. nbc meteorologist bill karins has more on this dangerous cold snap. where is it headed? >> it's settled in, just sitting there now. for many of us, especially on the eastern seaboard, this is the coldest morning in a couple years, especially when you factor in the windchills. here's the set up. it's not everyone. we're very mild today, great lakes, oklahoma, texas, through the gulf states, if you're on the other side of the jet stream from the northern plains, the great lakes and northeast, it's just like yesterday if not worse. the windchills this morning, right now the worst of it is in northern new england. this is just the temperatures

"i was somebody who did oppose waterboarding.ferent aspects of the enhanced interrogation program, but some aspects that i concurred with. for instance, if you grab somebody by the lapels and you say, oh, my goodness, you violated the right as a person, well, i'm not going to go that far." >>> keep in mind the white house does not use any kauvuacaveats. when asked point blank in 2011 if president obama waivered on the torture ban he signed the answer was a simple no. >>> the white house insists the brennan role in instituting the president's ban should take the issue off the table. during his confirmation hearing. but senators have indicated it will be a point of contention. david sangar is the chief washington correspondent for "new york times" someone that chronicles the security side. good morning to. >> you happy new year, chuck. great to be back with you. >> if i told you two months ago brennan to the cia and chuck hagel to the defense department. which one would you think the more controversial choice? >> well, i guess i wo

seven minutes of the film you see you see a detainee that speeding you see and she's shackled he's waterboard and there's a dog collar put around his neck he's walked around it he's walked around the room like an animal but i've seen it with a friend of mine who actually believes that is the way they get the information it's ridiculous i mean sousa movie starts this is this movie is based on true events with firsthand knowledge you know even the cia has come out that this is not the way they have the information i really believe that you put that in there you know one may get a better movie and two you know made me to make people think this is where they've gotten information but my thing is i'm afraid that people are going to see this and they're going to think that torture is even more ok that a lot of people do are to absolutely especially since they know that you know katherine bigelow met with the state department met with the white house and got this classified information of course people are going to see this and be like well it's based on true events torture worked i mean torture was

of homeland going to glorify the whole torture situation so we reduce this is doing a year of waterboarding it's like oh it's just waters it's not you know it's not twenty four were stabbed in the legs you don't we're talking like that is it said that a lot of people think that we now in this country right i mean we we've known time and time again torture does not get intelligence and so it's just such a shame to keep perpetuating this but brand i wanted to go also that you said that was actually really impacted me a lot but you said in another interview you said basically for five years i gave my best to my government and all they did was lie to me i mean looking back now brandon w m d's being completely made i mean looking back at false rhetoric about terrorism being as much of a threat as they claim it was obvious that we know that's not true i mean looking back now at all of these things what do you think these wars are really about. man i really wish i knew i wish there was a simple answer that you know of on my research just you know a lot of the plenty when it comes to iraq seems to

. >> one of the critiques of the program is that ksm underwent waterboarding and all the rest. he still lied about others. you have a fascinating story in your book about how we discovered that he was actually covering. can you fill us in? >> usually they will not give you the 100% of the information they have in their minds. it is not going to happen. this is not a "push button, get a banana type of thing." he was so vicious. they were communicating with each other. they did not think we knew. we did not tell them that we knew they were communicating with each other. we intercepted a communication between khalid sheikh mohammed and some of the other detainees in which he said "do not say a word about the courier." that told us a lot about the courier. he speaks to the importance of having a place to take the individuals. we could use that type of communication. we could use it to check a name. it was very helpful for us. >> after the osama bin laden raid came out and the word came out that interrogations played a role, senator mccain gave a speech and said that the first menti

a bunch of people approving waterboarding who were shot through the intelligence agencies, right?just freaking out about the baseball players and the example of this is this is documentary filmmaker ken burns. this is him on steroid use by baseball players. take a look. i have no guarantee that anyone you loved and think is way bof -- sorry. i have no guarantees anyone you love and think is way aboch that "didn't do it." that's why they need to wait and wait and wait because it makes it impossible for us to judge excellence in this era. those blooiv fors should suffer for a while. those mother efers should suffer for a while. what did you think by the decision of the writers not to elect anyone? >> the same writer who is in 1990's turned a blind eye while these records were being set, i thought it was a colossal sham and hypocritical for about a thousand different reasons that we could go after, not the least of where i that the baseball hall of fame is rife with players who are guilty of other kinds of transgressions, to put it mildly. so to put this kind of stamp on the 1990's t

senators say that the movie claims that waterboarding beatled to the discovery of osama bin laden. pakistani teenager shot by a taliban gunman is out of the hospital malala yousafzai was shot in the head. the attack prompted international outrage, and at the girl became a symbol of courage and hope for many trade issue will continue to receive outpatient care as she works to fully recover. adam caskey here. a brisk morning. but good things ahead. >> things will slowly warm up over the next couple of days. closer to 50 by the middle part of next week. >> i will take a 50. >> it will come with some rain. we could use some moisture. sorry, scott. this is culpeper earlier this morning right around the sunrise. thank you for posting that on my facebook page. look at that northwesterly wind, about 10 miles per hour. at times it feels like 30, and with the highest costs, it feels like the upper 20s -- the highest guessts, it feels like the upper 20s. this is frostburg, maryland. still plenty of snow on the ground in frostburg. the tarp from the construction site is flapping in the wind th

official to publicly confirm and detail the bush administration's torture program, describing the waterboardingabout cut operative abuses by that in a 2007 interview with abc news. he also is the first cia official to be jailed for any reason related to the torture, even those who carried it out. outside the courthouse, prosecutor neil macbride called kiriakou's sentence a warning to other whistleblowers. >> the judge just said in court, today sentence should be a reminder to every individual who works for the government who comes into possession of closely held sensitive information regarding the national defense or the identity of a covert agent that it is critical that information remains secure and not into the public domain are be shared with others who do not have authorized access to it. >> the judge in the case told kiriakou she would have sentenced him to more jail time if not for the limits imposed by the plea deal. kiriakou's supporters say he has been unfairly targeted in the obama administration's crackdown on government was a lower is. in a statement urging president obama to comm

. >> you believe when watching this movie that waterboarding and torture leads to information that leadsden. that's not the case. >> reporter: in december, a group of powerful senators including the chair of the intelligence committee, dianne feinstein wrote the cia requesting documents asking for related information to the cia's cooperation with the movie director. >> i took notes and you compile the research and dramatize it. >> reporter: they told me the same last fall before the film's release and before the senate probe. >> you decided certainly to start in the early years with torture. was that important for you to put in there? >> i think for both of us is to be accurate and it's not an easy subject but it's part of this ten-year long hunt. >> reporter: no movie has been the subject of such congressional scrutiny since the '40s. >> we're standing in the shadow of capitol hill right now. and you have dianne feinstein launching this investigation first to see how you got your information. >> i think she crosses a line when you start investigating the origins of the motion picture. i

brennan was a strong opponent of waterboarding that critics and the government now call torture. let's start with senator hagel if we could. wendell, how strong is this republican opposition? >> shep, really no republicans jumping to hagel's defense right now. many were frustrated with him because he turned against the war in and iraq in and refused to it endorse john mccain in 2008. he stressed independence from the jewish lobby. critics biggest concern is whether he is tough enough on iran. >> secretary panetta, the current secretary of defense said there is a red line there over which we will not allow iran to cross. the president had different times has said the same thing. chuck hagel has said previously that he doesn't believe that we ought to keep all options on the table when it comes to an iranian nuclear threat. >> the white house says hagel has been strongly supportive of israel's security. they say his views are insync with the president. as you alluded hagel apologized for calling a u.s. dip openly aggressively gay 14 years ago. shepard? >> shepard: much less opposit

he pour trays himself as a whistle blower who exposed waterboarding, but prosecutors say he betrayed former colleagues. bruce rydell is a former cia officer now with the brookings institution and a former colleague as well. you have written to the president, bruce, asking him to commute this sentence. it's a 30-month sentence. why? given what i read and what i heard the judge say, the judge said she thought 30 months was not long enough. what the prosecutor neil mcbride said is that he was originally charged with other charges of disclosing names, and the picture of this one cia officer was found in the jail cell of one of the guantanamo suspects. >> hi, andrea. i'm want here to relitigate john's trial. he pled guilty to one instance of giving the name to a cia operative. many of us who signed the letter believe that this should be put in perspective. john is a cia officer who served very bravely for his country for more than a decade overseas. in some of the most dangerous places of the world. he most notably led the team that went in and captured abu zubada in 2002. the first senio

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veteran and he actually exposed the waterboarding program.of the guys who apertured abzabadah. but he's going to prison for 30 months. 30 months is significant jail time. could it be because he actually revealed the torture program in the first place? now remember, it's not president bush that is trying to prosecute him and send him to prison for 30 months. it's president obama. algiaal-jazeera has an interesting report on it. >> the plea deal he'll serve two and a half years. >> did i commit that crime? yes, did i. i didn't have any intent to commit a crime. i didn't have any intent to harm this individual. >> reporter: he's the first cousincurrent c.i.a. officer to be convicted of the event. he was the first to be convicted of water board forture. he believes his conviction is politically motivated. >> cenk: as i look at that case i think, you know, why does he do it? why does president obama the national security ask him to do. maybe he wants to? make he gets off making sure anybody who dares reveal the government is doing is bad that he c