i can't believe that he's standing up for waterboarding!>> so we can't do waterboarding, which is-- it's not the nicest thing, but it's peanuts compared to many alternatives, right? >> larry: peanuts? waterboarding and peanuts don't belong in the same conversation unless you're talking about "a charlie brown guantanamo christmas." then it makes sense. then it makes sense. all right, here to explain himself, please welcome donald trump, everybody. ( cheers and applause ) >> hi, larry. it's great for you to see me again. >> larry: look, i can't believe i have to tell you this, but torture is illegal. there was a huge debate about it, like, 10 years ago. we all kind of decided we weren't going to torture anymore. >> torture is how i win, okay, larold. i tortured all the other candidates in the g.o.p. i picked off those bozos like they were fingernails of some vendor who owed me money at mar-a-lago. >> larry: that's eerily specific. >> that's nothing compared to what i do to the biggest loser, chris christie. i mean, this guy. i tortured him, m

waterboarding. mr. trump wants to bring back waterboarding, and "a hell of a lot more." are you comfortable with bringing back waterboarding? >> pence: i don't think we should ever tell our enemy what our tactics are. >> stahl: but what about that? what about... >> pence: i don't... >> stahl: he's publicly said that... >> trump: i like that answer. >> pence: i don't think we should... i-i think... >> stahl: but are you okay with the idea of waterboarding? >> pence: i think... i think enhanced interrogation saved lives. >> stahl: and you're okay with that? >> pence: what i'm okay with-- what i'm okay with is protecting the american people. what i'm okay with is when people have the intent to come to this country and take american lives, that-that we are... or that-that we are prepared to do what's necessary to gain the information to protect the people of this country. >> trump: but lesley, let's step further. we have an enemy, i.s.i.s. and others, who chop off heads, who drown people in steel cages and we can't do waterboarding. >> stahl: okay, but, but why... >> trump:

one of the things is how so much of the public conversation around torture locus is on the waterboarding technique which is that you know basically strapping someone onto a board of forcing water into their lungs creating the actual experience of drowning, very painful technique. the stress position, sleep deprivation, you put that in the category of torture as well and i guess my question to you is, is there a psychological component to clear physical pain that is described in the stress position and is that what informs your view of torture? >> guest: the psychological component is the only component. the physical nature of torture is just to get you to that psychological point. you don't ever have to lay a hand on a person to torture them. we can talk about that in sleep deprivation but in terms of the chair fallujah was an incredibly violent place in which people were brought in who had done horrific things that even i was at times tempted to put someone in the chair and use it but i knew, did seems strange that there was a alarm bell for me so i thought i should try the chair anothe

. -- review kim for his position on waterboarding.nald trump makes them criticism more measured and in the mold of what they want. win, when hents to stumbles after wisconsin is a good example, after the last month which has been roundly criticized as a wasted time when he could have been beefing up his campaign, raising money, he has racism scandal after racism scandal, he called a judge in mexican and said he was biased against him, he got himself tangled up in all sorts of trouble from his unscripted moments, mostly on morning talk shows. i do not think they are mutually exclusive, growing as a candidate is normal when you go from being a reality tv star to the nominee of a party but this idea that everyone is waiting for him to be normal is a fantasy. you about whatk we saw from donald trump in the last 24 hours since the assembled attack, he says we -- istanbul attack, he says we have to fight the way the terrorist fight, be super violent and not be so constrained by the laws we have on the books, is that helping him or hurting h

in guantanamo bay, i understand that the word waterboarding is still classified. there are a lot of issues that the u.s. government and different agencies of the u.s. government admitted to publically. it is part of official investigation that has been released by these agencies and these entties and the united states but still considered classified. how do you explain that? >> guest: it is beyond inappropriate. you have a number of individuals who have testified in congress or written or spoken about things that in one context they are classified and in another context they are not. so there is a chill factor of not writing about this even though is public knowledge and people can google it. and this diminishes legitmacy of of classification. we laugh about it because it seems ridiculous but it make as mockery of what classification should be. classification should be reserved for those things which are truly dangerous truly secret, truly important and there is a category of those things. this happened in a lot of areas not just classification. but the government

are you comfortable with bringing back waterboarding?don't think we should ever tell our enemy what our tactics are. >> but what about that? what about -- he's publicly said that. >> i like that answer. we have an enemy, isis, and others, who chop off heads, who drown people in steel cages, and we can't do waterboarding. >> yeah but -- but why would you use their techniques? >> okay. they're not playing on -- because you know what, those techniques get information. i don't care what anyone says. >> are you agreeing with him? >> i am not -- >> you get information using those techniques. >> what i -- what i -- [ laughter ] >> seth: he won't even let him finish his sentence. i can only imagine how much melania enjoyed watching this. "oh, that's right, mike pence, keep trying to get a word in edgewise. best of luck to you, sir." and, of course, pence is okay with torture. he sat for this entire interview. [ laughter ] even when pence tried to pay trump the most banal compliment possible, trump quibbled. >> he speaks from his heart and -- >>

we can't waterboard.ave disagreements, but i feel we have to aget much, much, tougher and stronger. >>> 38 past the hour. joining us now president of the council of former relations michael haas and retired general michael hayden. good tahave you bao have you ba show, general. >> i have no problem with us getting smarter or tougher. i think you would agree -- >> we've been here before. we're light and late. >> it's remarkable. before and after istanbul we don't have a program defined to get information from terrorists effectively. so, we've got no problem with what he says generally, but talking about waterboarding and even things work. >> he's thrown waterboarding out like it was a secret sauce. once we dot that, everything will be fine. we did it. we used it on three people. it was a long time ago. we still believe it was useful in those instances. our most powerful tool investigating at the sites weren't enhanced techniques, it was our knowledge. now for a third of our detainees in order to get to that

director john brennan said earlier this week, post-9/11 use of waterboarding produced credible and valuableelligence, but brennan said he would not use the practice now, and reena, he said if he was ordered to do so, he would resign. >> ninan: okay, major garrett, thank you. well, the scene is set for the republican national convention, which gavels to order on monday. the quicken loans arena will serve as the base for our convention coverage. julianna goldman is there. >> reporter: as the trump-pence ticket made its debut, construction crews were putting the final touches on the arena where donald trump will officially become the republican presidential nominee. political conventions tend to be choreographed down to the minute. but heading into this event, there are several unknowns. the top concern here, security. this morning, rain kept protests at a minimum, but organizers and law enforcement aren't taking chances. in the last 24 hours, the area around the quicken loans arena has turned into a security fortress. streets are closed and barriers block access. thousands of police and feder

. >> we should go for waterboarding and we should go tougher than waterboarding. >> reporter: c.i.a. director john brennan was asked today what he would do if he got that order? >> as long as i'm director of the c.i.a., we're not going to go down that road again. >> reporter: clinton's v.p. selection process has been markedly less public than trump's, but everyone will be looking for clues tomorrow when she comes to washington to meet with senate democrats, a group that's filled, scott, with potential nominees. >> pelley: nancy cordes in the washington newsroom. nancy, thank you. when the republican convention opens next monday, clinton will be addressing the n.a.a.c.p. convention in cincinnati. but donald trump has declined the invitation of the civil rights group. that's rare. both mitt romney and both presidents bush spoke to the n.a.a.c.p., but reagan declined in 1980. negative views of race relations are at their highest since the 1992 riots that occurred after the acquittal of police officers who beat taxi driver rodney king in los angeles. a cbs news/"new york times" poll out

does the muslim ban disqualify him from talking about waterboarding?und on counterterrorism that disqualifies him from the presidency? james: there are things i disagree with and agree with that he says. i do not take anything is disqualifying. one can say all sorts of things. it is a free country. the first amendment. trying to keep muslims out as muslims was a bad decision. nicolle: he has walked it back and describes it as a ban against people from certain terror regions. james: that could be legal to ban people, to say, from syria for a time. but you run into the first amendment if you ban muslims. nicolle: is there fair case to be made by conservatives that when the president refuses to enforce the red line based on assad using chemical weapons on his own people in syria, is there fair argument that that put into motion a weakening of american credibility, and emboldening of the enemy and russia? is there a conservative case, audible conservative case, that our problems are rooted in that single action? james: there is a conservative, medium, and

are you comfortable with bringing back waterboarding?hink we should ever tell our enemy what our tactics are. >> but what about that? what about -- he has publicly said that. >> i don't think we should -- i think -- >> but are you okay with the idea of water wooding? >> i think enhanced interrogation saved lives. >> you're okay with that. >> what i'm okay with is protecting the american people. >> what i'm okay with is protecting the american people. you can ask anyone that question, and they would say that that's what they're okay with. but what is the plan? what is your moral compass to keep america safe? >> right. >> if we're not getting that from any of the answers so far from mike pence, or quite honestly, from donald trump. >> well, i think part of the reason, one of the steps we are talking about a lot to keep america safe, we have to have a more robust strategy. we have to have a more robust immigration strategy. and we probably need to step up efforts to fight isis around the world. >> but we're still not getting specifics. and

should we bring back waterboarding? >> i think that should be classified.hink the public needs to know about that stuff, how we interrogate these people. once we interrogate them, i don't think we should let them go. they should stay in guantanamo bay forever or they should be killed. once we release them they go back to the battlefield and kill more people. releasing them doesn't help. charles: donald trump saying drones. carl higbie said we need a real radical approach to this. go in raqqa, kill a lot of people, have collateral damage and get the job done once and for all. >> i think i would favor a stronger approach than the obama administration has taken. if you look at international law. the moral culpability is on the enemy combatant that is in the wrong. where people get uncomfortable when he says let's take out the families of terrorists particularly when you have homegrown tear roar. >> i would launch a shock and awe on their commands and control centers, the supply lines, and send the grounds trn >>> good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. attorne

he says waterboarding, bomb isis. these are complex problems, he doesn't have detailed plans, but this is what he's saying. >> and david muir, one of the never trump forces caused some trouble. >> some real tense moments to start the convention. there are still real divisions on full view. the never trump faction, the stop trump faction, they've been in existence since trump started to gain steam. trying to force a roll call vote on the rules, but the ayes prevailed. you heard chants of shame, shame, shame, and trump supporters chanting trump, trump, usa. but there's a real energy inside the room, expecting donald trump, melania trump, and the only question, will his introduction be longer than melania trump's speech? >> and one of the big storylines tonight, jonathan karl, you see the energy on the floor, but those republicans that are not here. the last two nominees, not here. the last two republican presidents, not here. >> you see bob dole, the only surviving previous nominee that is here. no bush, the first repub

[applause] can you imagine -- waterboarding became famous. you know why?hey felt it was just short of torture. you know that, right? i'm not saying it is pleasant. but believe me, it works. how about these guys that say it doesn't work. it works. they asked during one of the debates, they asked ted cruz, and he was very uncomfortable. was that a display of love, speaking of ted cruz? when they booed him off that stage, seriously, the entire texas delegation booed him off that stage. [applause] let me tell you, say what you want. they didn't cover it that way because they are so dishonest, but that's when you knew the party was united. this party is united. right? right? [applause] t really is. other than a few guys -- it was the toughest primary ever fought. number one, we had 17 people. 17! and number two, we had trump. e have to win. remember when i came in and these pundits said, he will never run. he will never run. then they said he will never do good. he is just doing it for fun. he is just having a good time. it is 120 degrees under those crazy ligh

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from the perspective that compromises whcompromise is whos donald trump says, we can go back to waterboardinge haven't seen dianne feinstein's reporting. i do believe they should be chasing. i do believe the agencies, the fbi walk away from this. the agencies need to be held accountable in some way. if this happens again or whatever it is, it should be held accountable. government officials should be held accountable. there were some that closed their eyes and others embraced it and ran with it. torture has infected, and this is a big part of the book, it's infected much more. case after case whether it is just abuse in american circumstances were something that happened at the sites are on the. eight infected the individuals that were tried in federal cou court, and it has infected so much of the court system. it was the poison. there's too much about torture. so now they still don't work. >> host: it goes beyond the efficacy. i don't know from personal experience but now you're talking about a larger part it did for the justice system. it doesn't stop. think about the individuals that have

stronger than waterboarding. we should go much stronger because our country is in trouble." i just want to say that i read , some people say they want to expand the guantanamo prison and torture, that i can't think of a worse proposal for our national security. these schemes would only harm us with our allies and provide at ammunition --provide to our enemies. maybe we can hear it your views on what would happen if we went in that direction? ats, but ing tit for t think it's not really fair to blame the imagination for all the frustrations we have about guantanamo when we see that there were problems and wrong things done in the previous administers as well. i look forward to listening to you and hearing your thoughts. thank you, mr. chairman. engel. mr. now here for the special advisor for guantanamo. he served as the director for transnational threats on the national security council under president clinton. mr. paul lewis is joining us. we are pleased that he is here, special envoy for guantanamo detention at

as donald trump said we can go back to waterboarding when we need it. we don't know how bad the torture policy was because we have not seen diane feinstein's report. i believe the lawyers should be tried. i believe the agencies, as you know, the fbi walked away from this, the agencies that did this need to be held accountable in some way. i don't know if that is -- you know, proactively which is if this happens again or whatever it is but that should be held accountab accountable. government officials should be held accountable. the fact that there were some who close their eyes and others embraced it and ran with the policy. torture has infected much more than we know. it has infected case after case whether it is just abuse, just abuse in american circumstances or something that happened at black sites, at cia black sites abroad, it infected the john walker case, and these are individuals who are tried and you know charged in federal court. and it has infected so much of our court system. it is the poison that was let out that has diminished. and that

same time, trump was delivering his own message on the campaign trail, reiterating his support of waterboarding. >> they can cut your throats, we can't water board? you know, we're playing by different rules. >> reporter: a striking contrast in a tale of two speeches. undeterred, but change unlikely. some political analysts say kahn's speech, while un -- goinged searches spiked during and after kahn's speech, with people looking up how to register to vote. >>> now to a case that implications for the election in another key state, a swing state, north carolina, where today one of the voter id laws was thrown out. a federal judge said the law makes it harder for african-americans to vote. >> reporter: voters in north carolina will not have to show any kind of photo id at the polls, the appeals court striking down. the state legislature explicitly set out to accommodations minorities voters use most often and then to roll back and eliminate them. the restrictions target african-americans with almost surgical precision. using race as a proxy -- >> obviously we're thrilled, we think this is a huge w

. >>> donald trump spoke many favor of waterboarding. he did. got two of my three wives to say yes. >> politico put out a report. they called over 50 prominent republicans. it turns out hardly anybody wants to speak at trump's convention. finally answering the age-old question, which if you destroyed a party and nobody came? >> hillary clinton being joined by senator elizabeth warren. did you see the matching pantsuits? >> hillary and elizabeth warren in matching shocking blue pantsuits, shrieking at the taud yens. >> and to see all of us news pundits focusing on tabloid level minutiae in the way we never do with our male counterpart who is are always wearing the exact matching outfits is equally shocking. >> brazil is one of the highest violent crime rates to this. which led rivaldo, to warn tourists to quote stay in their country of origin because here you'll be running the risk of your life. leading to brazil's newest tourist slogan. brazil, come for the sport, stay cause you're dead. >> this is what people saw as they arrived at the airport

pete: acrimony between the candidates this week and hot-button issues flare up over waterboarding, benghazi, trump anxiety and clinton's emails. terror in turkey, as authorities investigate who was behind the airport attack, lingering concerns back home. >> it would be a surprise to me

pete: acrimony between the candidates this week and hot-button issues flare up over waterboarding, benghazi, trump anxiety and clinton's emails. terror in turkey, as authorities investigate who was behind the airport attack, lingering concerns back home. >> it would be a surprise to me if isil is not trying to hit us both in the region as well as in our homeland. pete: and as the supreme court wraps up with a key ruling on abortion rights -- >> you don't mess with texas women. pete: the term ends with eight sitting justices. the effect on this past session and going forward. covering the week, michael scherer, washington bureau chief for "time" magazine. robert costa, national political reporter for the "washington post." yochi dreazen, managing editor of "foreign policy" and joan biskupic, legal affairs editor for reuters. >> award-winning reporting and analysis. covering history as it happens. from our nation's capital, this is "washington week with gwen fill." corporate funding for "washington week" is provided by -- >> thousands of people came out to today to run the race for retirement

but they asked me the question, what would you think of waterboarding? absolutely fine.ld go much stronger than waterboarding. much stronger because our country is in trouble. end quote. i just want to say that i read that because some people say they want to expand the guantanamo prison and torture. i can't think of a worse proposal for our national security. these schemes would only harm us with our allies, and provide ammunition to our adversaries. maybe we can hear your views on what would happen if we went in that direction. again, i hate doing tit-for-tat but i think it's not a really fair to blame the administration for all the frustrations we have about guantanamo, but when we see there were problems and long things done in previous administration as well. so imi look forward to hearing your thoughts. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. this morning we are please told be joined by special envoy lee woloski, special envoy for guantanamo chose sure at the u.s. department of state. previously mr. wolosky was the director for transnational threats on the national

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. >> rose: turning now to politics here at home, benghazi, waterboarding, hillary clinton's e-mails arek in the news. joining me from aspen, colorado, is politico's mike allen. so what's the hot topic this where you gather all these really interesting people? >> charlie, we're here at the aspens ideas festival. people talk about its as d.c. summer camp but i think of it as a ar reunion for a really interesting college. we knot an amazing turnout for the topic, "why trump?" >> rose: is his campaign growing up? >> his campaign is showing signs of maturing. but republicans worry that it's not fast enough. so, charlie, it's been 59 days since donald trump became the presumptive republican nom no, since he won indian, and in that time, so little has been done. there's so lelgt staff, so little infrastructure in the state, so little has been done to expand the map or develop a message. charlie, this week we saw signs of those things, with paul manafort clearly in charge of the campaign. now the campaign is taking that more seriously. and this probably happened on a lot of your viewers-- all o

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i would bring back waterboarding. >> started with 17 candidates, and tonight, only one remains.trump. this is an abc news special event. >> we will make america great again. >> right now, as the republican gather in cleveland to anoint their nominee. >> we're going to win, win, win. >> we are just minutes away from donald trump taking the stage, speaking to america, rallying the crowd, and introducing his wife, melania. this is the republican national convention. live from cleveland. now reporting, george stephanopoulos.